Do you agree with the political opposition on anything?

[Gordman]

Conservative...


However I too dislike the death penalty. That is the confusion for me to a degree, good religious conservatives who are God fearing (so they say) who believe in redemption and forgiveness and view murder as a sin, lobby for the death penalty. It is a sticking point for me.

Not to mention the fact that the death penalty costs the government TONS more than putting someone away for life, which is pretty damn ridiculous imo.

To paraphrase Ron White , there should be an express line for the most serious offenses that are also pretty cut and dry (PLENTY of evidence)....none of this waiting 20 years for appeals.
Aside from fiscal responsibility, I do have some reservations about the death penalty especially seeing as how we have literally executed people who were later proven innocent. That right there is a fucking travesty of the highest proportions.

[Hockey Guy]

I've voted conservative 75-80% of Federal & Provincial elections in my lifetime so I'm not sure which positions I should be listing as agreeing with the opposition.

Wasn't there a thread a few years back where there was a link to a survey that showed your true leanings & there were a lot of posters here posting screenshots of their surprising results?

edit: I think this was the thread with the link in it:

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...litical+survey

[theSMARTESTLIBERALalive]

Right now, the US (and much of the western world) is more politically polarized than ever.

It has gotten to the point where many people feel pressured to identify with one side or the other, and are shamed for ever agreeing with anything the other side has to say.

This is happening on PFA to some degree, as well.

Let's see how many of you partisan assholes are willing to concede that the other side is right on some things.

Since I am one of those partisan assholes, I will start.

I make no secret that I'm a conservative Republican, and always have been. However, there are some areas where I agree or mostly agree with the left or center left. These include:

- I support gay marriage.

- I support most environmental regulations. Without these, corporations will run rampant and destroy both nature and our planet itself.

- Somewhat related to the above, I support the National Park system, and feel the government can do a better job preserving and managing it than private companies.

- I support the dismantling of the privatized prison structure, and making it all 100% managed by the government.

- I support worker's rights, and the aggressive punishment of companies violating them. The free market cannot take care of this on its own.

- I feel that health care needs major reform, and that health care really is a right. I also feel that the costs of health care should be subsidized or provided for free for those who cannot afford it. (However, I do NOT support socialized medicine, as that is a very flawed solution to the issue, especially in this country.)

- I support the decriminalization of drug use (but not the decriminalization of drug sales.)

There's probably others, but that's what I came up with off the top of my head.

Now you go.

Post which positions held or mostly held by the opposition party you agree with.

If you say "none", you are probably a mindless sheep who holds the exact views your party tells you to have.

The solution to all these problems is Communism. When will you trump loving sanders loving retarded capitalists figure it out?

[Sanlmar]

The very fact that a thread was created talking about “the political opposition” is the primary problem of the state of politics in this country.

We the people over time have created the single most powerful entity in the history of the world. At the center of it instead of many different small representative groups that cater to the constituency is the biggest bioppoly in the world. The reason why it’s a bioppoly is to easily funnel money in and out of Washington. You either pay one side or the other to get your votes.

I’m by closest definition a libertarian. I don’t call my self a republican and “agree with the political opposition” on a few things just to fit in with the state of politics.

I don’t think the forum understands Druff’s point any more than Druff will appreciate Daly’s post.

Fantasy sports reenergized baseball. Social media and fractionalized news outlets have made a sport of politics.

Druff has fallen down that rabbit hole. You old timers can chronicle Druff’s increased political comment over the years better than I. He’s not unique. He’s a product of our times. He’s been radicalized in a small way. Everyone has.


It’s an issue with process not issues. Lol.

Daly is on point.

[gimmick]

The very fact that a thread was created talking about “the political opposition” is the primary problem of the state of politics in this country.

We the people over time have created the single most powerful entity in the history of the world. At the center of it instead of many different small representative groups that cater to the constituency is the biggest bioppoly in the world. The reason why it’s a bioppoly is to easily funnel money in and out of Washington. You either pay one side or the other to get your votes.

I’m by closest definition a libertarian. I don’t call my self a republican and “agree with the political opposition” on a few things just to fit in with the state of politics.

I don’t think the forum understands Druff’s point any more than Druff will appreciate Daly’s post.

Fantasy sports reenergized baseball. Social media and fractionalized news outlets have made a sport of politics.

Druff has fallen down that rabbit hole. You old timers can chronicle Druff’s increased political comment over the years better than I. He’s not unique. He’s a product of our times. He’s been radicalized in a small way. Everyone has.


It’s an issue with process not issues. Lol.

Daly is on point.

Fairly sure Druff chose his team in the Reagan years. That's his baseline for policy. Then depending if he has any personal connection to an issue, it's then revised. At this point it's kinda semi random with no real consistency. We get to thank Ken Scalir for most progressive views, anti-corporation views from Druffs customer service escapades and drug decriminalization might be because of all the characters he met through Micon and Neverwin.

As a foreigner i don't think i need to choose a team (we have more than 2). I can just note that out of your two teams, one team sucks less, sometimes their policy suggestions have a desired stated effect and more often stated effect matches the desired effect.

[TheXFactor]

Trump is making everyone crazy.

You now live in a Bizarro Trump World.

[Dan Druff]

I said I didn't want to debate any policies here, but I will make an exception for the death penalty, since I see a few conservatives saying they disagree with it. (Interestingly, big dick, whom I consider center-left, is for it).

I am very much for the death penalty.

Why?

First off, and often overlooked, it is frequently used to pressure obviously guilty criminals to take a plea bargain of life without parole. Think of the Unabomber, for example. There are plea bargains just like this one every day in every state with the death penalty. Saves money and state resources on a trial. Saves the victim's family and other innocent parties from the stress of a trial. Ensures with 100% certainty that the criminal will never leave prison. Without the death penalty, all plea bargains have to include some ability to be released at some point, which is terrible. Otherwise, the criminal will just roll the dice at trial, and will sometimes win (which is even more terrible).

The above factor alone is a HUGE argument for the death penalty, and we see the real-world application of it time and time again.



What about the cost? That's only due to an insane appeals process which can last decades in some states, often completely defying common sense. Streamline that, and the cost becomes much CHEAPER than housing the criminal for life.

What about the possibility that the wrong person will be convicted and put to death? Extremely rare nowadays, given the DNA analysis and advanced forensic testing methods. However, I would be fine with a new, higher standard to sentence the killer to death -- meaning direct, irrefutable evidence. The standard could be "beyond ANY doubt", which is higher than the current "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.

What about the possibility that, even with all of the above, someone innocent could still be put to death? Again, this would be very rare, and rare enough to the point where it needs to be simply accepted. Many innocent people die each year due to mistakes on the part of law enforcement -- some through corruption, some through incompetence, some through unfortunate accidents. Having a criminal justice system means that, in the effort to bring justice and catch criminals, occasionally innocent people will die. It is naive to think otherwise. At this point in time, only a tiny percentage of innocent people killed by the justice system would be ones wrongfully put to death via the death penalty.

Finally, it really is a deterrent to some criminals. There are career criminals who have spent most of their adult lives in prison, and don't fear going back. In fact, some feel more comfortable there than out in regular society. A return to prison doesn't scare them. Death does.

Many ordinary citizens will say, "I'd rather get the death penalty than spend life in prison". That's easy to say when you're not faced with that actual choice. However, notice that it's very rare for a criminal to want the death penalty because he dreads life in prison. In the few cases where the criminal asks for the death penalty, it's usually because of guilt regarding what he did. On the flip side, even the most hardened criminals will often plea down to life-no-parole rather than roll the dice that they might get sentenced to death.

[Dan Druff]

By the way, don't get me wrong. Despite the progressive-seeming views stated in the OP, there's a lot of areas where I completely or mosty agree with the right.

Crime and punishment is one.

Taxes are another, though I'm more an across-the-board-lowering taxes type of guy, and in fact think the first $40k each person makes should be income tax free. But I really do believe taxes are too damn high, and not just income tax.

I mostly agree with the right on immigration.

I am pro-life, though the legalized early term abortion doesn't bother me that much. Late term abortion really bothers me, unless incredibly necessary. I'm horrified at what I've seen from the left this year, regarding late term abortion "rights".

I feel welfare and other social programs need a lot of reform.

I am very against socialized medicine, though I feel our current health care system is also very flawed and needs to be completely reworked.

I am very against the handing out of arbitrary free shit on the taxpayer dime -- student loan forgiveness, free college for everyone, universal basic income, socialized medicine, etc.

I am against so-called "net neutrality", as it's a fraud, being pushed by the big content providers as a populist issue, when it's really not one.

I have no problem with gay people, and while I think trans people have a mental illness, since there's no cure, I can understand why they want to transition to the other gender. However, I think this "52 genders" thing is complete nonsense, as is the silly concept that gender has nothing to do with your sex (???)

I am against all affirmative action and quota-based hiring or admissions systems. Completely contrary to the goal of being a colorblind society.

I am against heavy regulation of businesses, though I do feel that intelligent, light regulation is the way to go. (Go ahead and laugh, Sanlmar.)

I am very pro-free-speech, which used to be an area where I agreed with the left. Now the left has mostly abandoned free speech, and the right has taken over the cause.

[MrTickle]

I can’t think of a single thing I agree with which would be a right-wing/conservative viewpoint.

Druff you sound like you don’t fit as a democratic or republican voter and you’d be much better off in a
European country where there are a tonne of parties to choose from and you can closer match your own personal views.

[Sloppy Joe]

Even though it's an anti-democratic, cynical way to suppress voters, I agree that one should have to have ID in order to vote.

While I'm ultimately pro-choice in most circumstances, I'm sympathetic to most pro-life arguments and am not sure what lines should be drawn, etc.

I thought that GOP leadership and the president were correct in their endorsement of Roy Moore, a credibly accused pedophile whose religious beliefs should be honored. This in no way should be held against them or Republicans in general.

Two of the three are true.

[Tellafriend]

I can’t think of a single thing I agree with which would be a right-wing/conservative viewpoint.

Druff you sound like you don’t fit as a democratic or republican voter and you’d be much better off in a
European country where there are a tonne of parties to choose from and you can closer match your own personal views.

I wish we had a system more like this which would require coalitions to govern. I hate both parties and would like one more aligned w my views.

[MumblesBadly]

By the way, don't get me wrong. Despite the progressive-seeming views stated in the OP, there's a lot of areas where I completely or mosty agree with the right.

Crime and punishment is one.
Strongly disagree. I was once a “crime and punishment” Republican, and once lauded the get-tough-on-crime measures starting with Reagan, ramped up by Poppy Bush, put on steroids by Clinton’s 1995 crime bill. Not anymore. And it’s all due to the utterly failed and completely counter-effective, urban community-destroying “War on Drugs”.

Taxes are another, though I'm more an across-the-board-lowering taxes type of guy, and in fact think the first $40k each person makes should be income tax free. But I really do believe taxes are too damn high, and not just income tax.
You should move to Oklahoma or Kansas. The state governments there have each been super frugal on raising taxes. Oh, and their school systems and infrastructures are suffering badly for lack of funds.

I mostly agree with the right on immigration.
So, are you for deporting the 11-12 million ‘illegals’, or just permanently keeping them in a state of labor market limbo until they get caught by the occasional immigration sweep?

I am pro-life, though the legalized early term abortion doesn't bother me that much. Late term abortion really bothers me, unless incredibly necessary. I'm horrified at what I've seen from the left this year, regarding late term abortion "rights".
Kudos to rightwing media outlets for spreading bogus claims of countless freewheeling at-will late-term abortions to jack up the emotions of an otherwise not-too-concerned economic conservative.

I feel welfare and other social programs need a lot of reform.
A vague fop to a hot button issue that is also still coded appeals to rural racists and modern day disciples of Archie Bunker.

I am very against socialized medicine, though I feel our current health care system is also very flawed and needs to be completely reworked.
Kudos to you for wanting millions of poor and working poor folks on Medicaid, and their kids, to be denied sensible access to healthcare. Oh, and let’s not forget the tens of millions of seniors on Medicare, which, according to Ron Paul, is ‘socialized’ medicine.

I am very against the handing out of arbitrary free shit on the taxpayer dime -- student loan forgiveness, free college for everyone, universal basic income, socialized medicine, etc.
We get you; you got yours. Fuck the poor saps who weren’t as lucky in the gene pool draw. It’s a dog-eat-dog world, and the only way to weed out the underperformers from society is to starve them out of existence.

I am against so-called "net neutrality", as it's a fraud, being pushed by the big content providers as a populist issue, when it's really not one.
Makes total sense. Give all of the power to decide who gets to use the internet on favorable terms in the hands of the companies that controls access to the internet. Those companies totally won’t abuse their monopoly power because [a string of unrealistic assumptions, illogic, and/or false notions]

I have no problem with gay people, and while I think trans people have a mental illness, since there's no cure, I can understand why they want to transition to the other gender. However, I think this "52 genders" thing is complete nonsense, as is the silly concept that gender has nothing to do with your sex (???)
I am truly impressed that during your many years as a poker professional, you were able to thoroughly school yourself in the sciences of genetics, developmental psychology, neurology, and psychiatry in order to conclusively determine that trans people “have a mental illness” and “gender has nothing to do with your sex”. Have you been hiding your peer-reviewed scholarly-research-publishing pseudonym from us in order to appear to just be a computer geek-turned poker pro?

I am against all affirmative action and quota-based hiring or admissions systems. Completely contrary to the goal of being a colorblind society.
I’m actually in agreement with you here, but I still want race-based stats to be collected in order to prevent being completely blindsided by institutionalized racism in case the relaxation of af-act is seen by some folks as an opportunity to intentionally engage in unchecked racial discrimination.

I am against heavy regulation of businesses, though I do feel that intelligent, light regulation is the way to go. (Go ahead and laugh, Sanlmar.)
Sanlmar appropriately laughs at you on this matter because “intelligent, light regulation” is a platitude that allows profoundly stupid ideas to be adopted into and grossly undermine the effectiveness of intended regulation

I am very pro-free-speech, which used to be an area where I agreed with the left. Now the left has mostly abandoned free speech, and the right has taken over the cause.
I’m pro-free-speech, also. But don’t be so quick to laud “the right” for currently carrying the torch for this very necessary public right. For example, google “anti-BDS legislation” to see how the religious right is trying to use the power of the government to punish people and businesses that express support for BDS.

[blake]

mumbles how is it possible to be this brainwashed

[Sloppy Joe]

Even though it's an anti-democratic, cynical way to suppress voters, I agree that one should have to have ID in order to vote.

While I'm ultimately pro-choice in most circumstances, I'm sympathetic to most pro-life arguments and am not sure what lines should be drawn, etc.

I thought that GOP leadership and the president were correct in their endorsement of Roy Moore, a credibly accused pedophile whose religious beliefs should be honored. This in no way should be held against them or Republicans in general.

Two of the three are true.

Roy Moore running again! Will the GOP again endorse a child molester?

[thesidedish]

MumblesBadly: I used to be a hardcore libertarian. Since then, I learned a crapload about economics, politics, and history, followed by developing a sense of compassion.






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[limitles]

Why not post a few policies that are Republican cornerstones, ideas the left is not on board with at least not fully.
Not being a U.S. citizen I only get the headlines and have a tough time coming up with anything I agree with the right on.

[Jayjami]

This whole idea of the “opposition” is what is tearing America apart. Political ideas should be evaluated on their merits, not on who is espousing them. If Adolph Hitler was an advocate for clean public restrooms, I would agree with him.

Jesse Helms and Bono raising money for AIDS prevention in Africa.

[MumblesBadly]

This whole idea of the “opposition” is what is tearing America apart. Political ideas should be evaluated on their merits, not on who is espousing them. If Adolph Hitler was an advocate for clean public restrooms, I would agree with him.

Jesse Helms and Bono raising money for AIDS prevention in Africa.

Especially opposition to basic human dignity. Or is that too “radical” an idea?

[Dan Druff]

Mumbles now holding out obvious anti-Semite Ilhan Omar as a person we should be listening to.

Now I've seen everything.

[Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe]

the only thing I want from the government is to fuck over women and colored people. Like every other person in the USA who isn't a democrat, I am very, very hateful and ignorant and the most important thing to me is white power