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    a proper 2nd wave is obv possible and for sure the old and vulnerable gonna die of this in the winter same with regular flu

    but still we have come a long way since 1918 so i wouldnt be surprised if the 2nd wave ends up being less severe than when it first hit in april / may
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  2. #10082
    Quote Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS View Post
    a proper 2nd wave is obv possible and for sure the old and vulnerable gonna die of this in the winter same with regular flu

    but still we have come a long way since 1918 so i wouldnt be surprised if the 2nd wave ends up being less severe than when it first hit in april / may
    Deaths are basically nonexistent at this point from Covid in England, right?

    What is the attitude on mask wearing there? Do the majority of people wear them?

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    yup not just england but most of europe there are very few people dying from this here now

    masks are still being worn by most people in supermarkets / shops / public transport and i dont see that changing until winter is out the way and we see where we are then

    pubs and restaurants are basically the same as before apart from you cant stand at the bar lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS View Post
    discussion on herd immunity was interesting, based on what we have seen in europe seems like the mortality rate drastically decreases after the initial wave

    in uk we have had 370k confirmed cases with 41k deaths

    100k of those confirmed cases were the last 3 months with only 2k deaths

    although the virus obviously isnt going away any time soon, considering most people who get infected wont have significant symptoms or a positive test the actual mortality rate must be under 1%

    lets say only 10% of people who get the virus end up with symptoms and get tested then mortality rate could be as low as 0.2%

    no idea if herd immunity could be a factor in the reduced mortality rate but despite increased numbers of confirmed cases as we come out of lockdown very few people are dying in europe of this now
    Estimates for herd immunity have been between 20-90%. It's not really a constant number outside of vaccination strategies. In the wild how people act and how different they are matters a lot. Basically more people are willing to do, the smaller the number to achieve effective herd immunity.

    It's obv contagious enough to find "soft" targets fast and then it naturally starts slowing down. There are huge differences in ppl how susceptible they are and how likely they are to spread it. Most new information supports 20% and almost everyone has written of 90%.

    People have natural working immune responses and cross immunity from other earlier corona strains.

    The loss of antibodies after few months likely doesn't matter at all. As long as this behaves like some other strains of flu, your body still stores the blueprints for producing relevant antibodies. Though there are the other if's on how this behaves, like mutations and how we haven't exactly eradicated flu.

    I think i mentioned elsewhere but the whole world didn't shut down because they knew with 20-20 vision how this was going to play out. Severity of this was in the lower half of possible out comes.

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    Do the 200k dead help with herd immunity?

    Maybe the deaths will help kill off the virus.

    Happy 200k day y'all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Do the 200k dead help with herd immunity?

    Maybe the deaths will help kill off the virus.

    Happy 200k day y'all!
    China must be held accountable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    I think i mentioned elsewhere but the whole world didn't shut down because they knew with 20-20 vision how this was going to play out. Severity of this was in the lower half of possible out comes.
    yeah thats why i find much of the criticism that has been directed at various govt responses to be harsh as was impossible to take the optimal line given the situation

    in hindsight maybe everyone could have done similar to what sweden did, kept the economies open while pushing wearing masks for those at risk and everyone using hand sanitizer as often as possible

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS View Post
    discussion on herd immunity was interesting, based on what we have seen in europe seems like the mortality rate drastically decreases after the initial wave

    in uk we have had 370k confirmed cases with 41k deaths

    100k of those confirmed cases were the last 3 months with only 2k deaths

    although the virus obviously isnt going away any time soon, considering most people who get infected wont have significant symptoms or a positive test the actual mortality rate must be under 1%

    lets say only 10% of people who get the virus end up with symptoms and get tested then mortality rate could be as low as 0.2%

    no idea if herd immunity could be a factor in the reduced mortality rate but despite increased numbers of confirmed cases as we come out of lockdown very few people are dying in europe of this now
    Estimates for herd immunity have been between 20-90%. It's not really a constant number outside of vaccination strategies. In the wild how people act and how different they are matters a lot. Basically more people are willing to do, the smaller the number to achieve effective herd immunity.

    It's obv contagious enough to find "soft" targets fast and then it naturally starts slowing down. There are huge differences in ppl how susceptible they are and how likely they are to spread it. Most new information supports 20% and almost everyone has written of 90%.

    People have natural working immune responses and cross immunity from other earlier corona strains.

    The loss of antibodies after few months likely doesn't matter at all. As long as this behaves like some other strains of flu, your body still stores the blueprints for producing relevant antibodies. Though there are the other if's on how this behaves, like mutations and how we haven't exactly eradicated flu.

    I think i mentioned elsewhere but the whole world didn't shut down because they knew with 20-20 vision how this was going to play out. Severity of this was in the lower half of possible out comes.
    This is a really good point to factor into the equation. I was listening to a podcast recently and the scientist claimed a couple of strains of the common cold was giving people immunity from COVID and she was very adamant on this.

    Another thing to consider, good infection control practices will directly lower the amount of folks needed for the Herd Immunity threshold.
    So wearing that mask and being cautious in confined environments etc might be the best advise regardless.... all comes down to R0.
    Yeah you kinda said that too.

     
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    India's coronavirus cases rose by a record daily increase of 97,894 to a total of 5.12mln
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs


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    The cat is out of the bag in India. It will spread like wildfire there now. Extremely crowded country, with tight social dynamics, and poor health standards.

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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

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    THANKS TRUMP

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JACKDANIELS View Post
    discussion on herd immunity was interesting, based on what we have seen in europe seems like the mortality rate drastically decreases after the initial wave

    in uk we have had 370k confirmed cases with 41k deaths

    100k of those confirmed cases were the last 3 months with only 2k deaths

    although the virus obviously isnt going away any time soon, considering most people who get infected wont have significant symptoms or a positive test the actual mortality rate must be under 1%

    lets say only 10% of people who get the virus end up with symptoms and get tested then mortality rate could be as low as 0.2%

    no idea if herd immunity could be a factor in the reduced mortality rate but despite increased numbers of confirmed cases as we come out of lockdown very few people are dying in europe of this now
    Estimates for herd immunity have been between 20-90%. It's not really a constant number outside of vaccination strategies. In the wild how people act and how different they are matters a lot. Basically more people are willing to do, the smaller the number to achieve effective herd immunity.

    It's obv contagious enough to find "soft" targets fast and then it naturally starts slowing down. There are huge differences in ppl how susceptible they are and how likely they are to spread it. Most new information supports 20% and almost everyone has written of 90%.

    People have natural working immune responses and cross immunity from other earlier corona strains.

    The loss of antibodies after few months likely doesn't matter at all. As long as this behaves like some other strains of flu, your body still stores the blueprints for producing relevant antibodies. Though there are the other if's on how this behaves, like mutations and how we haven't exactly eradicated flu.

    I think i mentioned elsewhere but the whole world didn't shut down because they knew with 20-20 vision how this was going to play out. Severity of this was in the lower half of possible out comes.
    It sounds like you agree mostly with the US right on the matter of COVID, then?

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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs


  15. #10095
    ^^^^^ Entertaining Sonatine. However, this must be fake. Health & Human Services never was an advocate of testing or masks.

    At least not for the US.



    In related news, the Market digesting the Fed’s diagnosis til 2023 of the patient that is the US. Have you scheduled your COVID shot yet?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    ^^^^^ Entertaining Sonatine. However, this must be fake. Health & Human Services never was an advocate of testing or masks.

    At least not for the US.



    In related news, the Market digesting the Fedís diagnosis til 2023 of the patient that is the US. Have you scheduled your COVID shot yet?
    of course it's fake left wing propaganda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    Estimates for herd immunity have been between 20-90%. It's not really a constant number outside of vaccination strategies. In the wild how people act and how different they are matters a lot. Basically more people are willing to do, the smaller the number to achieve effective herd immunity.

    It's obv contagious enough to find "soft" targets fast and then it naturally starts slowing down. There are huge differences in ppl how susceptible they are and how likely they are to spread it. Most new information supports 20% and almost everyone has written of 90%.

    People have natural working immune responses and cross immunity from other earlier corona strains.

    The loss of antibodies after few months likely doesn't matter at all. As long as this behaves like some other strains of flu, your body still stores the blueprints for producing relevant antibodies. Though there are the other if's on how this behaves, like mutations and how we haven't exactly eradicated flu.

    I think i mentioned elsewhere but the whole world didn't shut down because they knew with 20-20 vision how this was going to play out. Severity of this was in the lower half of possible out comes.
    It sounds like you agree mostly with the US right on the matter of COVID, then?
    Depends what you mean by that.

    When you let it spread for months, while keeping your eyes closed hoping it goes away, it wasn't that beneficial to close your economy for 6 months.

    Fairly often with these things half measures are the least useful.

    What i said before doesn't contradict CDC or WHO. Your supreme leader chose to demonize both organizations. You played your America first routine in a global pandemic when most of the world were looking to work together on a shared issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    It sounds like you agree mostly with the US right on the matter of COVID, then?
    Depends what you mean by that.

    When you let it spread for months, while keeping your eyes closed hoping it goes away, it wasn't that beneficial to close your economy for 6 months.

    Fairly often with these things half measures are the least useful.

    What i said before doesn't contradict CDC or WHO. Your supreme leader chose to demonize both organizations. You played your America first routine in a global pandemic when most of the world were looking to work together on a shared issue.

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1217043229427761152

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffCo99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    Depends what you mean by that.

    When you let it spread for months, while keeping your eyes closed hoping it goes away, it wasn't that beneficial to close your economy for 6 months.

    Fairly often with these things half measures are the least useful.

    What i said before doesn't contradict CDC or WHO. Your supreme leader chose to demonize both organizations. You played your America first routine in a global pandemic when most of the world were looking to work together on a shared issue.

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1217043229427761152
    You do know that the same day they consulted representatives from member states saying it's were likely similar to other corona virus strains. And then 3 days later they publicly verified human to human transmission. That was January 17th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    You do know that the same day they consulted representatives from member states saying it's were likely similar to other corona virus strains. And then 3 days later they publicly verified human to human transmission. That was January 17th.
    You do know that there is a multitude of evidence that the Chinese knew it was transmissible from human to human in December and the WHO helped with the coverup, right?

    BTW, look who else is bashing the CDC:

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1306700708826185728

     
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