So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

[gauchojake]

3M has capacity for 410 million masks in the US and 1.1 billion worldwide

Masks are to hospitals as is toilet paper to the sheeple

Both are overreacting, causing massive shortages by overbuying in areas that don’t need the supply.

yeah didn't consider that one...probably need to be able to bypass conventional ordering and somehow have a central contact for 3M and have them dole it out...guessing that's probably not their procedure and doubtful that any gobment agency could figure out how to get the direct contact either...

this is evil empire level fail and would be funny if the consequences weren't so dire...

The manufacturers and distributors have allocations that they give to current customers. So for instance hospital A buys X cases per month of N95 masks. They will get allotted a % of their usual orders. Right now customers are getting between 70-120% allocation depending on the product category. Even if they try to over buy, the systems kill their orders at least with us.

Right now what is happening is that customers are trying to anticipate what is going to go on back order or allocation and making runs on the items. They then go on allocation. It's a fucking giant headache.

Consider too that for facemasks, we aren't just talking about hospitals that need/use them. There are ~ 12,000 home health agencies, ~5000 hospice agencies, 42k case managers, and hundreds of thousands of caregivers and providers who interact with people in a health care setting. They don't need N95 level protection but they need something. We just don't have a lot of it right now.

[WillieMcFML]

Back to work tomorrow.


Hopefully this week is better than last. Everyone is talking about empathy but these people I try talking to are definitely not showing it.

why even go to work when you're KILLING IT trading stonks on robinhood?

[Krypt]

this was two days ago @ newport beach; so much for social distancing, but the wedge had the last laugh.

ABSOLUTE CARNAGE:

[Sidewinder]

HMM always thought you were against welfare and socialism but i gusss not.

This isn't welfare or socialism.

These are emergency measures.

Huge difference.

These checks will literally last forever.

There are a lot - perhaps 10s of millions of people that don't qualify under their 2018 return but absolutely qualify now. The no-end-in-sight economic devastation is immeasurable. The US Economy was 23 trillion. what is it now? 1/10th of that? (for example - no one is going pay their mortgage when they have to drive by a tank to get to the post office)

We will see alo of pissed off 2018 filers when they see never-ending "stimulus checks" to people in better shape than they are because their businesses collapsed upon deletion of all commerce.

But to think these checks, once they start, will ever end, shows a special kind of naivety.

Unemployment right now is probably around 70% - just a guess but there are a lot of small business owners who are shut down. Their employees are going get 2k+ for life and these former business owners will owe landlords and god knows who else because they tried to live the American dream until the Rona Virus came to town.

A staggering # of people won't qualify from their 2018 returns will have to live with many others getting 2k or more checks for life.

Should be interesting to see how this welfare envy plays out, but like all government programs, this one is pretty much forever.

[Sidewinder]

2015. Ounce of prevention......

This guy never once utters the work "mask".

If we had about 10 billion N95 masks in the hands of citizens and hospitals we could still have an economy.

Instead, some bullshit statist organization he swoons over (WHO or CDC or both) said masks don't work and quit hoarding them.

This guy can take his CIA/Deep State infected operating system and his fake warnings about a pandemic and go fuck himself.

[Dan Druff]

This isn't welfare or socialism.

These are emergency measures.

Huge difference.

These checks will literally last forever.

There are a lot - perhaps 10s of millions of people that don't qualify under their 2018 return but absolutely qualify now. The no-end-in-sight economic devastation is immeasurable. The US Economy was 23 trillion. what is it now? 1/10th of that? (for example - no one is going pay their mortgage when they have to drive by a tank to get to the post office)

We will see alo of pissed off 2018 filers when they see never-ending "stimulus checks" to people in better shape than they are because their businesses collapsed upon deletion of all commerce.

But to think these checks, once they start, will ever end, shows a special kind of naivety.

Unemployment right now is probably around 70% - just a guess but there are a lot of small business owners who are shut down. Their employees are going get 2k+ for life and these former business owners will owe landlords and god knows who else because they tried to live the American dream until the Rona Virus came to town.

A staggering # of people won't qualify from their 2018 returns will have to live many others getting 2k or more checks for life.

Should be interesting to see how this welfare envy plays out, but like all government programs, this one is pretty much forever.

Yes, I've been worried this might happen, too.

This is why there has to be a real plan regarding what they do about aid for the unemployed and/or broke.

They can't just fly by the seat of their pants. There has to be a plan for 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, etc. MY fear is that there is no real plan, and they'll just start printing money if this drags longer than expected.

If this does drag on for several months, they can't just keep shipping checks. There needs to be a more targeted plan to keep people afloat, to where only those who need it most receive benefits, and it can't just be handing out cash. Those in the most need must be identified, and then here has to be a plan which helps them, while disincentivizing people from feigning need in order to get benefits.

It's nothing I've thought about on a deep level, nor could I flesh it all out in a single post even if I have. But to keep blindly shipping checks to people for 6 months ain't gonna work, and could devastate the US for decades to come.

[Sidewinder]

These checks will literally last forever.

There are a lot - perhaps 10s of millions of people that don't qualify under their 2018 return but absolutely qualify now. The no-end-in-sight economic devastation is immeasurable. The US Economy was 23 trillion. what is it now? 1/10th of that? (for example - no one is going pay their mortgage when they have to drive by a tank to get to the post office)

We will see alo of pissed off 2018 filers when they see never-ending "stimulus checks" to people in better shape than they are because their businesses collapsed upon deletion of all commerce.

But to think these checks, once they start, will ever end, shows a special kind of naivety.

Unemployment right now is probably around 70% - just a guess but there are a lot of small business owners who are shut down. Their employees are going get 2k+ for life and these former business owners will owe landlords and god knows who else because they tried to live the American dream until the Rona Virus came to town.

A staggering # of people won't qualify from their 2018 returns will have to live many others getting 2k or more checks for life.

Should be interesting to see how this welfare envy plays out, but like all government programs, this one is pretty much forever.

Yes, I've been worried this might happen, too.

This is why there has to be a real plan regarding what they do about aid for the unemployed and/or broke.

They can't just fly by the seat of their pants. There has to be a plan for 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, etc. MY fear is that there is no real plan, and they'll just start printing money if this drags longer than expected.

If this does drag on for several months, they can't just keep shipping checks. There needs to be a more targeted plan to keep people afloat, to where only those who need it most receive benefits, and it can't just be handing out cash. Those in the most need must be identified, and then here has to be a plan which helps them, while disincentivizing people from feigning need in order to get benefits.

It's nothing I've thought about on a deep level, nor could I flesh it all out in a single post even if I have. But to keep blindly shipping checks to people for 6 months ain't gonna work, and could devastate the US for decades to come.

About these checks:

-- An inconvenience fee to ignore the tanks patrolling the streets making sure no commerce takes place under any circumstances.

-- Bribery paid to the law abiding citizens whom are 5 days or so away from stabbing each other on the face with forks.

-- Protection money to the criminals in charge of the rape, pillage and plunder of our homes and women. They didn't file a return in 2018 so there will be programs in place to make sure they do, stat.

What could go wrong.

[Sidewinder]

.

god i want to believe this.

Food is a "surface" isn't it? I don't believe anything these people say. 50% of all COVID-19 cases have stomach issues? I mean... nice graphic and all but I might sit this food-that-someone-else-breathed-on thing out for a minute.

[Sanlmar]

These checks will literally last forever.

There are a lot - perhaps 10s of millions of people that don't qualify under their 2018 return but absolutely qualify now. The no-end-in-sight economic devastation is immeasurable. The US Economy was 23 trillion. what is it now? 1/10th of that? (for example - no one is going pay their mortgage when they have to drive by a tank to get to the post office)

We will see alo of pissed off 2018 filers when they see never-ending "stimulus checks" to people in better shape than they are because their businesses collapsed upon deletion of all commerce.

But to think these checks, once they start, will ever end, shows a special kind of naivety.

Unemployment right now is probably around 70% - just a guess but there are a lot of small business owners who are shut down. Their employees are going get 2k+ for life and these former business owners will owe landlords and god knows who else because they tried to live the American dream until the Rona Virus came to town.

A staggering # of people won't qualify from their 2018 returns will have to live many others getting 2k or more checks for life.

Should be interesting to see how this welfare envy plays out, but like all government programs, this one is pretty much forever.

Yes, I've been worried this might happen, too.

This is why there has to be a real plan regarding what they do about aid for the unemployed and/or broke.

They can't just fly by the seat of their pants. There has to be a plan for 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, etc. MY fear is that there is no real plan, and they'll just start printing money if this drags longer than expected.

If this does drag on for several months, they can't just keep shipping checks. There needs to be a more targeted plan to keep people afloat, to where only those who need it most receive benefits, and it can't just be handing out cash. Those in the most need must be identified, and then here has to be a plan which helps them, while disincentivizing people from feigning need in order to get benefits.

It's nothing I've thought about on a deep level, nor could I flesh it all out in a single post even if I have. But to keep blindly shipping checks to people for 6 months ain't gonna work, and could devastate the US for decades to come.

Checks to the unemployed is the least of your economic problems son.

If businesses can’t write commercial paper and get loans cause the credit market has seized up you can just kiss shit goodbye for a start.

The higher the mountain (bubble) the steeper the cliff

Oil your gun

[v12cl]

This all eases by April 6th, maybe a week later.

Some hot spots will remain, but we can't operate like this forever.

Even the soothsayer seller of worst case scenarios deepstate-atine has shifted his tone.

We will overcome.

[Salty_Aus]

This all eases by April 6th, maybe a week later.

Some hot spots will remain, but we can't operate like this forever.

Even the soothsayer seller of worst case scenarios deepstate-atine has shifted his tone.

We will overcome.

Sorry mate, you're wrong.
By the 6th of April New York will be another Wuhan...probably worse.
Even if you locked down New York like the Chinese did in Hubei it will take ten days to two weeks to stop the spread. If you don't already have 100k active cases in NY I'm a monkeys uncle. (this is a conservative number)

I don't think you're going to stop the new infections, slow it down surely but you're not going to have the same results as China, South Korea, Japan and Singapore. Your country simply can not respond like they did in the short term, maybe in a month or so, but still doubt it will be as efficient.

Also I don't believe you will have a vaccine in the near future. Coronavirus is not a new thing, the common cold is often caused by a coronavirus and how many years have they been trying to come up with a vaccine for the common cold?
SARS was first discovered in 2003 and they've been working on a vaccine for 17 years already without success, but of course the amount of folks scurrying to come up with a vaccine right now would be enormous compared to the research of a SARS vaccine... so I'll hold hope.

Think this will end when we reach HIT (Herd Immunity Level) the percentage of immune individuals will be totally dependent on the virus R0 (basic reproduction number) at minimum this will be 30% of the population if the R0 is 1.4 which is a conservative estimate.

I wish it was just going to disappear but all the science says otherwise.

[Salty_Aus]

not for nothing but hydroxychloroquine might essentially solve this problem. like if the results from the trials prove out, this whole thing could be like damned near a wrap in 3 weeks.

The Chinese have been trialing and using this since February, early trials suggest it does save lives and people recover faster from pneumonia.
Many countries are now using this drug on acute cases in combination with small doses of Chloroquine.
Ribavirin, Teicoplanin and Interferon have also shown encouraging signs. Along with Nitazoxanide and Favipiravir have also shown to reduce viral clearance by over 50%.

Yeah this is encouraging, if the death rate can be mitigated down significantly it becomes nothing worse then a bad influenza season.

Obviously I have too much time on my hands.

[Dan Druff]

not for nothing but hydroxychloroquine might essentially solve this problem. like if the results from the trials prove out, this whole thing could be like damned near a wrap in 3 weeks.

The Chinese have been trialing and using this since February, early trials suggest it does save lives and people recover faster from pneumonia.
Many countries are now using this drug on acute cases in combination with small doses of Chloroquine.
Ribavirin, Teicoplanin and Interferon have also shown encouraging signs. Along with Nitazoxanide and Favipiravir have also shown to reduce viral clearance by over 50%.

Yeah this is encouraging, if the death rate can be mitigated down significantly it becomes nothing worse then a bad influenza season.

Obviously I have too much time on my hands.

It's still worse than the flu because the symptoms are far more severe. So even if the death rate comes down, there's still the matter of people needing hospitalization and being on a respirator for 3 weeks.

Now, if this drug can both prevent death AND make it more like a typical flu, then we really have something big.

[Salty_Aus]

The Chinese have been trialing and using this since February, early trials suggest it does save lives and people recover faster from pneumonia.
Many countries are now using this drug on acute cases in combination with small doses of Chloroquine.
Ribavirin, Teicoplanin and Interferon have also shown encouraging signs. Along with Nitazoxanide and Favipiravir have also shown to reduce viral clearance by over 50%.

Yeah this is encouraging, if the death rate can be mitigated down significantly it becomes nothing worse then a bad influenza season.

Obviously I have too much time on my hands.

It's still worse than the flu because the symptoms are far more severe. So even if the death rate comes down, there's still the matter of people needing hospitalization and being on a respirator for 3 weeks.

Now, if this drug can both prevent death AND make it more like a typical flu, then we really have something big.

Spot on, there will still be acute cases that need intubation. We still need to keep the infection rate down and ensure ICU beds and respirators are available.
Also, those who suffer acute symptoms and recover are showing damage to organs and significant lung damage.
Didn't mean to sound blasé in regard to death rate.

[Dan Druff]

Honestly if I got this and I ended up on a respirator for 3 weeks, it would bring back all the psychological problems I had to such a severe level that it would make September 2018 seem like a Sunday afternoon at the park.

Gotta say that if I do get it, I really hope I'm one of the lucky ones who experiences it as a flu-type thing. The severe symptom possibility is actually freaking me out more than the thought of dying from it, because I think my chance of death is fairly low (though far from impossible), given my age.

If it's just a few weeks of feeling super tired and crappy, that I can handle. Though it would be great if I dodged it entirely.

[splitthis]

There is nothing worse than the feeling of being on a respirator. Stay home and avoid the possibility. You will wish you were dead.

[Salty_Aus]

There is nothing worse than the feeling of being on a respirator. Stay home and avoid the possibility. You will wish you were dead.

I had a really bad motorbike accident nearly 30 years ago, yeah I'm an old fart.
Was in a medically induced coma for two weeks. I remember waking up and I was freaking out as I couldn't breathe.
The alarms went off on the respirator and intensive care nurse quickly told me relax and don't try and breathe, I was fighting the respirator. It's a strange feeling, but the huge dose of morphine made it all quite lovely.
Yeah it was scary, couldn't communicate properly with a tracheostomy. The lung infection was the worst part, they'd put this long tube down my neck and suck shit out.

[Salty_Aus]

I do have too much time on my hands, I've been in isolation for over a week.

Saturday the 14th I got a fever, headache and dry cough all appear in a span of about an hour. I have a doctor who does house calls. He tells me to isolate myself.

I'm positive I don't have the rona. I was quite sick for three days and I've been getting headaches now and then for the last week. But I had a runny nose and the glands on my neck became super swollen.

Still not 100% but can still feel something lingering.

Excuse my ramblings, I'm fucking bored!

[sonatine]

Yes, I've been worried this might happen, too.

This is why there has to be a real plan regarding what they do about aid for the unemployed and/or broke.

They can't just fly by the seat of their pants. There has to be a plan for 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, etc. MY fear is that there is no real plan, and they'll just start printing money if this drags longer than expected.

If this does drag on for several months, they can't just keep shipping checks. There needs to be a more targeted plan to keep people afloat, to where only those who need it most receive benefits, and it can't just be handing out cash. Those in the most need must be identified, and then here has to be a plan which helps them, while disincentivizing people from feigning need in order to get benefits.

It's nothing I've thought about on a deep level, nor could I flesh it all out in a single post even if I have. But to keep blindly shipping checks to people for 6 months ain't gonna work, and could devastate the US for decades to come.

Checks to the unemployed is the least of your economic problems son.

If businesses can’t write commercial paper and get loans cause the credit market has seized up you can just kiss shit goodbye for a start.

The higher the mountain (bubble) the steeper the cliff

Oil your gun

the upside of the 'forgivable small biz loans' narrative is that it retaining employees is +ev here, re-hiring employees that leave the workforce can take years otherwise and thats going to cost much, much more overall. so the bed might be wet but at least its not on fire anymore.

[TheXFactor]

Don't worry due to the storage of ventilators hospitals will only use them on wealthy patients or patients with the appropriate health care plan. ObamaCare will not be accepted.