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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Looking like COVID-19 is going to start to fade in June for the US, and go on hiatus for a few months. Obviously this gives us a break for a while. 72,433 deaths. This chart is the gold standard:

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

    Druff you might want to reconsider than 1,000,000 US death scenario from the other night.
    The US has definitely had over 72,433 Covid deaths already.

    Even taking the official undercounts, I'll take an escrowed bet we have over 72,433 by end of June.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Looking like COVID-19 is going to start to fade in June for the US, and go on hiatus for a few months. Obviously this gives us a break for a while. 72,433 deaths. This chart is the gold standard:

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

    Druff you might want to reconsider than 1,000,000 US death scenario from the other night.
    The 72k thing is absurd. I don't know why any projections are saying that, and I don't know why people are repeating it.

    We are almost up to 64k deaths right now, with over 2k happening per day.

    I didn't predict 1m deaths. I said 300,000, but that 1m wouldn't shock me.

    With that said, there's a lot of talk about "undercounts", but I think the undercounts happened early. Now I think they are overcounting, though probably not by a huge amount.

    For example, near me they classified a guy with a drug overdose as a COVID-19 death because he both overdosed AND tested positive for COVID-19. Dumb. Shit like that shouldn't be counted.

    But I believe the 2k deaths per day right now is roughly accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Looking like COVID-19 is going to start to fade in June for the US, and go on hiatus for a few months. Obviously this gives us a break for a while. 72,433 deaths. This chart is the gold standard:

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

    Druff you might want to reconsider than 1,000,000 US death scenario from the other night.
    The 72k thing is absurd. I don't know why any projections are saying that, and I don't know why people are repeating it.

    We are almost up to 64k deaths right now, with over 2k happening per day.

    I didn't predict 1m deaths. I said 300,000, but that 1m wouldn't shock me.

    With that said, there's a lot of talk about "undercounts", but I think the undercounts happened early. Now I think they are overcounting, though probably not by a huge amount.

    For example, near me they classified a guy with a drug overdose as a COVID-19 death because he both overdosed AND tested positive for COVID-19. Dumb. Shit like that shouldn't be counted.

    But I believe the 2k deaths per day right now is roughly accurate.
    Anyone from PFA dead yet ? Just another classic tine prediction fail

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Looking like COVID-19 is going to start to fade in June for the US, and go on hiatus for a few months. Obviously this gives us a break for a while. 72,433 deaths. This chart is the gold standard:

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

    Druff you might want to reconsider than 1,000,000 US death scenario from the other night.
    The 72k thing is absurd. I don't know why any projections are saying that, and I don't know why people are repeating it.

    We are almost up to 64k deaths right now, with over 2k happening per day.

    I didn't predict 1m deaths. I said 300,000, but that 1m wouldn't shock me.

    With that said, there's a lot of talk about "undercounts", but I think the undercounts happened early. Now I think they are overcounting, though probably not by a huge amount.

    For example, near me they classified a guy with a drug overdose as a COVID-19 death because he both overdosed AND tested positive for COVID-19. Dumb. Shit like that shouldn't be counted.

    But I believe the 2k deaths per day right now is roughly accurate.
    The official death count the last 2 days was under 1,400. It's going lower. Notice you did not see the death count on the MSM today. Wait until the deaths get to under 500 a day at the end of the month, yep, they will start covering the election again.

    Now if you are saying you don't believe the data that is one thing. The Gay community in the 80s didn't believe the HIV data either, they said half the country was going to get AIDS. That did not work out too well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    The 72k thing is absurd. I don't know why any projections are saying that, and I don't know why people are repeating it.

    We are almost up to 64k deaths right now, with over 2k happening per day.

    I didn't predict 1m deaths. I said 300,000, but that 1m wouldn't shock me.

    With that said, there's a lot of talk about "undercounts", but I think the undercounts happened early. Now I think they are overcounting, though probably not by a huge amount.

    For example, near me they classified a guy with a drug overdose as a COVID-19 death because he both overdosed AND tested positive for COVID-19. Dumb. Shit like that shouldn't be counted.

    But I believe the 2k deaths per day right now is roughly accurate.
    Anyone from PFA dead yet ? Just another classic tine prediction fail
    Remember, our user base is not over the age of 70 and by and large healthy. We probably don't have many too many 300 pounders either. Probably not too many type 2 diabetics with asthma either. Let's face facts out of the 65,000 dead, 50,000 were ticking time bombs. But the media will find one 35 year old marathoner who died and that is the story of the night.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    The 72k thing is absurd. I don't know why any projections are saying that, and I don't know why people are repeating it.

    We are almost up to 64k deaths right now, with over 2k happening per day.

    I didn't predict 1m deaths. I said 300,000, but that 1m wouldn't shock me.

    With that said, there's a lot of talk about "undercounts", but I think the undercounts happened early. Now I think they are overcounting, though probably not by a huge amount.

    For example, near me they classified a guy with a drug overdose as a COVID-19 death because he both overdosed AND tested positive for COVID-19. Dumb. Shit like that shouldn't be counted.

    But I believe the 2k deaths per day right now is roughly accurate.
    The official death count the last 2 days was under 1,400. It's going lower. Notice you did not see the death count on the MSM today. Wait until the deaths get to under 500 a day at the end of the month, yep, they will start covering the election again.

    Now if you are saying you don't believe the data that is one thing. The Gay community in the 80s didn't believe the HIV data either, they said half the country was going to get AIDS. That did not work out too well.
    2400 deaths from 5pm-5pm PDT from 4/28-4/29
    2200 deaths from 5pm-5pm PDT from 4/29-4/30

    https://worldometers.info/coronavirus

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    900 workers at a Tyson meat packing plant tested positive.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    There is some seriously funky shit going on. Chalk a nightmare up for the regular flu. Seems almost hard to believe given the rash of amputations I’ve heard about with Covid. Makes me wonder about the tests they had seven weeks ago. I’ve never Heard of anything like this

    Check this out. This poor woman.

    https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news...o-amputations/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    There is some seriously funky shit going on. Chalk a nightmare up for the regular flu. Seems almost hard to believe given the rash of amputations I’ve heard about with Covid. Makes me wonder about the tests they had seven weeks ago. I’ve never Heard of anything like this

    Check this out. This poor woman.

    https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news...o-amputations/
    Yeah that is unbelievably severe for a regular flu for a 39-year-old with no health issues.

    And yes, the COVID-19 test does have a 30% false negative rate. However, if her symptoms weren't COVID-like, it probably really was the flu with some awful secondary infections riding along. Looks like she just ran really bad.

    I think we're reading stories like these because everyone is more sensitive right now to the plight of those suffering from infectious diseases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    900 workers at a Tyson meat packing plant tested positive.
    Some component of this is the immigrant community living conditions but that changes nothing.


    Trump commands them open? Teach the National Guard to debone chicken thighs.

     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...e_iOSApp_Other

    Great article about the situation on cruise ships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...e_iOSApp_Other

    Great article about the situation on cruise ships.
    That is a pretty good article.

    A week ago, Norwegian announced that cruises through June 30 are cancelled, and that they will be sailing on July 1. In reality, they won't be sailing on July 1, just like their previous proclamations of "sailing on May 15" and "sailing on May 31" turned out to be BS.

    I think I'm going to be shorting the cruise line stocks pretty soon. NCL somehow sits at 16 right now, from a semi-recent low of 8, which is baffling. Their future does not look bright at all, nor does any cruise line's right now. I don't see it safe to return to cruise ships for awhile (basically not until there's either a vaccine or highly effective treatment).

    This article does do a good job exposing one huge vulnerability of cruise ships, which was previously not considered:

    Their medical staff is tiny and a joke (that part I already knew), and that ports would refuse to take the ship or its passengers if a dangerous infectious disease broke out (that part I never thought about until COVID-19).

    The problem is that there's no easy fix to this. They can't have a large medical facility onboard, yet if a dangerous infectious disease like COVID-19 breaks out, most passengers will get infected, and some might be in dire shape and can't be treated either onboard (lack of capacity) or on shore. So then the ship just floats somewhere, everyone is told to stay in their tiny rooms, and people die. Bad, bad, bad.

    The labor issues are now getting the spotlight -- basically that cruise staff is paid very little and works long hours -- but that part is actually okay. As the article briefly notes, these jobs are vastly superior to what's available to most people in third world countries. I can tell you from my knowledge of the industry that these jobs are HIGHLY coveted, and the workers onboard are thrilled to have them, despite what looks like a shit job to you and I. I do agree with the article, however, that the cruise line has to also take responsibility for these workers' well being, and they need plans in place for helping them when the unexpected happens.

    The ships floating around endlessly with no port being willing to take them is the part most likely to scare middle-aged people. The elderly -- who make up a large percentage of cruisers -- will of course be scared of dying. I think the cruise industry will need to do some major retooling of pretty much everything before they're allowed to sail -- and it won't happen anytime soon.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    There is some seriously funky shit going on. Chalk a nightmare up for the regular flu. Seems almost hard to believe given the rash of amputations I’ve heard about with Covid. Makes me wonder about the tests they had seven weeks ago. I’ve never Heard of anything like this

    Check this out. This poor woman.

    https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news...o-amputations/
    Yeah that is unbelievably severe for a regular flu for a 39-year-old with no health issues.

    And yes, the COVID-19 test does have a 30% false negative rate. However, if her symptoms weren't COVID-like, it probably really was the flu with some awful secondary infections riding along. Looks like she just ran really bad.

    I think we're reading stories like these because everyone is more sensitive right now to the plight of those suffering from infectious diseases.
    These cases are being caused by disseminated intravascular clotting. DIC. The clotting proteins become overly active by the infection and sepsis. The clotting is followed by excessive bleeding. DIC is deadly. Sorry, this virus is engineered. China got mad at Trump. China is not sharing their low death numbers because it was engineered to not affect them so widely. WWIII IS COMING.
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    My parents booked a three week European cruise this October. I shit you not. They already paid for the flight and the cruise.

    They actually went on a cruise last November, and my dad got pneumonia on it and was laid up for 3 weeks. And they had another cruise booked for this April that got cancelled obviously. They got refunded for the cruise itself but had to eat the plane tickets.


    They just DGAF.

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    Remember we are all in this together.

    Ellen DeGeneres really cares about you broadcasting from her $40 million mansion.

    Okay, actually she doesn't give a fuck but she'll act like she cares and give away cash to health care workers, while stiffing her own employees.

    'Ellen’ Crew Furious Over Poor Communication Regarding Pay, Non-Union Workers During Coronavirus Shutdown (EXCLUSIVE)

    https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/ell...ve-1234582735/

    ‘Ellen’ Crew Furious Over Poor Communication Regarding Pay, Non-Union Workers During Coronavirus Shutdown
    Crew members from Ellen DeGeneres’ long-running daytime talk show are distressed and outraged over their treatment from top producers amid the coronavirus pandemic, numerous insiders affiliated with the series told Variety.

    The core stage crew for “The Ellen DeGeneres Show,” consisting of more than 30 employees, received no written communication about the status of their working hours, pay, or inquiries about their mental and physical health from producers for over a month, said two sources, both of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity. Higher-ups in production would occasionally answer phone calls but reveal little, added one of the sources. The crew was further incensed by the show’s recent hire of an outside, non-union tech company to help DeGeneres tape remotely from her home in California.

    When production executives finally did weigh in, nearly all crew members were told last week to brace for a 60% reduction in pay, even as the show continues to air, according to sources close to the matter.

    Only four core crew members currently work on the remote version of the broadcast, added insiders, who find this treatment to be totally inconsistent with DeGeneres’ daily message to her audiences: “be kind.”

     
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    In fairness, it seems at least in the short term a lot of people are making more money through unemployment and stimulus checks than they would have on their jobs. I actually feel like I am a loser for not figuring out anyway to get some government $$ for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard View Post
    My parents booked a three week European cruise this October. I shit you not. They already paid for the flight and the cruise.

    They actually went on a cruise last November, and my dad got pneumonia on it and was laid up for 3 weeks. And they had another cruise booked for this April that got cancelled obviously. They got refunded for the cruise itself but had to eat the plane tickets.


    They just DGAF.
    Be very nice to them and make sure you’re in the will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard View Post
    My parents booked a three week European cruise this October. I shit you not. They already paid for the flight and the cruise.

    They actually went on a cruise last November, and my dad got pneumonia on it and was laid up for 3 weeks. And they had another cruise booked for this April that got cancelled obviously. They got refunded for the cruise itself but had to eat the plane tickets.


    They just DGAF.
    Have you stopped to consider that your mom is trying to kill your dad?

     
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    I'd say good luck in the freeroll but I'm pretty sure you'll go on a bender to self-sabotage yourself & miss it completely or use it as the excuse of why you didn't cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
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    Yeah that is unbelievably severe for a regular flu for a 39-year-old with no health issues.

    And yes, the COVID-19 test does have a 30% false negative rate. However, if her symptoms weren't COVID-like, it probably really was the flu with some awful secondary infections riding along. Looks like she just ran really bad.

    I think we're reading stories like these because everyone is more sensitive right now to the plight of those suffering from infectious diseases.
    These cases are being caused by disseminated intravascular clotting. DIC. The clotting proteins become overly active by the infection and sepsis. The clotting is followed by excessive bleeding. DIC is deadly. Sorry, this virus is engineered. China got mad at Trump. China is not sharing their low death numbers because it was engineered to not affect them so widely. WWIII IS COMING.

    minor point; most of the nuclear powers have clandestine biowarfare programs and no one ever intends to use them as such. usually the end game is developing vaccines.

    its infinitely more likely that trump would deliberately use a biowarfare agent than china, because trump is a literal half wit and wouldnt know any better. china would never roll those dice. literally ever.


    north korea? coin flip honestly but they wouldnt seed it in wuhan of all places.
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    Thank God for Fox News giving us an uplifting story in this time of a pandemic crisis!

    Elizabeth Hurley 'celebrates' 6 weeks of lockdown in bikini, silk robe: 'Staying relatively sane'
    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ockdown-bikini

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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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