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    Did they mean to list FRAUD as cause #2 and #8 on first page? Not sure if that's something normal. Pretty sloppy for page one if not though.

    I don't take issue with the first draft. The complaint will be amended as more information comes to light. I think they just wanted to get this out there and get people served. Watch for the cockroaches to scatter to avoid service. Postle will disappear for awhile. Who knows, maybe permanently. He obviously had accomplices (more than one IMHO), and eventually it will be a race to see who can cut the best deal.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizzmoney View Post
    Another smoking gun hand:

    This is crazy & really damning to Mike.
    Why would he be trying to re-scan his cards?
    Why would he even think he would need to?
    Obviously, we know the answer to those questions.
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    I'd say good luck in the freeroll but I'm pretty sure you'll go on a bender to self-sabotage yourself & miss it completely or use it as the excuse of why you didn't cash.

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    Honestly I'm surprised Verstandig posted this publicly on the day he filed, rather than waiting for the parties to get served, which is common practice. Otherwise they can avoid service.

    Now, I will say that Verstandig already announced there will be a lawsuit, but there's a difference between hearing about a potential one and seeing one was actually filed against you.

    Stones obviously can't avoid service, and perhaps Kuraitis can't either, if he still works there. But Postle can run off, avoid service, and possibly even leave the state, provided he was lying about not being able to leave the state with his kid. (He has full custody, so it's possible he can. Depends what was ordered by the court.)

    I'm going to do a show this week (Thursday or Friday), and we will have attorney Eric Bensamochan on to explain everything.

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    Had mixed opinions about Berkey prior to this whole debacle, but I've thought much more highly of him since watching his attempts to come up with evidence against Postle.

    Here's an interesting video where he shows what might have been Postle's "phone in the crotch" cheating method:



    He didn't even realize at the time that someone on 2+2 had previously posted a pic of Mike's phone having a blue screen, which makes more sense now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Had mixed opinions about Berkey prior to this whole debacle, but I've thought much more highly of him since watching his attempts to come up with evidence against Postle.

    Here's an interesting video where he shows what might have been Postle's "phone in the crotch" cheating method:



    He didn't even realize at the time that someone on 2+2 had previously posted a pic of Mike's phone having a blue screen, which makes more sense now.

    Berkey has always annoyed me as a player coming off a bit of a douchebag with a superiority complex akin but not as bad as a certain player whoís name sounds like A lick Tor el lee. (He doesnít deserve any google mojo). But Berkey has always seemed to be at least an honorable guy and straight player at the table the type who would call out shit if he saw it and would be the kind of a guy if he was a cop would write a ticket to his own grandma if she was speeding 😂.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftpjesus View Post
    Berkey has always annoyed me as a player coming off a bit of a douchebag with a superiority complex akin but not as bad as a certain player who’s name sounds like A lick Tor el lee. (He doesn’t deserve any google mojo). But Berkey has always seemed to be at least an honorable guy and straight player at the table the type who would call out shit if he saw it and would be the kind of a guy if he was a cop would write a ticket to his own grandma if she was speeding ��.
    That was my impression, too.

    I never had any real interactions with the guy, but he seemed arrogant from what I had seen of him on livestreams and social media.

    However, as you said, he's never had a reputation for being dishonest, and he put in a lot of time on this situation in trying to figure out exactly what Postle was doing. Made me think better of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Had mixed opinions about Berkey prior to this whole debacle, but I've thought much more highly of him since watching his attempts to come up with evidence against Postle.

    Here's an interesting video where he shows what might have been Postle's "phone in the crotch" cheating method:



    He didn't even realize at the time that someone on 2+2 had previously posted a pic of Mike's phone having a blue screen, which makes more sense now.

    Don't get me wrong as I think Mike is guilty as fuck. But the blue screen on the phone....if you look at the top of the phone it looks like a white search bar and the blue "could" be his wallpaper and only have a few icons at the bottom of the phone that we can not see. And the image is very poor quality.

    (5 mins later)

    I just now found the slow motion video of this and the top white bar appears to be a light reflection. Check it out here

    https://streamable.com/0a3bw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizzmoney View Post
    lol

    Yeah that's a pretty bad one.

    Good rundown by Doug.

    Notice Postle laughing as he folds, like he's internally laughing at how he made top pair but has to fold, and how versus anyone else, his opponent would have made big money from that card.

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    Haven't listened yet, but Joey Ingram on the Ryen Russillo podcast on the ringer today.

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    Gordman found an interesting thread in /rpoker in which the commenter identified the exact time and session in which Postle started cheating and copied it into the related thread on Flying Stupidity. Itís great stuff but I donít see a copy posted here, so, Iíve copied it here in case folks arenít looking at that thread. Great stuff.

    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...l=1#post864550
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    I found an interesting post made in the past day on r/poker from a guy who basically went through and analyzed all of his sessions in the past couple of years and spliced them in an easy to see and understand video:

    So I am a professional poker player from the SE. I also have some experience in creating content and using things like Sony Vegas.

    So I was engaged by this whole situation early this week, so I, like many, have been watching Postle hands all week.

    I decided to take all of his videos from 2018, from the very beginning in January, till the end which was Dec 17th, 2018, and cut all footage of his hands and place them on a timeline in Sony Vegas.

    I have cut clips from every NLHE session from Jan until July of 2018. I then ran them at 12x-20x speeds which allowed me to simply view hours and hours of nothing but him playing cards throughout.

    I am currently rendering that video timeline for others to see.

    As I was cutting, at the end of July 18th 2018 stream, I noticed for the first time in a cut that Mike did not have his phone on the table. So I stopped. Went back to the beginning of the stream and he had it on the table. Went back to middle and it was on the table. So at 2:01, pretty much dead middle of the stream, Mike sits back and drinks his water, and he puts his phone between his legs. He then scoots toward table and then looks back at the phone to make sure he can see it. You can see in the clip that mike has the phone on the chair in between his legs.

    I go back to the first session cuts, and start running the video at 12x, through every session from Jan 2018 until that moment. Not a single moment in 6 months does Mike's body language change, or his phone move off the table. No hands in his lap, no looking into his lap, no grabbing his head, until 2:01 on July 18th stream.

    I had watched the majority of the streams previous to July 18th and remembered a number of spots Mike called bad on river or bluffed into sets. For example on a K108x9 flop with like 4 hearts mike called off bad with K9 vs a Jack high flush, and bluffed into a set of 2's in another session. In every session before July 18th, if you go through you will find a mistake.

    In those sessions, previous to July 18th at 2:01 you will also find he never cold calls 3 bets with weak holdings, many times folding decent hands to 3 and 4 bets. You will even see that he folds to a 3 bet in the July 18th episode before the 2:01 mark.

    Before I move on, note his playing frequency. He played twice in January on back to back days. Doesn't play again till Feb 12th, then again on the 21st. Doesn't play again until April 19, then another month later on May 23rd, then a month later again in June on the 9th. Before July, he has 7 sessions in 6 months on live stream. Obviously he is playing somewhere else.

    Between July 1 and August 6th, he has 6 sessions in a month vs 7 sessions for the previous 6 months.

    In the previous 7 sessions before July 18th at 2:01, he earned $855 on average per session including his PLO sessions.

    In the 7 sessions following the July 18th session, he averaged $4000 dollars per session for $27, 750 dollars total.

    Going back to sessions.

    If you look at the footage on July 18th after the 2:01 mark you will see one of the first cold call 3 bets with 52 offsuit vs KK. In this hand, Mike makes a blatant look at his phone between his legs after the 3 bettor leads into him. The board had flopped a 2. He looked back and saw KK, and folded.

    In other sessions right after the July 18th 2:01 mark, you will see the same behavior time after time. And this same behavior continues for a year and a half.

    Once you see all of the pre July 18th 2:01 footage sped up at 12x speeds, the cheating becomes so obvious its unbelievable how clear it is.

    The hand analysis of hands pre July 18th and post July 18th 100% back up the physical tell / change he makes to his entire poker game, the increased frequency of playing also confirms a change on July 18th, his winnings back up a change on July 18th after the 2:01 mark. On July 18th at 2:01, you can literally watch GOD be born. His cold calling 3bet frequency increases, his soul reads in general are never the same again.



    With the evidence of the the hand analysis, him telling people who's cards are not reading they need to fix their cards as Joey Ingram streamed tonight, and the other mountain of evidence, the only thing that was missing was when and how.

    Well to prove he cheated, and how he cheated, you first must figure out when he cheated. To figure out when he cheated, you must figure out when he didn't cheat. Mike Postle didn't cheat before July 18th mid way through stream, and you can see in that moment him start his cheat.



    I also believe, though I have not went through it, that if you follow through from that point, that you will see his cheating evolve from having the phone in his lap and arms on the table, to keeping an arm down there. I believe this was to keep the phone active due to it going to silent or locking. He then goes away from his looking straight down, as he does on July 18th, to later his patent turn my head straight down with my hat forward and don't mind me I'm just checking my hole cards. I think you will also see that not too long after the July 18th episode and a few episodes after, Mike moves almost exclusively to the 2 seat for obvious reasons.

    Once I have a video complete, I will share some of these examples I have used here to show mistakes before July 18th and some of the most blatant physical tells he is looking at his phone during the most insane situations after the 18th session.

    I have held out the potential for this man to somehow to have not cheated, but once you see when it starts, it's as clear as day what is going on. He cheated.





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    COPY of a post I made on the other thread using stills from the time lapse vid that show Postle starting to use his phone in his lap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gordman View Post
    I found an interesting post made in the past day on r/poker from a guy who basically went through and analyzed all of his sessions in the past couple of years and spliced them in an easy to see and understand video:
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    This time lapse one is great material, but the juice is at the end. At about 33 minutes and change, Postle plays his last hand before moving his phone to his lap. He loses that hand to a triple barrel river bluff, and even reacts in a home game fashion of displaying humorous upsetness at being so brazenly bluffed, after which his mood changes when he sets up his phone in his lap and gets down to the business of being a superuser. Here are some stills from that part of the video.

    Postleís mood is jovial as he contemplates how to respond to villainís river bet pre-phone-in-lap:

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    Chatting to opponent just before folding:

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    While next hand starts, Postle preps his phone...

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    ... and starts to place it...

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    ...on the seat between his legs.

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    Done!

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    As he slides his chair back towards the table, heís careful to keep his torso away from the table to have clearance to see his phone when he lowers his head to spy it.

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    But before he has a chance to check his phone, someone walking behind him catches his attention, causing him to quickly swivel his head around to see where they are.

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    And as this person moves behind him, Postle then glances to the other side to see if they have passed.

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    Satisfied that the interloper canít see his phone, he drops his head towards his lap...

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    But that simple downward look apparently wasnít giving him a clear enough view of his phone screen, so he cranes his neck to the right to get a better angle at it.

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    Alrighty then! Time to get serious as a superuser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    At higher stakes games, your analysis here makes sense. But at the low stakes in this game, not so much. Especially when your opponent makes the exaggerated check on the flop. When combined with the donk bet on the river, it’s a classic trap tell by lower stake rec player that would not see in almost any higher stake game.
    At low stakes games, you are also more likely to run into idiotic plays which don't make sense.

    Hence, you can't lay down trips on a board like this for a bet that's only a little more than pot.
    I would agree with you here in this case if the opponent with A4 (who was OOP) hadn’t made the exaggerated check on the flop on this *live* game.. Players at higher stakes are likely to be more careful and not telegraph such things, but lower stakes recreational players in *live* games, not so much. OOP Players with long-shot weak hands on the flop in a multiway pot who weren’t the preflop aggressors will tend to tend to try to be invisible, checking as quietly as they can so as to not draw attention to themselves and induce a bet from the pre-flop aggressor they’d prefer to not have to call to see the turn. But one with a hidden strong hand wants to do the opposite, and the exaggerated check is an attempt to falsely advertise complete disinterest in the flop, hoping the players behind will get giggidy with it.

    Again, I’m not talking about what you’d see in a higher stakes game featuring mostly pros, such as ones more frequently featured on Live at the Bike, but in the three-plus years I practically lived at the lower stakes games at Caesars AC, I can’t tell you how many time I got burned by that fake signal before wising up to it.
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    On now to discuss Postle and his Crotch Theory Optimal play.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SDouble View Post
    He's also known as a cheater in table games which has lead to him being banned from one of the biggest casino operators in the country ALONG with being a player caught going north on camera! Total scumbag that shouldn't be allowed in poker room or casino anywhere.

    Just watched most of this vid for the first time and I LOLed at seeing Postle using an exaggerated check in a hand to induce more action from others in the hand he knew he was crushing, when only someone in God-mode would know this.

    At about 25:25, the action after the turn card falls is on Postle, were his pocket Ks are way ahead in the hand against three other opponents, including the flop aggressor, despite the board showing two As on an otherwise dry board. Here, he sits shuffling his chips for a short while, Hollywooding for his audience of suckers.

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    Then, getting ready to exaggeratedly-check-to-feign-weakness, he releases the chips he is shuffling in his right hand and balls it into a loose fist.

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    Then quite suddenly, he raises up his balled hand...

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    ...and quickly brings it back down to knock on the table, signaling a “I’m not happy with this board” check.

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    Sure enough, after the two other flop limpers check, the stone-cold-bluffing flop aggressor fires a second barrel, this time a pot-size bet that was about 4x times his flop bet. Postle then practically snap-calls that huge turn bet with two players still behind to act, but did so rather smoothly, as if to say “Don’t mind me (,suckers). I’m just calling because I’m a donkey.”

    (Sure you are, Mike.)

    P.S. I’m not claiming to discover this example of Postle “most likely”’cheating, that was done by Joey Ingram, and included in this guys vid as an example. I just was amused to see that Postle did the exaggerated-check in a hand after I mentioned above one of his opponents doing it against him in another hand, and discussing how it’s a thing that one can readily see at lower stakes live games.
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    Second but way down the list is the PokerNews Article about WPN basically regressing into Botland and also apparently they arent paying rake out as they agreed..

    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...t=pn-hp-hero-4
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    Video covering the story including Matt Berkey

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