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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    Remember the time Druff condemned the guy in VA who killed Heather Heyer, a peaceful protester ran over by a right wing extremist? Or even mentioned Charlottesville in any context? Even a single post? Any condemnation of Alex Fields Jr?

    You don't. Because he didn't. Go search for it if you like.

    But the entire left has to publicly condemn antifa because Andy Ngo got beat up.

    OK.

    Remember when druff stood up for the 5 reporters of the Capital Gazette who were murdered where they worked by a right wing extremist?

    No, me neither.

    We are talking about Antifa in general, and their stated intention to commit acts of violence against its perceived enemies.

    That's a lot different than individual nutjob freaks occasionally killing someone.

    Notice I never asked anyone here to denounce James Hodgkinson (the Congressional Baseball Game shooter who tried to kill Republicans), because that should go without saying. Just like it would be silly to ask someone on the right to condemn the Charlottesville murderer.

    Antifa is a movement, and when the subject comes up, most on the left either avoid the topic or speak in coded defense of them.

    Anything short of, "This group is dangerous, hypocritical, and anti-free-speech" is an affront to the belief of freedom of expression.


    what exactly do you believe freedom of expression is?


    that girl who told her boyfriend to kill himself went to jail over it, where is your noble outrage about her freedom of expression?


    this am radio schtick you try to pawn off as dispassionate logic is transparent and no one is buying it.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkdowndonedied View Post
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    plenty of real life Nazis in Charlottesville but from everything ive learned about how big of a scam politics is the ppl who organized it were not from "the right" so no using it as any sort of argument imo. sorry not buying it that it's a coincidence it happened in the state that was having the next state wide elections just after the republicans won prez, senate, house
    It doesn't matter who organized it. It matters that legitimate right-wingers showed up and committed REAL HARDCORE DEADLY violence. The mental gymnastics you guys go through...

    Ya it matters. Go along with the scripted narrative and u end up invading Iraq

    ...or syria after planted chemical weapons attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by donkdowndonedied View Post

    It doesn't matter who organized it. It matters that legitimate right-wingers showed up and committed REAL HARDCORE DEADLY violence. The mental gymnastics you guys go through...
    Ya it matters. Go along with the scripted narrative and u end up invading Iraq

    ...or syria after planted chemical weapons attacks.
    I don't know anything about who organizsed the Charlottesville thing, but it is not even comparable. I agree 100% about 'the narrative' when it comes to war propaganda pumped out by a government. Like did Iran really attack those ships? I 100% approach those stories with skepticism. So we are likely in agreement on most of that stuff.

    That however is not the same as Charlottesville. No matter who organized it, that was a legitimate rightwing dude who showed up ready to kill people. I mean, I understand there are crazy people all over, I'm not pointing him out as a "modern conservative" or some shit. Guy was obviously mentally sick in a big way. Can we get anything from the antifa that compares? I don't pay that much attention to them, because I honestly don't think they're that relevant. They're only made relevant to those who listen to rightwing news and possibly property owners in the vicinity of their protests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkdowndonedied View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post

    Ya it matters. Go along with the scripted narrative and u end up invading Iraq

    ...or syria after planted chemical weapons attacks.
    I don't know anything about who organizsed the Charlottesville thing, but it is not even comparable. I agree 100% about 'the narrative' when it comes to war propaganda pumped out by a government. Like did Iran really attack those ships? I 100% approach those stories with skepticism. So we are likely in agreement on most of that stuff.

    That however is not the same as Charlottesville. No matter who organized it, that was a legitimate rightwing dude who showed up ready to kill people. I mean, I understand there are crazy people all over, I'm not pointing him out as a "modern conservative" or some shit. Guy was obviously mentally sick in a big way. Can we get anything from the antifa that compares? I don't pay that much attention to them, because I honestly don't think they're that relevant. They're only made relevant to those who listen to rightwing news and possibly property owners in the vicinity of their protests.
    what you say about relevancy is spot on. Antifa should treat Ngo and the other gold digging "journos" with compassion, kindness and the utmost respect when they choose to insert themselves into the middle of antifa ppl. shake their hands, offer unopened h2o bottles, ask how they're doing, talk about the weather in glowing terms. keep it mundane and boring. livestream that and Conflict News Network, foxnews, breitbart and all the rest got nothing. and journos look like the asses they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Most of the left's silence on this -- as well as the silence of LGBT groups -- speaks volumes about how much they really care when a gay minority is attacked. They only care if gay left wing minorities get attacked.
    Remember the time Druff condemned the guy in VA who killed Heather Heyer, a peaceful protester ran over by a right wing extremist? Or even mentioned Charlottesville in any context? Even a single post? Any condemnation of Alex Fields Jr?

    You don't. Because he didn't. Go search for it if you like.

    But the entire left has to publicly condemn antifa because Andy Ngo got beat up.

    OK.

    Remember when druff stood up for the 5 reporters of the Capital Gazette who were murdered where they worked by a right wing extremist?

    No, me neither.
    Maybe Druff should start consuming a steady diet of “lefty” YouTubers in order to get “deprogrammed”.

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    Americans have really destroyed the image of Antifa, haven't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    Americans have really destroyed the image of Antifa, haven't they?

    i lived in the bay area for well over a decade and never heard of antifa until the agitprop campaigns leading up to the 2016 election.

    and believe me im more than well versed in american leftist radical groups. antifa was not even a footnote here until 2016.

     
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    was fps_russia banned?

    Since this question never gets answered I assume its yes. Just curious....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Americans have really destroyed the image of Antifa, haven't they?

    i lived in the bay area for well over a decade and never heard of antifa until the agitprop campaigns leading up to the 2016 election.

    and believe me im more than well versed in american leftist radical groups. antifa was not even a footnote here until 2016.
    Antifa, black block, the usual suspects, whatever you want to call them, it's the same underachieving white asshats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v12cl View Post
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    i lived in the bay area for well over a decade and never heard of antifa until the agitprop campaigns leading up to the 2016 election.

    and believe me im more than well versed in american leftist radical groups. antifa was not even a footnote here until 2016.
    Antifa, black block, the usual suspects, whatever you want to call them, it's the same underachieving white asshats.

    its also the loudest, craziest, most extreme voices in the room drowning out everyone else.

    which we have seen with every single activist group that morphs to extremism, either on its own or the behest of external parties.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Americans have really destroyed the image of Antifa, haven't they?

    i lived in the bay area for well over a decade and never heard of antifa until the agitprop campaigns leading up to the 2016 election.

    and believe me im more than well versed in american leftist radical groups. antifa was not even a footnote here until 2016.
    They weren't really that common in America. You had your own stuff. In Europe the 80s Antifa rose after skinheads were recruited to the right. The 90s Antifa blended to animal rights, straight edge, hc punk, sharps and prolly something else i forgot. Mid 2000 to 2015ish most of them went dormant. Far as i know they've followed the rise of far right very closely, contrary to what Druff was saying.

    Punk scene was the natural source for Antifa and far right foot soldiers. That's where clashes were most common and need to organize came from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
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    i lived in the bay area for well over a decade and never heard of antifa until the agitprop campaigns leading up to the 2016 election.

    and believe me im more than well versed in american leftist radical groups. antifa was not even a footnote here until 2016.
    They weren't really that common in America. You had your own stuff. In Europe the 80s Antifa rose after skinheads were recruited to the right. The 90s Antifa blended to animal rights, straight edge, hc punk, sharps and prolly something else i forgot. Mid 2000 to 2015ish most of them went dormant. Far as i know they've followed the rise of far right very closely, contrary to what Druff was saying.

    Punk scene was the natural source for Antifa and far right foot soldiers. That's where clashes were most common and need to organize came from that.

    antifa, as far as i can tell, are just very angry anarchist/socialist crustpunks.

    which is like 80% of berkeley political dna.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    They weren't really that common in America. You had your own stuff. In Europe the 80s Antifa rose after skinheads were recruited to the right. The 90s Antifa blended to animal rights, straight edge, hc punk, sharps and prolly something else i forgot. Mid 2000 to 2015ish most of them went dormant. Far as i know they've followed the rise of far right very closely, contrary to what Druff was saying.

    Punk scene was the natural source for Antifa and far right foot soldiers. That's where clashes were most common and need to organize came from that.

    antifa, as far as i can tell, are just very angry anarchist/socialist crustpunks.

    which is like 80% of berkeley political dna.
    Whatever name you use to blame, shit is going to happen in the next several years.
    Well respected journalists have talked about another American civil war and that seems
    preposterous but how long can two sides so opposed co-exist? It's scary and freaky
    but when one can't relate to the other shit will happen. I don't wan't to be around when that shit
    hits the fan but it's seems almost inevitable
    Having a Trump at the helm or any other facsimile will bring about a nasty ending

    So forget Trump altogether. Say his successor is some other narrow minded moron but for the opposite side. That won't do. We need a World War or a person with such appeal that both sides can at least get back to basics. And from what I can see it's going to take a world war to unite
    the divided

    I think it's time for Germany to step up
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    They weren't really that common in America. You had your own stuff. In Europe the 80s Antifa rose after skinheads were recruited to the right. The 90s Antifa blended to animal rights, straight edge, hc punk, sharps and prolly something else i forgot. Mid 2000 to 2015ish most of them went dormant. Far as i know they've followed the rise of far right very closely, contrary to what Druff was saying.

    Punk scene was the natural source for Antifa and far right foot soldiers. That's where clashes were most common and need to organize came from that.

    antifa, as far as i can tell, are just very angry anarchist/socialist crustpunks.

    which is like 80% of berkeley political dna.
    That could be the makeup of your current Antifa. Euro variants had history, were more organized and were generally more violent. Might have something to do with 70s left wing terrorist organizations since that was also true then when compared to Americans. Inheriting that legacy or something else that caused the same trend. Back then and now, you also had your own and Russian intelligence agencies influence.

     
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    Hey Gimmick, I'm not on your level and maybe you just don't go there but
    I fear for the American experience, whatever you want to call it.

    Can you see a way clear of this divide without an ugly struggle?
    That's a lot.....sorry

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    I'm sorry I asked a Finn for an opinion.

    lol not happening

    love your kind of but your belt is a bit tight


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Hey Gimmick, I'm not on your level and maybe you just don't go there but
    I fear for the American experience, whatever you want to call it.

    Can you see a way clear of this divide without an ugly struggle?
    That's a lot.....sorry
    Hmmm dunno. I don't know that much how things are now in the US. I follow some news, but being there or even any of the bordering countries would give a perspective i don't have.

    I think their current divide started escalating around the Obama years. Before that i'd guess their closest point to a civil war was during Vietnam war. The cold war gave them something to unify against. The war on drugs and terror created more divides. And the last few years they've started to unify against each other. Way these things pop off usually takes time to brew and then a few small incidents set it off.

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    P.S. Who here is surprised that this “lefty” posted this report on criminally biolent activity by an Antifa man before law-and-order-Republican Druff?

     
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    this thread aged poorly.


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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    this thread aged poorly.


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    Apparently, there’s a video showing Ngo laughing it up with Patriot Prayer while those assholes were planing a violent attack at a bar that lefties hang out at during one of those rallies in Portland, and Ngo never reported that.



    P.S. More detailed coverage by TYT, including some clips of the undercover video.



    Sounds like a rightwing grifter. His credibility is now zero point zero.
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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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