Tipping Question

[OldHoster]

So here is a question for everyone here.

I am listening to this weeks pod cast where Druff is talking about the tipping on cruise ships. I have only been on a public cruise one time and I do not remember this being on there. I would protest the ever living crap out of it.

I can't stand when you goto use a credit card and they have it automatically calculated for 15%-33% for you. I have had this happen when you have a party greater than eight and then they automatically want you to give more than the 18% that is a hard 0 for me. I always tell the server, you can thank your 8 party tip policy for making certain that I am not going to tip more than 18%. Yes, it may piss them off but I don't care. I have had them say well that goes to the back of house, to which I say, that is your problem not mine. The most recent one, I had breakfast at a Denny's near Flagstaff and t was 25% and up for the tip amount. I said you know, I don't have to give any tip. Thank you very much.

I looked at threads on this prior and didn't see anything, but I read about the 82k jackpot and have two things on this. A close friend of mine in Vegas hit an almost 100k jackpot and he was going to tip the dealer the dealer started to bitch about how he was tipping 1k, so he picked up the two purples and put them back in his stack.

Where are places that you won't tip? Mine are, Vegas Valet's that are 20.00, bad service, hotel maids(come on!), fast food if it isn't full service I won't tip.

Also I was recently playing a double deck at GVR, ordered water and ice tea. I was more focused on a four way spit two double on a +8 count for 500/hand started to hand the waitress a green asking for change and she went to run off. I was like hold up there, I asked for change and she got snooty with me, I said fine then nothing. Thank you, won the 3k and another 5k on that shoe colored up and left letting the pit boss know why.

I generally don't like pooled tip's at all.

I know I am going to get flamed but give your honest opinions.

[lol wow]

lol at being such a piece of shit you dont tip 4 bucks on ur 6 dollar dennys food

[Texter]

I took the family out to a place recently and it was an auto tip for 5 guests or more.

Never seen it that low before.

[lol wow]

5 auto grat seems very sus

[lol wow]

i feel like ive never seen it below 6

[Dan Druff]

I'm not understanding the Denny's thing. There was a mandatory 25% tip there? Huh?

Regarding the rest, I detest dealers in pit games who think they're automatically entitled to a percentage of your win, not understanding that you're (probably) playing -EV games and are probably a good deal down even when you win a "big hand".

Funny story about the dealer bitching about getting tipped $1k on some jackpot win, so the guy pulled the tip back. I would have done so, too.

The cruise ship thing is a bit different. On cruises, the employees are low paid and from poor third world countries, for the most part.

However, as the cruise lines have all instituted the "auto tip" for around $14 per day per person, now most people don't tip anymore, figuring they already tipped.

The problem is that this isn't really a tip. The $14 is pocketed by the cruise line, and in fact that's used to allow the cruise to pay them a less-than-maritime-minimum-wage base salary.

Also -- and this is important -- if you opt out of the $14/day auto tip, they do NOT take it out of the paychecks of the employees. It comes out of the pocket of the cruise line. The employees get fixed pay.

However, if you dare mention that to another cruiser (whether onboard or on an online discussion forum) that you are considering opting out of the auto-tip, you get a long speech about how you're screwing the hardworking, low-paid employees.

When you explain that the opting out doesn't actually come out of the pockets of the employees, they either pretend not to understand or tell you that you're wrong.

When you explain that you're taking the money you're opting out and individually tipping employees you're interfacing with, they shriek, "But what about the behind-the-scenes employees you don't interface with? What about them??"

You get these sanctimonious responses because people mostly tip to feel good about themselves, not to actually help. So when you shatter their world by telling them that their $14/day cruise ship "tip" is actually being pocketed by the cruise line, they flip out and find every excuse in the book to assure themselves that they're indeed tipping and can still feel good about themselves.

As much as I like to criticize Europe, they have it right with the tipping culture, which has gotten out of control in the US.

Tipping culture is stupid.

Employees should be paid a proper wage for their position, and then not expected to be receiving tips.

The problem is that it's very hard to bring up this topic without people acting like you're a heartless asshole.

[FRANKRIZZO]

I took the family out to a place recently and it was an auto tip for 5 guests or more.

Never seen it that low before.

Went to Applebeys they had auto tip, very prevalent . They still leave room for a tip after auto tip of 18 percent. You have to watch out for all kinds of shit like buying 7 ounce beer.