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    Daniel Negreanu was just named WSOP Player of the Year, but many feel the award needs major reform

    Negreanu is once again Player of the Year, and thanks to a good WSOP in Las Vegas, he finished with about a million bucks profit, despite losing overall elsewhere around the world at WSOP events.

    However, the current system is a joke. Among the problems:

    1) Too much credit for min-cashing
    2) Winning requires the ability to travel the world and constantly play far-flung events
    3) You can win the award even if you have a losing year at the WSOP!

    Here are my ideas to fix it:

    1) Give the most points for either final tabling a small-field event or running very deep in a big field event.

    2) Min cashes should give relatively few points.

    3) After you get past 100 points, they should deduct points for every bricked buyin (including rebuys).

    4) Once you've reached 100 points, for display purposes, you will always be shown having 100 points minimum, but in reality, you will need to keep earning points back to get past 100 if you would have otherwise fallen below 100 due to losing events. (This will be done not to embarrass recreational players, as well as allowing people to have SOME points if they cashed a few events, yet aren't competing for POY.)

    5) Regardless of number of points earned, you are disqualified if you have lost money overall in WSOP events during the current POY season.

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    Why are players like Daniel Negreanu and Phil Hellmuth entering as many WSOP events as they can?

    To prove who's the best player?

    Nope.

    To pad their resumes so they can get more sponsorship and endorsements.

    Phil Hellmuth desperately want a 16th WSOP bracelet so he can show on his resume that he is "the greatest poker player in history". Phil makes $100K+ for hosting a private poker tourney. He made $30 million just from Ultimate Bet.

    When you hear about "the best" or "the greatest" players in poker, you have to ask yourself, what are they selling?


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    Buying WSOP POY titles not only degrades the brand to the recreational players, but denies them any shot at the title when pros with deep pockets can simply buy it.

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    The biggest joke is that DN was 3rd in the POY standings after WSOP in Vegas (behind Deeb and Campbell). So he had to go to Rozvadov to earn enough points to take the Player of the Year title while also...

     
    losing $200,000


    I actually like Druff's idea of subtracting POY points for bricking tournaments. Of course, WSOP will never go for it because they don't want to draw any attention to the fact that the big name players aren't always winning much once you factor in all their buy-ins. Even if they don't subtract points until after a certain number of initial points (say 100 points in Druff's suggestion), you'll have some situations where a player makes a big score in a bracelet event but they currently only have the minimum 100 points because they bricked a bunch of tournaments after which isn't a great look for the WSOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha1243 View Post
    Buying WSOP POY titles not only degrades the brand to the recreational players, but denies them any shot at the title when pros with deep pockets can simply buy it.
    talking outta my ass on the first half of this (but might be right), but know for a fact (as im sure everybody else who has read one of my posts) on the second part..

    first: think the binions actually gave a shit about the implied prestige of the bracelet...
    second: the evil empire would hand out 1,000 of these shit bracelets a year if it meant more rake for them...

    as long as the evil empire has its claws in this more events around the world will keep being added so they can rake more monies...I would be absolutely stunned if they stopped offering re-entry tournaments outside of the few select ones that they don't...

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    Not many people can play every tourney available, rebuy like Negreanu was able too as poker stars pros. I doubt he will play as many tourneys from his own pocket. Am I wrong in this?

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    Daniel Negreanu can raise any amount he wants to play poker through Twitter.

    Daniel could also put together millions to help launch a new online poker website after his non-compete contract expires.



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    The title is meaningless. Itís just a marketing tool by Caesars to get people to play as many WSOP events as possible. I would be doing the same thing if it was my business.

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    Whoops


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    Sweet merciful Christ. What a colossal fuck up.

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    Oh shit.

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    It still shows that Daniel Negreanu won the WSOP player of the year on the WSOP website.

    https://www.wsop.com/2019/POY


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    https://fullcontactpoker.com/the-wsop-poy-oopsie/

    Daniel took this news better than I did. Lots of class there I did not expect.

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    Well, I thank the person discovering this for pointing this out on the day of radio.

    It's amazing how often shit like this drops on the day of radio so I can remain topical.

    Anyway, the one who got screwed hard here was Deeb, not Negreanu. Daniel just had to face the disappointment of believing he won for a few days, and then finding out he didn't. That sucks, but it's nowhere as bad as Deeb.

    Deeb was 3rd in chips with 11 left in the final event. He was told that he had to finish 5th in order to win POY, and people were eagerly watching what would happen. It turned out that was wrong. Had Daniel not been awarded the erroneous points, he would have only needed 9th. Deeb would have easily have been able to fold to 9th place and take down the POY title. Instead, he had to play hands in order to make at least 5th place, ran bad, and didn't even manage to get to 9th.

    So Deeb would have very likely been the POY winner if this was calculated properly in the first place.



    On a side note, the actual winner (Robert Campbell) put out this statement after he thought he lost:


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    While Daniel is putting on a good face about this right now, it's understandable because he knows he wasn't the actual winner, and he'd come off as a complete dick if he were to object in any way.

    The angry one is Deeb, and he's already accusing Daniel of "cheating" (presumably of the belief that Daniel knew of the error the entire time, and kept quiet):


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    Seth Palansky is taking fault for this.


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    The best thing about this was Shaun Deeb getting fucked in the end.

    Time for Shaun Deeb to start losing weight, he is fatter than Australian actor Russell Crow and he now makes Jimmy "Gobboboy" Fricke look thin.

    After Shaun Deeb loses the fat, he can start dressing up as a woman again.






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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    The best thing about this was Shaun Deeb getting fucked in the end.

    Time for Shaun Deeb to start losing weight, he is fatter than Australian actor Russell Crow and he now makes Jimmy "Gobboboy" Fricke look thin.

    After Shaun Deeb loses the fat, he can start dressing up as a woman again.






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