blake are you jewish?

[gimmick]

Let's think about this for a second.

How often in semi-recent world history has a group of oppressed, poor, powerless people rise up to become successful and influential within less than a century? And when that does happen, how often does it occur without government assistance spurring it (aside from some very basic human rights changes)?

The Jews accomplished this in the 20th century. Think of how impressive that was, especially with how much antisemitism there was at the time (far worse than today, overall).

And then, despite their success, the Jews also haven't forgotten what conditions they rose from, and are at the forefront of social equality movements. Again, very admirable.

And while I disagree politically with many Jews who have taken the "social equality" goal way too far to the point of absurdity, I do have to acknowledge that most of their hearts are in the right place. They're just not thinking realistically, and allowing that to shape their politics and social views. But that's a different subject for a different time.

The bottom line is that American Jews are as self-made people, AND they care about those less fortunate than them. It's hard to understand why there would be hatred of these qualities, unless it stems from jealousy or ignorance.

How does this play with the jealousy theory. Antisemitism seems to precede wealth.

Far as i see Jews got lucky on a few occasions. They weren't doing anything different in the last 100 years vs last 1000 years. They didn't change the world, the world around them changed. More precisely the value of new industries vs old blew up. They didn't find new industries because of ingenuity, hard work, family/community oriented thinking, education etc, but because that was the only place to go. For a long time "white" people protected old industries by disallowing Jews to work in them. That was a good bet for "anglo-saxons" for about 500ish years. Then the pace of progress changed.

Mostly just disagree with the term self-made. Not that big on taking credit from things outside your control that tend to have bigger impact on the end result than whatever list of positive attributes that are just as common with those that didn't make it.

[blake]

really, it's not very complicated and it's not a grand conspiracy.

jews tend to get more education than any other ethnic group, and there's a correlation between financial success and education. it would be statistically unusual if jews weren't doing ok, on average.

we shouldn't exaggerate how well they're doing though. most jews are not wealthy. it's not like they average hundreds of thousands of dollars in income more than any other ethnic group. they're only doing slightly better on average.

anecdotal, but i know many jews that have zero education, are union members and full trumpers, who are doing fine, but not exactly CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. i think jews might be over represented in teaching too, at least in the NE, though that might just be my own experience. again, they're doing ok, but not rich.

[OSA]

Gimmick, is it lucky when 70% of your entire world population gets savagely murdered?

Forgot how lucky my people were.

[sonatine]

if you havent rented an apartment in new york city you simply have no excuse for having a negative opinion of jews.

[Cerveza Fria]

Pretty cool how We are on the brink of going to war for the jews.
Yes I only dislike them because they have all the money not because they oppress the palestinians or get us into wars or nearly destroy our entire economy becuse of their greed.

Why would I like these people? Give me a few good reasons why I and other middle class americans should like jews.

Kasha Kinishes, Hamantashen, Matzoh Ball Soup, Rugulach, Gefilte Fish.

There, that's more than a few...that's several.

[Cerveza Fria]

For thousands of years the Jewish people were the "chosen people." They were chosen for the Inquisition, the were chosen by Hitler, and they are chosen by the Muslims to b blamed for all of the wrongs in the world. And lately, they are chosen by the left as the source of all what is wrong in the world. But, if you ask any Jew, they will tell you that they are tired of being the "chosen people", and would hope that the haters will chose someone else.

[gimmick]

Gimmick, is it lucky when 70% of your entire world population gets savagely murdered?

Forgot how lucky my people were.

Wealth wise, probably. Sort of like why Persians in US are a wealthy minority. In tends to bump the average when "weak" get culled. And when it comes to motivating people, genocide is a decent stick and half a carrot.

[blake]

yeah i think we can all agree that if there's one word to describe the jews throughout history, it's lucky.

great points being made here guys.

[Tellafriend]

you're giving no significance go the whole killing their god thing.

I raised this earlier, half-heartedly, but what great irony is to be found in that the most zealot Christians are their biggest supporters? Seems like an oxymoron.

[blake]

you're giving no significance go the whole killing their god thing.

I raised this earlier, half-heartedly, but what great irony is to be found in that the most zealot Christians are their biggest supporters? Seems like an oxymoron.

seemingly but not really. i think evangelicals believe that the messiah's not coming back if israel isn't a jewish state. i have no idea why. that must be somewhere in the bible. so they kind of have a vested interest in keeping israel jewish. i wouldn't exactly say they're fans of jews. i think they also believe that anyone that doesn't accept jesus goes to hell

[gimmick]

yeah i think we can all agree that if there's one word to describe the jews throughout history, it's lucky.

great points being made here guys.

You do know that average income only counts the living?

In case you were wondering, the luck part, when it comes to wealthy Jewish-Americans was that they were enough white adjacent and passable to get the second best opportunities. Traditional banking was closed so they moved to investment banking. Hollywood was open because of how new it was. Established law firms were closed for Jews, so they built their own. They invested and represented other Jews because they didn't really have other options because of antisemitism of the past. And yea genocide is a helluva motivator.

I don't know what you'd call that. Do you have better words than luck?

Anyway none of it really matters. Apparently Nigerian-Americans were/are the wealthiest ethnic group in US now (per capita income) followed by Indian-Americans (behind per capita, top household income). Maga country.

[blake]

yeah i think we can all agree that if there's one word to describe the jews throughout history, it's lucky.

great points being made here guys.

You do know that average income only counts the living?

In case you were wondering, the luck part, when it comes to wealthy Jewish-Americans was that they were enough white adjacent and passable to get the second best opportunities. Traditional banking was closed so they moved to investment banking. Hollywood was open because of how new it was. Established law firms were closed for Jews, so they built their own. They invested and represented other Jews because they didn't really have other options because of antisemitism of the past. And yea genocide is a helluva motivator.

I don't know what you'd call that. Do you have better words than luck?

Anyway none of it really matters. Apparently Nigerian-Americans were/are the wealthiest ethnic group in US now (per capita income) follower by Indian-Americans (behind per capita, top household income. Maga country.

i'd probably argue that jews being denied jobs doesn't sound like luck, but maybe we have different definitions. blacks must be hella lucky.

[blake]

gimmick, related to your other point, it doesn't surprise me about nigerians. a lot of my family works in upscale suburban schools. you know who the best students are? the african kids (not african-american). it must take a lot to overcome getting out of a third world nation and making it here. those kids are always the hardest working, get the best grades, best athletes, etc. etc.

also, so true re indian. the jews are actually fortunate that they will no longer be the universal hate group target. indians and asians are flooding the US, are super intelligent, get sick grades and get nothing but ultra-high paying jobs.

at some point, the maga folk will start focusing on them, not mexicans

[blake]

also interesting sidenote, jews are actually breeding themselves out of existence. over 50% in the US now marry non-jews. basically doing hitler's work for him.

[gimmick]

gimmick, related to your other point, it doesn't surprise me about nigerians. a lot of my family works in upscale suburban schools. you know who the best students are? the african kids (not african-american). it must take a lot to overcome getting out of a third world nation and making it here. those kids are always the hardest working, get the best grades, best athletes, etc. etc.

also, so true re indian. the jews are actually fortunate that they will no longer be the universal hate group target. indians and asians are flooding the US, are super intelligent, get sick grades and get nothing but ultra-high paying jobs.

at some point, the maga folk will start focusing on them, not mexicans

Nigerian-Americans are kinda cherry picked 2-300k from a population of 190 million. I believe brain drain is the term. Either bright or rich enough to land to US. Nigeria supported education, sending kids overseas and being enough of a volatile shithole at the same time. Most people that made it in the US never came back. That made the wealthy part from 60s onward.

There was slaves from the 17th and 18th century but they are mostly washed from the statistics. Either mixed heritage or non existing paperwork.

Oh and i would also call all of that luck.

[gimmick]

You do know that average income only counts the living?

In case you were wondering, the luck part, when it comes to wealthy Jewish-Americans was that they were enough white adjacent and passable to get the second best opportunities. Traditional banking was closed so they moved to investment banking. Hollywood was open because of how new it was. Established law firms were closed for Jews, so they built their own. They invested and represented other Jews because they didn't really have other options because of antisemitism of the past. And yea genocide is a helluva motivator.

I don't know what you'd call that. Do you have better words than luck?

Anyway none of it really matters. Apparently Nigerian-Americans were/are the wealthiest ethnic group in US now (per capita income) follower by Indian-Americans (behind per capita, top household income. Maga country.

i'd probably argue that jews being denied jobs doesn't sound like luck, but maybe we have different definitions. blacks must be hella lucky.

Like i said passable. Good enough for second best options. Those second best options just turned out to be worth a lot more in the future.

Blacks got crack. Natives got Casinos. Neither was passable enough. Might not matter in the next 50 years, but it did matter 50 years ago.

[devidee]

Wow. After reading this thread I have completely changed my opinion on the Jews. What a genuine, non-parasitic group of very fine people. It’s tragic what has happened (allegedly) to them throughout history.


If only there was a nation specifically created for the Jews.

[MumblesBadly]

gimmick, related to your other point, it doesn't surprise me about nigerians. a lot of my family works in upscale suburban schools. you know who the best students are? the african kids (not african-american). it must take a lot to overcome getting out of a third world nation and making it here. those kids are always the hardest working, get the best grades, best athletes, etc. etc.

also, so true re indian. the jews are actually fortunate that they will no longer be the universal hate group target. indians and asians are flooding the US, are super intelligent, get sick grades and get nothing but ultra-high paying jobs.

at some point, the maga folk will start focusing on them, not mexicans

“[A]t some point” is likely to be a long time off in the future, if at all, given just how many Mexicans have immigrated to the US over the past 50 years.

(Skip to 1:59 in the following vid for when immigration from Mexico started to explode.)



Also, most of those non-Asians and Indians are taking jobs most MAGA drones aren’t remotely qualified for, nor likely to get the necessary education or training for anytime in even the remote future. #WelcomeToIdiocracy

[devidee]

Who runs Hollywood?

Which way does Hollywood lean politically?

[blake]

Wow. After reading this thread I have completely changed my opinion on the Jews. What a genuine, non-parasitic group of very fine people. It’s tragic what has happened (allegedly) to them throughout history.


If only there was a nation specifically created for the Jews.

there is, it's called the US. or do you think it's just a jooincedence that jews are doing so well here.