Heroic Americans against facism: Antifa viciously attacks journalist in Portland who had previously chronicled their illegal activities

[gimmick]

The hoax part was that an innocent journalist was attacked unprovoked just because of his exquisite exposes of Antifa violence.

You have no way of knowing that the attackers didn't know more about him. He was from Portland, this happened in Portland and likely the attackers were from Portland. It's kinda likely they knew what he was about. It was them he was vilifying with creative editing and blatant lies.

You apparently don't know the definition of hoax.

And that's exactly why he was attacked -- because he was an unabashed right wing journalist, frequently exposing Antifa.

Had Antifa known about his less-than-stellar associations, this would have come out two months ago when the attacks occurred and Antifa was being vilified for it, rather than now.

And you know what? Even if Ngo associated with scumbag alt-right groups, that's still no reason to attack him in a public setting. Similarly, if right-wingers beat up Antifa sympathisers at a public event, who weren't doing anything other than showing up there, you'd be correct to cry foul (and I'm sure you would be).

It's very simple....

YOU

DON'T

BEAT

PEOPLE

UP

BECAUSE

OF

THEIR

POLITICS

He wasn't beat up because of his politics. He was beat because he was accomplice to violence, fabricated news stories and covered up crimes for the far right.

Just look at the lawsuit that brought this up. Just from that incidents reportage you know what victim Andy is about. When you're at the other end of a lie, you know it's a lie.

You don't get privileges of a journalist when don't uphold to standards of journalism. It's not really rocket science.

More than likely he was kicked from Quillette because what he did has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech doesn't cover making shit up about other people.

[limitles]

You apparently don't know the definition of hoax.

And that's exactly why he was attacked -- because he was an unabashed right wing journalist, frequently exposing Antifa.

Had Antifa known about his less-than-stellar associations, this would have come out two months ago when the attacks occurred and Antifa was being vilified for it, rather than now.

And you know what? Even if Ngo associated with scumbag alt-right groups, that's still no reason to attack him in a public setting. Similarly, if right-wingers beat up Antifa sympathisers at a public event, who weren't doing anything other than showing up there, you'd be correct to cry foul (and I'm sure you would be).

It's very simple....

YOU

DON'T

BEAT

PEOPLE

UP

BECAUSE

OF

THEIR

POLITICS

He wasn't beat up because of his politics. He was beat because he was accomplice to violence, fabricated news stories and covered up crimes for the far right.

Just look at the lawsuit that brought this up. Just from that incidents reportage you know what victim Andy is about. When you're at the other end of a lie, you know it's a lie.

You don't get privileges of a journalist when don't uphold to standards of journalism. It's not really rocket science.

More than likely he was kicked from Quillette because what he did has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech doesn't cover making shit up about other people.

The guy is not even close to being a journalist. No schooling in that department. He worked for a school newspaper and had an opinion piece published as comment. Nothing to do with journalism

[gimmick]

Here's the article about the guy that infiltrated Patriot Prayer...

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...rom-the-inside

...he was in contact with Antifa and helped identify relevant parties. Guessing protecting his identity was worth more for Antifa than try to change how they are perceived by people that gobble the usual right wing bs.

[Dan Druff]

Here's the article about the guy that infiltrated Patriot Prayer...

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...rom-the-inside

...he was in contact with Antifa and helped identify relevant parties. Guessing protecting his identity was worth more for Antifa than try to change how they are perceived by people that gobble the usual right wing bs.

They could have easily stated Ngo's affiliations at the time without compromising his identity. You're giving Antifa way too much credit. They aren't a well-oiled resistance machine meant to fight fascism. They are a loose collection of mostly young, bitter, violent idiots who have deluded themselves into believing they're fighting a war against a second Nazi regime, and that anyone on the right is their enemy. They feel that this is a revolution, and that violence is justified for that reason.

It's amazing to watch the delusion in this thread.

"Antifa has never attacked anyone without being provoked."

"Antifa only attacked Ngo because they knew he was a fake journalist aligned with violent alt-right groups, and not because they were bitter that he was on the right and writing mean articles about them."

"Antifa never killed anyone, but the KKK killed thousands, so obviously Antifa is nonviolent."

"Antifa is not interested in silencing free speech."


Antifa is a shit organization of violent lunatics with a misguided belief that they're freedom fighters.

Responsible people on the left can condemn Antifa and its actions without conceding a single political or social belief. It's okay to admit that certain forces on your side are dangerous and counter-productive.

[sonatine]

Never go full mumbles, druff.

[limitles]

Here's the article about the guy that infiltrated Patriot Prayer...

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...rom-the-inside

...he was in contact with Antifa and helped identify relevant parties. Guessing protecting his identity was worth more for Antifa than try to change how they are perceived by people that gobble the usual right wing bs.

They could have easily stated Ngo's affiliations at the time without compromising his identity. You're giving Antifa way too much credit. They aren't a well-oiled resistance machine meant to fight fascism. They are a loose collection of mostly young, bitter, violent idiots who have deluded themselves into believing they're fighting a war against a second Nazi regime, and that anyone on the right is their enemy. They feel that this is a revolution, and that violence is justified for that reason.

It's amazing to watch the delusion in this thread.

"Antifa has never attacked anyone without being provoked."

"Antifa only attacked Ngo because they knew he was a fake journalist aligned with violent alt-right groups, and not because they were bitter that he was on the right and writing mean articles about them."

"Antifa never killed anyone, but the KKK killed thousands, so obviously Antifa is nonviolent."

"Antifa is not interested in silencing free speech."


Antifa is a shit organization of violent lunatics with a misguided belief that they're freedom fighters.

Responsible people on the left can condemn Antifa and its actions without conceding a single political or social belief. It's okay to admit that certain forces on your side are dangerous and counter-productive.

I don't care about Anitfa or any sicko crowd. One social belief is free press. That ideal has long been tainted but made worse by a truly sick individual you must call leader. Leaders do not condemn the entirety of journalistic avenues.

This tit posing as a journalist was attacked by other tits. Neither matter except for the headline of the day. It's all distraction. You get all excited becasuse the attention is away from the true crime.

READ YOUR THREAD TITLE... NO VICIOUS ATTACK. NO JOURNALIST

[gimmick]

Here's the article about the guy that infiltrated Patriot Prayer...

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...rom-the-inside

...he was in contact with Antifa and helped identify relevant parties. Guessing protecting his identity was worth more for Antifa than try to change how they are perceived by people that gobble the usual right wing bs.

They could have easily stated Ngo's affiliations at the time without compromising his identity. You're giving Antifa way too much credit. They aren't a well-oiled resistance machine meant to fight fascism. They are a loose collection of mostly young, bitter, violent idiots who have deluded themselves into believing they're fighting a war against a second Nazi regime, and that anyone on the right is their enemy. They feel that this is a revolution, and that violence is justified for that reason.

It's amazing to watch the delusion in this thread.

"Antifa has never attacked anyone without being provoked."

"Antifa only attacked Ngo because they knew he was a fake journalist aligned with violent alt-right groups, and not because they were bitter that he was on the right and writing mean articles about them."

"Antifa never killed anyone, but the KKK killed thousands, so obviously Antifa is nonviolent."

"Antifa is not interested in silencing free speech."


Antifa is a shit organization of violent lunatics with a misguided belief that they're freedom fighters.

Responsible people on the left can condemn Antifa and its actions without conceding a single political or social belief. It's okay to admit that certain forces on your side are dangerous and counter-productive.

Hate to be the one to tell you, but turning the other cheek doesn't work.

Why do you assume that Antifa giving a official statement that Andy Ngo is a piece a shit would have mattered at all.

You've been given all the relevant information now, but you still think he's a journalist and that any of this has anything to do with free speech. His political beliefs don't play any part in this.

Antifa can see who he moves with. They can read what he writes. They know when he's lying, because they saw with their own eyes the complete opposite of his "reporting".

Antifa exists because peaceful protests can't exist when only one side is using force. But go ahead throw the 2nd amendment in the bin. That's the logical conclusion with condemning Antifa. I kinda prefer that my side is armed as well. But apparently only the bad guys being armed logic doesn't apply here.

[cleatus]

Hey Druff, what brand and model of radar and laser detector do you have? is there a different one you would like to buy? i'm tired of using binocs on roads like this.

[Dan Druff]

They could have easily stated Ngo's affiliations at the time without compromising his identity. You're giving Antifa way too much credit. They aren't a well-oiled resistance machine meant to fight fascism. They are a loose collection of mostly young, bitter, violent idiots who have deluded themselves into believing they're fighting a war against a second Nazi regime, and that anyone on the right is their enemy. They feel that this is a revolution, and that violence is justified for that reason.

It's amazing to watch the delusion in this thread.

"Antifa has never attacked anyone without being provoked."

"Antifa only attacked Ngo because they knew he was a fake journalist aligned with violent alt-right groups, and not because they were bitter that he was on the right and writing mean articles about them."

"Antifa never killed anyone, but the KKK killed thousands, so obviously Antifa is nonviolent."

"Antifa is not interested in silencing free speech."


Antifa is a shit organization of violent lunatics with a misguided belief that they're freedom fighters.

Responsible people on the left can condemn Antifa and its actions without conceding a single political or social belief. It's okay to admit that certain forces on your side are dangerous and counter-productive.

Hate to be the one to tell you, but turning the other cheek doesn't work.

Why do you assume that Antifa giving a official statement that Andy Ngo is a piece a shit would have mattered at all.

You've been given all the relevant information now, but you still think he's a journalist and that any of this has anything to do with free speech. His political beliefs don't play any part in this.

Antifa can see who he moves with. They can read what he writes. They know when he's lying, because they saw with their own eyes the complete opposite of his "reporting".

Antifa exists because peaceful protests can't exist when only one side is using force. But go ahead throw the 2nd amendment in the bin. That's the logical conclusion with condemning Antifa. I kinda prefer that my side is armed as well. But apparently only the bad guys being armed logic doesn't apply here.

Only one side is using force?

I guess you're right, except that one side is the left.

When was the last time right wingers showed up in order to silence leftist protests and prevent them from speaking? When was the last time left-wingers were milkshaked by right wingers? When was the last time that left wingers were chased away from speaking at a college campus? When was the last time a prominent left winger was targeted and beaten for his political views?

More importantly, do you ever see mainstream right wingers -- both prominent ones or regular Joes on social media -- defending alt-right violence, the same way you guys are defending Antifa?

Alt-right violence, which isn't aimed at silencing leftist speech, is almost universally condemned by those on the right, including by me.

At the same time, we have several people in this thread, including you, praising Antifa and denying that they are attacking in order to silence speech from the right.

Go onto any leftist Facebook group, bring up the subject of Antifa, and the support won't be based upon Antifa existing to defend the left's ability to speak. They will be discussing "revolution" and how Antifa's violence is necessary to suppress the dangerous hate speech which is supposedly plunging this country into fascism. They're not even trying to deny that Antifa is violent, or that Antifa starts the violence. They're justifying it as simply being necessary to make change happen, and that since nobody is getting killed, what's a few maimed and badly injured right wingers gonna matter, right?

Will you at least denounce Antifa violence in cases where there is no violent alt-right group present at the same protest? Because honestly, most Antifa violence simply occurs because they hate the right wing, and they want to hurt them for expressing their "dangerous" opinions.

I'm also still not understanding what justification there was to physically attack Andy Ngo, regardless of any affiliation he might have had. Was he hitting anyone? Was he directing people to hit anyone? Did he appear to be inciting any kind of violence there? No. He was simply attacked by Antifa thugs, who are now back-end justifying it when unflattering details about Ngo's affiliatons came out.

[Dan Druff]

cleatus, both my radar detector and dashcam are older models by now.

[blake]

sonatine, do you or do you not support violence against people who are peacefully stating their political/social views, or assembling to do so?

i'd support violence against the charlottesville group chanting jews will not replace us, so yeah

[blake]

look, antifa is a clown show and counterproductive to the causes they believe in.

but druff, equating antifa -- a group vehemently opposed to racism -- with the white supremacist groups themselves is the height of false equivalency.

[nightmarefish]

This is another area where many of the Dem nominees are fucking up by simply not condemning Antifa. Tulsi Gabbard was one of the few to do so but she can’t gain any traction. Remember, the Dem party being all fucked up is what opened the door for Trump to get elected in 2016 and they will be the reason he gets re-elected in 2020. All the Dems in this thread should be praying their favorite candidate condemns Antifi, it’s an easy win. Yet many of you are finding ways to dismiss what they’re doing. You will be the same people that won’t to able to understand how Trump gets re-elected. It’s hilarious to watch.

[MumblesBadly]

cleatus, both my radar detector and dashcam are older models by now.

Time to upgrade your dashcam.



Also, can get a higher capacity MicroSD card, such as 128GB. That should give you plenty of recording time. And you don’t have to buy Blackvue’s MicroSD card for it to work properly; it just needs to be sufficiently fast to handle the recording speed of the unit. Lexan has a model that works just fine.

[sonatine]

look, antifa is a clown show and counterproductive to the causes they believe in.

but druff, equating antifa -- a group vehemently opposed to racism -- with the white supremacist groups themselves is the height of false equivalency.

what choice does he have?

he made an entire thread about how andy ngo was a persecuted champion of sanity flavored justice. when was the last time druff was wrong about literally anything?

[gimmick]

Hate to be the one to tell you, but turning the other cheek doesn't work.

Why do you assume that Antifa giving a official statement that Andy Ngo is a piece a shit would have mattered at all.

You've been given all the relevant information now, but you still think he's a journalist and that any of this has anything to do with free speech. His political beliefs don't play any part in this.

Antifa can see who he moves with. They can read what he writes. They know when he's lying, because they saw with their own eyes the complete opposite of his "reporting".

Antifa exists because peaceful protests can't exist when only one side is using force. But go ahead throw the 2nd amendment in the bin. That's the logical conclusion with condemning Antifa. I kinda prefer that my side is armed as well. But apparently only the bad guys being armed logic doesn't apply here.

Only one side is using force?

I guess you're right, except that one side is the left.

When was the last time right wingers showed up in order to silence leftist protests and prevent them from speaking? When was the last time left-wingers were milkshaked by right wingers? When was the last time that left wingers were chased away from speaking at a college campus? When was the last time a prominent left winger was targeted and beaten for his political views?

More importantly, do you ever see mainstream right wingers -- both prominent ones or regular Joes on social media -- defending alt-right violence, the same way you guys are defending Antifa?

Alt-right violence, which isn't aimed at silencing leftist speech, is almost universally condemned by those on the right, including by me.

At the same time, we have several people in this thread, including you, praising Antifa and denying that they are attacking in order to silence speech from the right.

Go onto any leftist Facebook group, bring up the subject of Antifa, and the support won't be based upon Antifa existing to defend the left's ability to speak. They will be discussing "revolution" and how Antifa's violence is necessary to suppress the dangerous hate speech which is supposedly plunging this country into fascism. They're not even trying to deny that Antifa is violent, or that Antifa starts the violence. They're justifying it as simply being necessary to make change happen, and that since nobody is getting killed, what's a few maimed and badly injured right wingers gonna matter, right?

Will you at least denounce Antifa violence in cases where there is no violent alt-right group present at the same protest? Because honestly, most Antifa violence simply occurs because they hate the right wing, and they want to hurt them for expressing their "dangerous" opinions.

I'm also still not understanding what justification there was to physically attack Andy Ngo, regardless of any affiliation he might have had. Was he hitting anyone? Was he directing people to hit anyone? Did he appear to be inciting any kind of violence there? No. He was simply attacked by Antifa thugs, who are now back-end justifying it when unflattering details about Ngo's affiliatons came out.

Sure i don't mind denouncing Antifa violence when there's no reason for it, when it's miss-targeted or excessive. I don't really know when that's the case though. This is the rough equivalent of asking me to denounce the police and go figure the same things apply.

For some random reason you seem to be under the impression that far-right has any interest in sensible intelligent discourse. That no one from the left ever thought to just talk things out. And speaking of words, apparently all words are amazing and none of them have any kind of impact. It's just a coincidence that a same forum spawns several mass murderers. Or that Isis can radicalize people thousands of miles away by using Isis magic. Yay words.

For you to think Antifa would ever cross paths with 99% of conservatives makes me think you've been touched by some bad words. Oh and yes victim Andy was inciting violence or at least he played his part as a grifter in painting remarkably flawed picture that apparently found it's audience.

Like i said look into that Patriot Prayer case in May Day. That's kinda how it's always been and that's why Antifa thinks use of force is justified.

[sonatine]

conservatives need to bring something better to the table than "i stuck my dick in a beehive and got stung, so much for the tolerant bees".

[Dan Druff]

Only one side is using force?

I guess you're right, except that one side is the left.

When was the last time right wingers showed up in order to silence leftist protests and prevent them from speaking? When was the last time left-wingers were milkshaked by right wingers? When was the last time that left wingers were chased away from speaking at a college campus? When was the last time a prominent left winger was targeted and beaten for his political views?

More importantly, do you ever see mainstream right wingers -- both prominent ones or regular Joes on social media -- defending alt-right violence, the same way you guys are defending Antifa?

Alt-right violence, which isn't aimed at silencing leftist speech, is almost universally condemned by those on the right, including by me.

At the same time, we have several people in this thread, including you, praising Antifa and denying that they are attacking in order to silence speech from the right.

Go onto any leftist Facebook group, bring up the subject of Antifa, and the support won't be based upon Antifa existing to defend the left's ability to speak. They will be discussing "revolution" and how Antifa's violence is necessary to suppress the dangerous hate speech which is supposedly plunging this country into fascism. They're not even trying to deny that Antifa is violent, or that Antifa starts the violence. They're justifying it as simply being necessary to make change happen, and that since nobody is getting killed, what's a few maimed and badly injured right wingers gonna matter, right?

Will you at least denounce Antifa violence in cases where there is no violent alt-right group present at the same protest? Because honestly, most Antifa violence simply occurs because they hate the right wing, and they want to hurt them for expressing their "dangerous" opinions.

I'm also still not understanding what justification there was to physically attack Andy Ngo, regardless of any affiliation he might have had. Was he hitting anyone? Was he directing people to hit anyone? Did he appear to be inciting any kind of violence there? No. He was simply attacked by Antifa thugs, who are now back-end justifying it when unflattering details about Ngo's affiliatons came out.

Sure i don't mind denouncing Antifa violence when there's no reason for it, when it's miss-targeted or excessive. I don't really know when that's the case though. This is the rough equivalent of asking me to denounce the police and go figure the same things apply.

For some random reason you seem to be under the impression that far-right has any interest in sensible intelligent discourse. That no one from the left ever thought to just talk things out. And speaking of words, apparently all words are amazing and none of them have any kind of impact. It's just a coincidence that a same forum spawns several mass murderers. Or that Isis can radicalize people thousands of miles away by using Isis magic. Yay words.

For you to think Antifa would ever cross paths with 99% of conservatives makes me think you've been touched by some bad words. Oh and yes victim Andy was inciting violence or at least he played his part as a grifter in painting remarkably flawed picture that apparently found it's audience.

Like i said look into that Patriot Prayer case in May Day. That's kinda how it's always been and that's why Antifa thinks use of force is justified.

I don't care why Antifa thinks their use of force is justified.

Use of force by a civilian group is not justified unless they are placed in danger themselves, or if they are rescuing someone else from immediate danger. A very high percentage of Antifa attacks are simply instigated by them out of nowhere. Antifa doesn't even deny this. They don't claim to be a "violence only in defense" group. They fully acknowledge that they're violent and engage in it offensively, but assert that the violence is necessary in order to prevent the rise of fascism.

The term "far right" is also misused a lot, and it's meant to invoke images of dangerous, violent white supremacists. While such groups exist, they are a tiny minority of conservatives, and almost all conservatives denounce them (unlike Antifa, which has increasingly become accepted and lauded by the left). Do you think I'm the "far right"? Because that accusation has been lobbed at me many a time by those on the left who disagree with me, even while I'm engaging in reasonable debate and never advocating for any kind of violence or racial discrimination.

"Far right" and "hate speech" are intentionally broad terms meant to justify modern censorship and censorship-based violence. That's Antifa's basic gameplan.

[Dan Druff]

look, antifa is a clown show and counterproductive to the causes they believe in.

but druff, equating antifa -- a group vehemently opposed to racism -- with the white supremacist groups themselves is the height of false equivalency.

When did I equate Antifa to white supremacist groups?

It's the left who likes to compare the two. in order to "prove" that Antifa really isn't all that bad.

It's such a dumb comparison because very few on the right defend white supremacist groups, nor does Antifa simply target verified violent white supremacists. Antifa targets prominent people on the right. Period.

Obviously I'm no fan of white supremacist groups, being a Jew. They hate me and I hate them. When white supremacists show up in conservative Facebook groups I post in, I'm one of the first to bash them and tell them that they're trash. But these groups have also become the new excuse for Antifa's violence, and the "Antifa isn't as bad as XXXX group, so therefore they're fine" is so tilting to read.

[gimmick]

look, antifa is a clown show and counterproductive to the causes they believe in.

but druff, equating antifa -- a group vehemently opposed to racism -- with the white supremacist groups themselves is the height of false equivalency.

When did I equate Antifa to white supremacist groups?

I think this something you said...

"tiny minority of conservatives, and almost all conservatives denounce them (unlike Antifa"

...in the distant past of two posts ago.