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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    At the moment, almost everyone is on the side of "Postle cheated". That's why he's claiming to be so angry. Basically he's saying that he didn't do it, that Veronica set him up to gain status in the poker community, and that his rep has been forever ruined in poker.

    The problem -- and I've pointed it out many times -- is that unlike Robbi Jade Lew, we have many hundreds of hours of footage of his 18 months worth of play on stream. Judging Robbi's situation on one hand was impossible. But I haven't seen one example of a stream where Postle was making unbelievable soul reads, but then made a big mistake for a lot of money on the turn or river.

    Any stream where he made amazing plays, he seemed to be right 100% of the time if the pot was big.

    I've asked him to show me counter-examples which disprove the above statement, and he's never been able to provide any.
    I guess it's telling that he hasn't been able to replicate those soul-destroying reads since then, eh?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canuckian View Post
    There are more twists and turns to this story than the early seasons of Game of Thrones!

    With that said, what's the general consensus of the viewers? Did Postle cheat with crotch-theory-optimal or was it all just vicious slander?
    Something that is interesting, is - if you listen to Postle's interview with Mike Matusow, way back around the time all the allegations happened, (only one of 2 public interviews he's ever done, including this recent one on Twitter Spaces, to my knowledge), you will hear Mike actually leaning into the narrative that he is this poker god, citing a lot of winning on online sites, can't remember the exact details. But my point is that he was actually claiming to be a great poker player. Contrast that with this most recent thing he did, where he rambled for about 2 hours but I didn't hear him mention anything like this, not even once. It's as if he has just given up on that angle, which was never logical to begin with. Being a guy with financial troubles (which were revealed a while back), you would THINK he would be crushing all kinds of small to mid stakes games, if he really had that kind of poker skill. But even back when he was crushing on Stones Live, he apparently would never play in any unstreamed games and the second the stream ended, he would usually leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philosopher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Canuckian View Post
    There are more twists and turns to this story than the early seasons of Game of Thrones!

    With that said, what's the general consensus of the viewers? Did Postle cheat with crotch-theory-optimal or was it all just vicious slander?
    Something that is interesting, is - if you listen to Postle's interview with Mike Matusow, way back around the time all the allegations happened, (only one of 2 public interviews he's ever done, including this recent one on Twitter Spaces, to my knowledge), you will hear Mike actually leaning into the narrative that he is this poker god, citing a lot of winning on online sites, can't remember the exact details. But my point is that he was actually claiming to be a great poker player. Contrast that with this most recent thing he did, where he rambled for about 2 hours but I didn't hear him mention anything like this, not even once. It's as if he has just given up on that angle, which was never logical to begin with. Being a guy with financial troubles (which were revealed a while back), you would THINK he would be crushing all kinds of small to mid stakes games, if he really had that kind of poker skill. But even back when he was crushing on Stones Live, he apparently would never play in any unstreamed games and the second the stream ended, he would usually leave.

    have you read mike's book? it explains a lot.

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    Someone can correct me if he has since…but I remember when it first happened I noticed Postle never actually categorically denied he cheated. He actually repsonded to my tweet asking him why he hasn’t and he said “Well, I thought that was obvious”. But again , did not flat out deny any cheating took place. The tweets are protected now so I would have to go back. This is very significant and telling in my eyes. Yes, not all innocent people act the same….but not actually going on record denying it….i mean come on.

    Even on these spaces I haven’t heard it. Even the semantics of “I am not a cheater”. I know Druff has the judgment and it’s his right to try to recover that money no matter how unlikely that may be. But the Poker Community should just exile this piece of shit. Giving him any relevancy is just doing him a favor imho. He’s guilty, he’s boring and we need to just shun him imo.

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    It’s all filibustering nonsense. You don’t have to be a great talker to say this is what happened this hand. It’s I won a lot on UB in 2004, the numbers (data)are wrong, things will come to light, Veronica hates me, blah blah blah. You want to blow your brains out listening to this guy talk.

    Even Joey on his podcast with Doug is still having “ongoing” talks with Postle. Guys, come the fuck on. Let’s wrap it up. I respect Eden Rock’s hustle but Hitler himself could call into the space from Hell and request no questions be asked and Eden would be like “Mr. Hitler, the floor is yours…. I muted everyone.” Seriously, what are we doing with this guy? He should be persona non grata. Enough is enough.

     
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    Listened to the segment on PFA Radio and it was beyond frustrating. The guy rambled for like an hour without saying anything of substance.

    His whole defense is obfuscation and misdirection. Like him alluding to this being some sort of vast conspiracy against him is lol. This guy was a nobody playing on a live stream in a card room outside Sacramento, but the whole poker world conspired to ruin his name? For what reason? Or as Todd pointed out, the constant focus on the win rate/figure. That's just something that brings people's attention to it being odd, but then the real crux of the alleged cheating is how the hands are played and he never offers counter evidence.

    Postle kept saying how he can't talk about certain things and seemingly referred to potential legal proceedings being the reason. But why would we believe that anything is going to happen? He already had a failed lawsuit that got dropped, in part because he refused to cooperate or pay his attorneys. He acts like he's been grinding, dissecting the old streams and hands. But let's take his number of 400 hours at face value. Even if you spent only 10 hours a week going through all the footage, that's less than a year's worth of work. So what's he been doing for the other 200 weeks? He's so concerned about this but can't manage to deny or refute any of the claims in four and a half years? Give me a break.

    My two cents: the guy has no actual defense so this is the best you're ever going to get. And that's why I agree with Veronica not doing any sort of sit down with him. He's just going to use that opportunity to grandstand and get back at her, so to speak. There won't be anything productive to come out of it.

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    Here's the radio episode he's talking about above. I play the Postle Spaces appearance and analyze it.

    You can find the entire segment at the 0:21:26 mark, and the Spaces part itself starting at 0:42:50



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    Quote Originally Posted by KidPresentable View Post
    Listened to the segment on PFA Radio and it was beyond frustrating. The guy rambled for like an hour without saying anything of substance.

    His whole defense is obfuscation and misdirection. Like him alluding to this being some sort of vast conspiracy against him is lol. This guy was a nobody playing on a live stream in a card room outside Sacramento, but the whole poker world conspired to ruin his name? For what reason? Or as Todd pointed out, the constant focus on the win rate/figure. That's just something that brings people's attention to it being odd, but then the real crux of the alleged cheating is how the hands are played and he never offers counter evidence.

    Postle kept saying how he can't talk about certain things and seemingly referred to potential legal proceedings being the reason. But why would we believe that anything is going to happen? He already had a failed lawsuit that got dropped, in part because he refused to cooperate or pay his attorneys. He acts like he's been grinding, dissecting the old streams and hands. But let's take his number of 400 hours at face value. Even if you spent only 10 hours a week going through all the footage, that's less than a year's worth of work. So what's he been doing for the other 200 weeks? He's so concerned about this but can't manage to deny or refute any of the claims in four and a half years? Give me a break.

    My two cents: the guy has no actual defense so this is the best you're ever going to get. And that's why I agree with Veronica not doing any sort of sit down with him. He's just going to use that opportunity to grandstand and get back at her, so to speak. There won't be anything productive to come out of it.
    She can do what she wants, obviously. Veronica doesn't owe Postle an interview, but I do think it's reasonable to for the accuser to be confronted on a livestream by the accused.

    From listening to the Postle Spaces appearance, it seems that he is probably going to hit her with questions regarding how long she suspected him, who she discussed it with, and why she continued to bring people like Berkey into the game if she really felt he was cheating.

    These are actually valid questions. Veronica has admitted before that she suspected it for months, and claimed to have gone to Justin Kuraitis (director of the stream), whom she said dismissed her concerns. It's very possible that's what happened, and if that's the case, you can't blame her if everyone was gaslighting her and telling her she was crazy.

    However, at the same time, we never quite got an answer as to why she was bringing friendly parties into a 25/50 game of all things, where Postle was planning to play. It's one thing to lack to clout/influence to get Postle removed or seriously investigated, but it's another to knowingly bring people in to play with him.

    If I had to guess here, Veronica is probably concerned that questions like that will be asked, and it will harm her reputation, even if people walk away believing she was right about Postle cheating. And we all know how much Veronica wants the public's approval. It's why she turned on me when it was briefly popular to be doing so.

    So I think Postle is taking the view of, "What do I have to lose? Maybe I'll change some minds", and Veronica is thinking, "This is a negative freeroll".

    Weird situation all around.

    As of now, however, my opinion of Postle's play remains the same as it was in 2019.

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    I will admit those are good questions and I'm curious about the answers myself.

    But I don't think Veronica needs to be a perfect accuser. Postle is the one accused of cheating and Veronica's word isn't the only reason people believe he cheated. I haven't kept up with her position over the years, but I recall her saying that she wasn't sure and went to others for confirmation when this all first started. Even if she screwed up, the stream archives seem to support the idea that Postle cheated, and he hasn't done a thing to directly refute the conclusions people have drawn from the videos.

    While these things you brought up are interesting and might demonstrate some motive for Veronica to go public with the cheating accusations, it doesn't make her accusations false. And personally I'm more interested in knowing whether or not the guy cheated than knowing if Veronica is a flawed person. I don't see much of a point for Veronica to having this sit down because Postle doesn't appear to have any interest in having a good faith discussion about this or presenting actual evidence. From the few statements he has made, it seems likely he would just try to attack her personally while he provides non-responsive answers to her questions.

    So, I guess we agree on the perspectives of each of the parties and that's why I doubt this would ever happen. Similar deal with his insistence about talking to Berkey without cameras or microphones or whatever. It seems like an empty offer because Berkey would obviously prefer it to be on the record for his podcast.

     
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    REGARDING: those DINGS that keep happening during the Postle interview ...

    ANYONE have a theory about what these are? Is it something to do with the twitter interface that is coming through the phone of one of the guys running the spaces, or is it coming through from Mike's phone?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    Something that is interesting, is - if you listen to Postle's interview with Mike Matusow, way back around the time all the allegations happened, (only one of 2 public interviews he's ever done, including this recent one on Twitter Spaces, to my knowledge), you will hear Mike actually leaning into the narrative that he is this poker god, citing a lot of winning on online sites, can't remember the exact details. But my point is that he was actually claiming to be a great poker player. Contrast that with this most recent thing he did, where he rambled for about 2 hours but I didn't hear him mention anything like this, not even once. It's as if he has just given up on that angle, which was never logical to begin with. Being a guy with financial troubles (which were revealed a while back), you would THINK he would be crushing all kinds of small to mid stakes games, if he really had that kind of poker skill. But even back when he was crushing on Stones Live, he apparently would never play in any unstreamed games and the second the stream ended, he would usually leave.

    have you read mike's book? it explains a lot.

    Postle wrote a book? Where do you find that at? i'm def interested in checking it out. not gonna spend money on it tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    It’s all filibustering nonsense. You don’t have to be a great talker to say this is what happened this hand. It’s I won a lot on UB in 2004, the numbers (data)are wrong, things will come to light, Veronica hates me, blah blah blah. You want to blow your brains out listening to this guy talk.

    Even Joey on his podcast with Doug is still having “ongoing” talks with Postle. Guys, come the fuck on. Let’s wrap it up. I respect Eden Rock’s hustle but Hitler himself could call into the space from Hell and request no questions be asked and Eden would be like “Mr. Hitler, the floor is yours…. I muted everyone.” Seriously, what are we doing with this guy? He should be persona non grata. Enough is enough.
    Well i'm assuming the guys running these spaces are trying to get monetization through their twitter followers. the whole "safe space for Mike" is a total joke. they are 100% in this to make money. My question is what does the guy who runs MGM Poker have to gain from acting like postle is not a cheater? to me, i would not want to play in a casino where the guy running things is acting this friendly and impartial to a piece of shit scumbag cheater.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by philosopher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    It’s all filibustering nonsense. You don’t have to be a great talker to say this is what happened this hand. It’s I won a lot on UB in 2004, the numbers (data)are wrong, things will come to light, Veronica hates me, blah blah blah. You want to blow your brains out listening to this guy talk.

    Even Joey on his podcast with Doug is still having “ongoing” talks with Postle. Guys, come the fuck on. Let’s wrap it up. I respect Eden Rock’s hustle but Hitler himself could call into the space from Hell and request no questions be asked and Eden would be like “Mr. Hitler, the floor is yours…. I muted everyone.” Seriously, what are we doing with this guy? He should be persona non grata. Enough is enough.
    Well i'm assuming the guys running these spaces are trying to get monetization through their twitter followers. the whole "safe space for Mike" is a total joke. they are 100% in this to make money. My question is what does the guy who runs MGM Poker have to gain from acting like postle is not a cheater? to me, i would not want to play in a casino where the guy running things is acting this friendly and impartial to a piece of shit scumbag cheater.
    First off, I just have to say I respect these guys rights to hustle. This is the way they can get their name out and hopefully a few bucks….and I get that. I go back to when spaces were just kind of starting and Will Jaffe was hosting a space and this was when Alan Keating was going off on HCL. Will basically interjects and tries to shutdown Keating saying…“hey I’m on a schedule here”.

    Keating says “what the fuck are you doing? I’m giving you gold here.” But Jaffe knew that the spaces were not going to land him a paycheck. Really from then on …. at least from what I’ve seen, the guys who do already have other platforms or paychecks in the poker industry really stopped hosting spaces. This left room for the lesser known guys who hustle. So…I respect that.

    My issue is they got to say “Hey Mike, this is not a 3 hour monologue we got to ask a few questions and need some answers here”. The first question would be “Mike you’re aware that the footage looks really really bad, correct?” Just something like that. Something simple. Just to give some semblance of push back. Druff did a great job breaking down both Postle & Durr. That’s much appreciated.

    As for Veronica. Of course more details regarding what was going on with her would be interesting. But it will never happen. I can promise you even if Vertucci attempted it 100% it wouldn’t be live and it would completely breakdown after Mike starts at Veronica. She would basically say “What the fuck does this have to do with you cheating?”. I’m very sure it would be a total disaster and never see the light of day.

    This isn’t a “he said/she said”. That’s what Postle wants to frame it as. We are so far down the path from that. Regardless of how things came to light and some mud Postle could sling at Veronica, it would have no bearing on what he did. Would be interesting but it will never ever happen.

    As for Sean McCormack… “The Poker Boss”….Bro wtf are you doing? Does Postle have the goods on this guy? Very very very wierd. They obviously have some history between them. I have no idea how this guy doesn’t tell Postle I can’t fucking touch this. Bizarre to say the least. You would think a guy with a gig like him would avoid this like the fucking plague.

    As for “de-platforming” Postle that’s not really what I meant. I meant personally Druff’s breakdown of this Space is the last I want to hear from him. But Mike could fire up his own space, he could put together YouTube videos explaining “his side of the story”, etc.

    I think he’s a cheat and the poker community should blackball his ass. It’s done in my eyes. What else do we need? He is a cheat for Christ’s sake. If we’re not going to hold the line with him….then who? It’s the mortal sin in Poker. Ali & Jake. They should be gone forever. And at the end of day…honestly it would be better for Postle to just get on with it already.

    Postle would love for the standard to be that he hasn’t been found guilty in a court of law and that’s a basic idea we have in this country that you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. But there are exceptions. And for a number of incredibly self evident reasons….Postle is clearly one of them.

    He’s not getting his kneecaps busted. He’s not going to have to return any of the money he won from the livestream. He’s got two judgments against him because he’s an idiot and decided to file a frivolous lawsuit. Other than that his only punishment is he is no longer part of he poker community. That’s it.

    I would say he’s gotten off absurdly light. If he had an ounce of self awareness he would realize that. But he’s unable to move the fuck on. That’s all he has to do. But he can’t fucking do it.

     
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    The veiled threats to Druff were laughable. Dude clearly doesn't know who he's dealing with.

    And the entire, you reacted wrong to my lawsuit bit is bullshit, too. You sued me. I react how I want (with my counsel). That's what the adversarial court system means, idiot. You think it should have gone to discovery? Screw you- make a valid claim then.

    Scammer.

     
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    SORRY PEOPLE - I am new to forums. I'm trying to figure out this commenting/+1 thing. I succeeded in +1'ing comments that I liked, but I either did not type in a comment, or the comment I typed did not show up. Hence, you see where it says "Comment" by me, and then nothing. I thought I was just up-voting posts that I liked or agreed with. If you are seeing what I'm doing and thinking, "what the hell is this moron doing?" you are right, when it comes to this forum I am a moron and trying to figure out how to use it. This place feels like something from the 90s even tho druff did tell me its from the 2000's.

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    My problem with Postlegate was they kept playing with the AH long after they determined he was cheating.

    They could have set up a sting and made a movie deal out of it.

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    Didn’t have my speaker to listen to music at work today, so I listened on my phone. Never been a big fan of the radio show, but that was a pretty good one. As a litigator, I’ve taken hundreds of depositions. When someone talks in vague generalities, they’re lying. You can take that to the bank. Same goes for Durr, but didn’t get to part 2 of that one.

     
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