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    Actually, the only Tweet I embedded in either of the stories I wrote was Verstandig's. The editor at PokerTube, Adnan, decided on his own to put some other Tweets in there to punch up the story. I wish he hadn't done that with that Tweet of Joseph's, and I'll have to talk with him about that.

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    Even if you had embedded those tweets, so what?

    It's not like Postle is of unimpeachable character and this changes his reputation. I feel that all stories about Postle need to be publicized, and then people can evaluate each on their own merits.

    RounderLife (Evert Caldwell) just seems obsessed with discrediting you, because you frequently write articles about Postle. I don't think anyone's buying it. I haven't seen any truly neutral people change their minds about Postle as a result of RounderLife's propaganda.

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    Separate lawsuit against Postle (but not Stones) filed by female poker pro turned wannabe-Youtube-star Marle Cordeiro: https://www.reviewjournal.com/?p=2001008

    Mac Verstandig also representing her.

    Marle was in a notable hand against Postle at 6:14 in this video:



    She had QT, Postle had QJ, flop was J98 two diamonds. Postle check-folded the turn, in what was a highly unlikely move unless he could see he was crushed.

     
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      Hockey Guy: That was one of those convenient mis-reads I'm sure.

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    Update: New motion to dismiss filed by Stones.

    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/...miss-37011.htm

    They assert that casinos have no "duty of care" toward gamblers.

    A duty of care is the legal responsibility of a person or organization to behave in a way which can reasonably be foreseen to cause harm to others.

    "Duty of care" actually came up when my car was damaged by construction equipment at the Rio in 2009. Even though the damage was not directly caused by humans, they had a duty of care for my vehicle while it was in their lot, to the extent of not storing equipment near my vehicle which could fall on it in bad weather. Therefore, I was legally entitled to them paying for my repairs when their own equipment blew into my car.

    In this case, Stones is asserting that casinos do not have any duty of care at all regarding gamblers playing poker against one another. Simply put, they're saying that they are not responsible to monitor the game for cheating.

    In most cases, this is true. If a fellow player at Commerce marks cards and cheats me, I can't successfully sue Commerce upon discovering it. However, the lawsuit here specifically alleges that Stones employees were engaging in the cheating scheme with Postle, and I believe duty of care would not apply here.

    Similarly, if I owned a restaurant and a fellow patron walked up and punched you in the face, I wouldn't be responsible. However, if one of my employees punched you in the face, I could be.

    The attorneys on PFA can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Update: New motion to dismiss filed by Stones.

    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/...miss-37011.htm

    They assert that casinos have no "duty of care" toward gamblers.

    A duty of care is the legal responsibility of a person or organization to behave in a way which can reasonably be foreseen to cause harm to others.

    "Duty of care" actually came up when my car was damaged by construction equipment at the Rio in 2009. Even though the damage was not directly caused by humans, they had a duty of care for my vehicle while it was in their lot, to the extent of not storing equipment near my vehicle which could fall on it in bad weather. Therefore, I was legally entitled to them paying for my repairs when their own equipment blew into my car.

    In this case, Stones is asserting that casinos do not have any duty of care at all regarding gamblers playing poker against one another. Simply put, they're saying that they are not responsible to monitor the game for cheating.

    In most cases, this is true. If a fellow player at Commerce marks cards and cheats me, I can't successfully sue Commerce upon discovering it. However, the lawsuit here specifically alleges that Stones employees were engaging in the cheating scheme with Postle, and I believe duty of care would not apply here.

    Similarly, if I owned a restaurant and a fellow patron walked up and punched you in the face, I wouldn't be responsible. However, if one of my employees punched you in the face, I could be.

    The attorneys on PFA can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
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    he's just one more fucker that will get away with cheating
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    I dated a girl in the Sacramento area briefly a few years ago, thus spending a fair bit of time playing at TV. Played with Lon several times, and always regarded him as a super nice guy and a class act..

    Guess I was wrong. Very disappointed (and surprised) to see him take this position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by go_buccos View Post
    I dated a girl in the Sacramento area briefly a few years ago, thus spending a fair bit of time playing at TV. Played with Lon several times, and always regarded him as a super nice guy and a class act..

    Guess I was wrong. Very disappointed (and surprised) to see him take this position.
    It's not surprising, he is on Stone's pay roll ... lol

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    I was surprised to see that Wikipedia has Lon being 62-63. I figured him to be in his late 60s at least. What I have noticed over the last few years of the WSOP Main Event streaming live is that Lon has been making an increasing amount of mistakes for years. I don’t know if anyone else has noticed but it gets worse and worse each year. He reads the board wrong, loses track of the action, forgets player’s names etc. He has been doing this enough for me to think he’s really lost more than just his fastball.

    My theory is he clearly has relationship(s) with people high up at Stones. Those people have probably told Lon everything is fine & if he wouldn’t mind talking up (shilling) for the joint to please do so. Lon has (maybe had after today) a reputation as a really nice guy in the community. I think he’s sort of been unwittingly sent out to try and spin what we know can’t be spun.

    Circling back to his mental state I hope I’m not coming off ageist here. What I’ve noticed is as people get to a certain point their ability or even desire to think critically or re-evaluate their loyalties becomes basically non-existent. If I had to guess this is what happened to Lon. He didn’t watch Joey’s streams, he is totally out of touch with the community on this and these people connected to Stones have taken advantage of that fact. If I’m right shame on those fuckers that put him up to it.

    Or maybe Lon is a paid shill & has really been Keyser Soze this whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by go_buccos View Post
    I dated a girl in the Sacramento area briefly a few years ago, thus spending a fair bit of time playing at TV. Played with Lon several times, and always regarded him as a super nice guy and a class act..

    Guess I was wrong. Very disappointed (and surprised) to see him take this position.
    It's not surprising, he is on Stone's pay roll ... lol
    Correct:

    https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...-lon-mceachern

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    I was surprised to see that Wikipedia has Lon being 62-63. I figured him to be in his late 60s at least. What I have noticed over the last few years of the WSOP Main Event streaming live is that Lon has been making an increasing amount of mistakes for years. I donít know if anyone else has noticed but it gets worse and worse each year. He reads the board wrong, loses track of the action, forgets playerís names etc. He has been doing this enough for me to think heís really lost more than just his fastball.

    My theory is he clearly has relationship(s) with people high up at Stones. Those people have probably told Lon everything is fine & if he wouldnít mind talking up (shilling) for the joint to please do so. Lon has (maybe had after today) a reputation as a really nice guy in the community. I think heís sort of been unwittingly sent out to try and spin what we know canít be spun.

    Circling back to his mental state I hope Iím not coming off ageist here. What Iíve noticed is as people get to a certain point their ability or even desire to think critically or re-evaluate their loyalties becomes basically non-existent. If I had to guess this is what happened to Lon. He didnít watch Joeyís streams, he is totally out of touch with the community on this and these people connected to Stones have taken advantage of that fact. If Iím right shame on those fuckers that put him up to it.

    Or maybe Lon is a paid shill & has really been Keyser Soze this whole time.
    No, he's literally a paid shill ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post

    It's not surprising, he is on Stone's pay roll ... lol
    Correct:

    https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...-lon-mceachern
    Makes more sense now.

    Still would be nice if SOMEONE affiliated with Stones would have the balls to say "hey, we fucked up. We'll fix it going forward."

    I guess given the legal corner they've backed themselves into now, that really can't happen.

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    So Lon is done having anything to do with hole card commentary.

    Kind of sad but I guess he was done anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottomset_69 View Post
    Johnny Manziel will be the 1st pick in the draft. I truly believe not only will Johnny Manziel be rookie of the year, quite possibly he will be MVP as his style will shock defensive coordinators. Manziel may only be 6 feet tall, but he has size 15 feet. And he has HUGE hands. I know some NFL scouts so I know what I am talking about.



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    Mac Verstandig is now making most (but not all) documents related to the case available on his website: https://mbvesq.com/e-d-cal-litigation

    The most recent documents posted were from April 28.

    DE 054 is a motion for sanctions against Postle for having an attorney "ghostwrite" his response. I never thought this was any kind of violation under California law, but Mac claims it is. Guess we will see.

    DE 055 is their opposition to Postle's motion to dismiss the case. I am guessing that this opposition will be successful, and the motion to dismiss will be denied.

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    Postle must have some serious cabin fever by now. He was basically self-isolating many months before he legally had to under California law. Still all and all the pandemic is kind of a lucky break for him as more time passes naturally interest in the case fades a bit which is part of what he is hoping for I’m sure.

    I am curious if he filed for unemployment benefits as a poker player using partly the money he won at Stones on his 2019 tax return. If approved he would be getting the maximum under California law plus the federal $600 week on top of that. I wouldn’t put it past a guy like him whose money faucet was turned off a while ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    Postle must have some serious cabin fever by now. He was basically self-isolating many months before he legally had to under California law. Still all and all the pandemic is kind of a lucky break for him as more time passes naturally interest in the case fades a bit which is part of what he is hoping for Iím sure.

    I am curious if he filed for unemployment benefits as a poker player using partly the money he won at Stones on his 2019 tax return. If approved he would be getting the maximum under California law plus the federal $600 week on top of that. I wouldnít put it past a guy like him whose money faucet was turned off a while ago.
    I don't know about unemployment, but I would bet a $100 against a doughnut that he did it for the EIDL and PPP grants.

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    Good thread on the case that had a legal conference call/oral arguments regarding the Motions to Dismiss by Mike Postle, Stones & Justin Kuraitis.:

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1262481161156202496

     
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    Do we know who this is? Justin the floor guy is a named plaintiff so it must be someone else, right?

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