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    Australian fires

    The devastating Australian fires have been mostly ignored by the US media, probably because Australia is so far away, and because we are being distracted by Iran matters.

    Tony G isn't ignoring it though:


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    This intentionally lit narrative is mostly bullshit. Sure some have been lit by psychos... and children.
    The media is playing this up and ignoring the truth.

    These fires have been escalating for a few months now. Most of these fires became out of control during our burning off/mitigation period late last year due to extremely strong winds for a couple of weeks.

    I personally noticed the fire mitigation that was happening locally. Then we got smashed with extreme wind and before you could say "this is government negligence" there was like 150 fires burning out of control.
    Combined with a lot of fuel as they've not been burning off enough in recent years.

    It's pretty bad though, worst bushfire season I've ever seen.

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    Interesting.

    Same thing has been going on in California in recent years. Between government negligence regarding failing to clear dangerous brush and poorly maintained electrical lines and equipment, we have seen a huge increase in brush fires during the mid September to mid November months.

    It's gotten so commonplace where I live that I shrug off any fire which doesn't seem to be blowing in my direction, even if it's as close as a mile away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Interesting.

    Same thing has been going on in California in recent years. Between government negligence regarding failing to clear dangerous brush and poorly maintained electrical lines and equipment, we have seen a huge increase in brush fires during the mid September to mid November months.

    It's gotten so commonplace where I live that I shrug off any fire which doesn't seem to be blowing in my direction, even if it's as close as a mile away.
    The troubling thing is, we have virtually no proper journalists left in this country.

    All the news we get is from press releases from the emergency services, government, police etc.

     
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    WTF?, so if you are from Trump, you just have to ignore science? Facts?
    You are going w/his 'you need to rake the forests' BS?
    I'm sorry, did we used to clear dangerous brush and have our electrical lines and equipment well maintained, and we just stopped for no reason?
    All the stuff you blame has been here for 50 years, why all of a sudden do we have fire season and rolling black outs?
    I just can't believe anyone from CA doesn't buy that climate change has caused this.


    And once again, there is only one network pushing this BS.
    I'm sure Fox "news" presents it like it is 50/50, but it is 97/3, and you know most of those 3 % were on the Koch brother's payroll.

    Do scientists agree on climate change?

    https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-s...limate-change/

    Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change.

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    Between government negligence regarding failing to clear dangerous brush and poorly maintained electrical lines and equipment, we have seen a huge increase in brush fires during the mid September to mid November months.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    WTF?, so if you are from Trump, you just have to ignore science? Facts?
    You are going w/his 'you need to rake the forests' BS?
    I'm sorry, did we used to clear dangerous brush and have our electrical lines and equipment well maintained, and we just stopped for no reason?
    All the stuff you blame has been here for 50 years, why all of a sudden do we have fire season and rolling black outs?
    I just can't believe anyone from CA doesn't buy that climate change has caused this.


    And once again, there is only one network pushing this BS.
    I'm sure Fox "news" presents it like it is 50/50, but it is 97/3, and you know most of those 3 % were on the Koch brother's payroll.

    Do scientists agree on climate change?

    https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-s...limate-change/

    Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Between government negligence regarding failing to clear dangerous brush and poorly maintained electrical lines and equipment, we have seen a huge increase in brush fires during the mid September to mid November months.
    The electrical thing is easy to explain. The equipment is getting old and is not being maintained well.

    Regarding the climate, I have spent many decades in southern CA. I know what the climate is and was like. It hasn't changed. Not enough to cause a massive difference in fires.

    You can't even blame drought because the 2019 fires followed a winter/spring which saw above average precipitation.

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    It is summer right now in Australia and very hot.

    At the Australian Open in Melbourne, it is usually over 100 degrees this time of year.

    In California, some of the fires are started by lightning, some by arson and some because the power company was negligent, used old equipment and allowed the fires to burn, the wind then makes the fire many times worse.

    Not sure how all these fires got started.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    WTF?, so if you are from Trump, you just have to ignore science? Facts?
    You are going w/his 'you need to rake the forests' BS?
    I'm sorry, did we used to clear dangerous brush and have our electrical lines and equipment well maintained, and we just stopped for no reason?
    All the stuff you blame has been here for 50 years, why all of a sudden do we have fire season and rolling black outs?
    I just can't believe anyone from CA doesn't buy that climate change has caused this.


    And once again, there is only one network pushing this BS.
    I'm sure Fox "news" presents it like it is 50/50, but it is 97/3, and you know most of those 3 % were on the Koch brother's payroll.

    Do scientists agree on climate change?

    https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-s...limate-change/

    Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change.
    The electrical thing is easy to explain. The equipment is getting old and is not being maintained well.

    Regarding the climate, I have spent many decades in southern CA. I know what the climate is and was like. It hasn't changed. Not enough to cause a massive difference in fires.

    You can't even blame drought because the 2019 fires followed a winter/spring which saw above average precipitation.
    Well I live in the Sierras at 6000’ and it’s obvious that the climate is changing. The pine trees aren’t doing that well (due to drought and beetle infestation) and the oak trees are flourishing. That’s a sign the planet is warming up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Regarding the climate, I have spent many decades in southern CA. I know what the climate is and was like. It hasn't changed. Not enough to cause a massive difference in fires.
    Jesus Christ.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
    https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

    The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.


    Technically, a “consensus” is a general agreement of opinion, but the scientific method steers us away from this to an objective framework. In science, facts or observations are explained by a hypothesis (a statement of a possible explanation for some natural phenomenon), which can then be tested and retested until it is refuted (or disproved).

    As scientists gather more observations, they will build off one explanation and add details to complete the picture. Eventually, a group of hypotheses might be integrated and generalized into a scientific theory, a scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.


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    The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

    Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.
    - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1

    Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. This body of data, collected over many years, reveals the signals of a changing climate.

    The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.

    Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.3
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    Regarding the climate, I have spent many decades in southern CA. I know what the climate is and was like. It hasn't changed. Not enough to cause a massive difference in fires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    WTF?, so if you are from Trump, you just have to ignore science? Facts?
    You are going w/his 'you need to rake the forests' BS?
    I'm sorry, did we used to clear dangerous brush and have our electrical lines and equipment well maintained, and we just stopped for no reason?
    All the stuff you blame has been here for 50 years, why all of a sudden do we have fire season and rolling black outs?
    I just can't believe anyone from CA doesn't buy that climate change has caused this.


    And once again, there is only one network pushing this BS.
    I'm sure Fox "news" presents it like it is 50/50, but it is 97/3, and you know most of those 3 % were on the Koch brother's payroll.

    Do scientists agree on climate change?

    https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-s...limate-change/

    Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Between government negligence regarding failing to clear dangerous brush and poorly maintained electrical lines and equipment, we have seen a huge increase in brush fires during the mid September to mid November months.
    In Australia the federal government has been spending less money on fire mitigation and services every year. Also the greenies are very vocal and they're pandered to somewhat in regard to clearing and burning off.

    Global warming is real, but to say the bushfires we've been getting is a result of GW is kinda fanciful IMO.
    We've been having record droughts the last few years. If we had normal rainfall there would be so much more fuel to burn. I'm sure it's effected the situation to some degree though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    WTF?, so if you are from Trump, you just have to ignore science? Facts?
    You are going w/his 'you need to rake the forests' BS?
    I'm sorry, did we used to clear dangerous brush and have our electrical lines and equipment well maintained, and we just stopped for no reason?
    All the stuff you blame has been here for 50 years, why all of a sudden do we have fire season and rolling black outs?
    I just can't believe anyone from CA doesn't buy that climate change has caused this.


    And once again, there is only one network pushing this BS.
    I'm sure Fox "news" presents it like it is 50/50, but it is 97/3, and you know most of those 3 % were on the Koch brother's payroll.

    Do scientists agree on climate change?

    https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-s...limate-change/

    Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change.
    In Australia the federal government has been spending less money on fire mitigation and services every year. Also the greenies are very vocal and they're pandered to somewhat in regard to clearing and burning off.

    Global warming is real, but to say the bushfires we've been getting is a result of GW is kinda fanciful IMO.
    We've been having record droughts the last few years. If we had normal rainfall there would be so much more fuel to burn. I'm sure it's effected the situation to some degree though.
    And where did you get advanced training in climate science in order to refute the predictions of such increasingly long and dangerous droughts for Australia due to global warming per climate scientists for some time now?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews...%3fid=68096029

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The devastating Australian fires have been mostly ignored by the US media, probably because Australia is so far away, and because we are being distracted by Iran matters.
    My wife had a bunch of women over yesterday.

    They were all going on about the Australian fires and how terrible they were. The thing that struck me was their singular discussion about the affected animals. Apparently, there is a social media theme/meme where cute but helpless koalas and kangaroos are shown.

    Not one mention of the affected people. I know when to keep my mouth shut. I don’t wish to be a casualty either

    There was nothing cute in California if I remember correctly.

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