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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    On the surface, [demonetizing Crowder’s channel] appears to be a safe middle ground. Crowder can still say what he wants -- he just can't make money from YouTube advertisers anymore. Thus, Crowder isn't profiting from "hate speech", yet his speech isn't being censored.

    Except it isn't a middle ground at all. And it's cowardly.

    YouTube has to protect its relationships with its advertising clients, and Crowder has become a bit socially toxic given the current social conventions. As such, it is financially prudent “cowardly”ness.

    If Crowder were just some conservative dude ranting in videos for his own amusement, this would be a reasonable solution.

    However, Crowder has an expensive operation with 20+ employees, which makes much of its money from YouTube advertising. Thus, completely demonetizing the channel is almost as bad as completely censoring the channel. This sort of thing will completely choke out any kind of higher-budget conservative YouTube programs.

    Tough noogies. Team Crowder violates its contract terms with YouTube. It doesn’t matter how many people that hate factory employs in creating its social pollution. It’s like a shopping mall discovering that one its leasee’s was selling some products that were banned by the the shopping mail’s policies.

    Furthermore, it makes no sense. Why not just demonetize individual videos which don't meet standards? Why turn it off for the whole channel?

    Because YouTube’s demonetization doesn’t preclude Crowder from getting other advertising sponsors. It just means that the ads won’t be arranged through Google Adsense and automatically attached to or inserted into the video stream by YouTube.

    Instead, Team Crowder can contract with ad agencies for clients and insert them into the videos themselves, or contract for them to be inserted by a third party before uploading them. Other YouTubers hit hard by the interactions of YouTube’s Adpocalypse have started doing this to recover some ad revenue stream. Team Crowder should feel fortunate that they still have that option versus being completely banned by YouTube.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    On the surface, [demonetizing Crowder’s channel] appears to be a safe middle ground. Crowder can still say what he wants -- he just can't make money from YouTube advertisers anymore. Thus, Crowder isn't profiting from "hate speech", yet his speech isn't being censored.

    Except it isn't a middle ground at all. And it's cowardly.

    YouTube has to protect its relationships with its advertising clients, and Crowder has become a bit socially toxic given the current social conventions. As such, it is financially prudent “cowardly”ness.

    If Crowder were just some conservative dude ranting in videos for his own amusement, this would be a reasonable solution.

    However, Crowder has an expensive operation with 20+ employees, which makes much of its money from YouTube advertising. Thus, completely demonetizing the channel is almost as bad as completely censoring the channel. This sort of thing will completely choke out any kind of higher-budget conservative YouTube programs.

    Tough noogies. Team Crowder violates its contract terms with YouTube. It doesn’t matter how many people that hate factory employs in creating its social pollution. It’s like a shopping mall discovering that one its leasee’s was selling some products that were banned by the the shopping mail’s policies.

    Furthermore, it makes no sense. Why not just demonetize individual videos which don't meet standards? Why turn it off for the whole channel?

    Because YouTube’s demonetization doesn’t preclude Crowder from getting other advertising sponsors. It just means that the ads won’t be arranged through Google Adsense and automatically attached to or inserted into the video stream by YouTube.

    Instead, Team Crowder can contract with ad agencies for clients and insert them into the videos themselves, or contract for them to be inserted by a third party before uploading them. Other YouTubers hit hard by the interactions of YouTube’s Adpocalypse have started doing this to recover some ad revenue stream. Team Crowder should feel fortunate that they still have that option versus being completely banned by YouTube.
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    Also, Druff, identifying Steven Crowder as a “comedian” is wholely misleading. He is a political commentator who includes comedy as part of his schtick.

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    its somehow entertaining to watch rogan get his shit pushed in but being too stoned and dim to realize it.

    like he just cant hang with adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post


    its somehow entertaining to watch rogan get his shit pushed in but being too stoned and dim to realize it.

    like he just cant hang with adults.
    David Pakman is extremely skilled at detangling muddled and misleading arguments, all the while remaining calm and collected while shredding the illogic ignorantly (or disengenuously) thrown into the mix of a discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    its somehow entertaining to watch rogan get his shit pushed in but being too stoned and dim to realize it.

    like he just cant hang with adults.
    David Pakman is extremely skilled at detangling muddled and misleading arguments, all the while remaining calm and collected while shredding the illogic ignorantly (or disengenuously) thrown into the mix of a discussion.

    he's also from argentina which is _the_ case study for SHTF stuff so when he says something is worthy of consideration, he has my attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post

    David Pakman is extremely skilled at detangling muddled and misleading arguments, all the while remaining calm and collected while shredding the illogic ignorantly (or disengenuously) thrown into the mix of a discussion.

    he's also from argentina which is _the_ case study for SHTF stuff so when he says something is worthy of consideration, he has my attention.
    You're not kidding that Rogan was stoned. He didn't come off well, and Pakman ran him over.

    However, Pakman spent time calling Google "center right" which is hilarious.

    They're not any kind of right. The correct term is "limousine liberals" in corporate form.

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    i think his whole point was that when you break down google's agenda to its absolute bare bones, like 2% of that pie graph is left leaning gestures and the rest is pure get that mother fuckin money with a surprisingly big slice of pure science R&D for good measure.

    but yeah google's composed of mostly left leaning people because most geniuses tend to aspire to crypto-buddhist egalitarian principles. sfo.
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    Google, Facebook, and Twitter engage in a lot of cold, opportunistic, and morally questionable business practices in order to maintain and expand their dominance.

    There's various ways executives of these type of companies cope with behaving in such a way:

    1) "That's the way business works, I regret nothing. SFO."
    -or-
    2) "I'll give a shitload of money to charity, and that totally makes up for it."
    -or-
    3) "I'll support left wing politics in order to show how much I care for the little guy, and will instill this into our corporate culture. That will make up for it."

    Silicon Valley engages in #3.

    Bill Gates engaged in #2.

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    From a Western perspective they are center right, if you're speaking of management/owners.

    Right likes to spew silly numbers like 90% of employees donations going to the left. That money buys lip service and keeping up appearances. For anything else it's too random.

    Almost all directed lobbying effort goes towards right wing economic policies. That money gets things done. At the top of the list are anti-trust laws, stripping regulations and stopping anyone from looking too close to what needs to be done. All things Orwellian (lifelong socialist btw).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    On the surface, [demonetizing Crowder’s channel] appears to be a safe middle ground. Crowder can still say what he wants -- he just can't make money from YouTube advertisers anymore. Thus, Crowder isn't profiting from "hate speech", yet his speech isn't being censored.

    Except it isn't a middle ground at all. And it's cowardly.

    YouTube has to protect its relationships with its advertising clients, and Crowder has become a bit socially toxic given the current social conventions. As such, it is financially prudent “cowardly”ness.

    If Crowder were just some conservative dude ranting in videos for his own amusement, this would be a reasonable solution.

    However, Crowder has an expensive operation with 20+ employees, which makes much of its money from YouTube advertising. Thus, completely demonetizing the channel is almost as bad as completely censoring the channel. This sort of thing will completely choke out any kind of higher-budget conservative YouTube programs.

    Tough noogies. Team Crowder violates its contract terms with YouTube. It doesn’t matter how many people that hate factory employs in creating its social pollution. It’s like a shopping mall discovering that one its leasee’s was selling some products that were banned by the the shopping mail’s policies.

    Furthermore, it makes no sense. Why not just demonetize individual videos which don't meet standards? Why turn it off for the whole channel?

    Because YouTube’s demonetization doesn’t preclude Crowder from getting other advertising sponsors. It just means that the ads won’t be arranged through Google Adsense and automatically attached to or inserted into the video stream by YouTube.

    Instead, Team Crowder can contract with ad agencies for clients and insert them into the videos themselves, or contract for them to be inserted by a third party before uploading them. Other YouTubers hit hard by the interactions of YouTube’s Adpocalypse have started doing this to recover some ad revenue stream. Team Crowder should feel fortunate that they still have that option versus being completely banned by YouTube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Also, Druff, identifying Steven Crowder as a “comedian” is wholely misleading. He is a political commentator who includes comedy as part of his schtick.

    HE IS BOTH, IDIOT. ALSO USED TO ACT. JUST FUCKING STOP.
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    From a Western perspective they are center right, if you're speaking of management/owners.

    Right likes to spew silly numbers like 90% of employees donations going to the left. That money buys lip service and keeping up appearances. For anything else it's too random.

    Almost all directed lobbying effort goes towards right wing economic policies. That money gets things done. At the top of the list are anti-trust laws, stripping regulations and stopping anyone from looking too close to what needs to be done. All things Orwellian (lifelong socialist btw).
    Obama administration was a revolving door for google and facebook employees.

    How many google and facebook employees are in the Trump administration?

    I believe there were actually a few to start, but they resigned under pressure from the outrage mob.

    There is only one side calling for the other side to be silenced, fired, de-personed, de-platformed, etc. and it's not the modern right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    From a Western perspective they are center right, if you're speaking of management/owners.

    Right likes to spew silly numbers like 90% of employees donations going to the left. That money buys lip service and keeping up appearances. For anything else it's too random.

    Almost all directed lobbying effort goes towards right wing economic policies. That money gets things done. At the top of the list are anti-trust laws, stripping regulations and stopping anyone from looking too close to what needs to be done. All things Orwellian (lifelong socialist btw).
    Obama administration was a revolving door for google and facebook employees.

    How many google and facebook employees are in the Trump administration?

    I believe there were actually a few to start, but they resigned under pressure from the outrage mob.

    There is only one side calling for the other side to be silenced, fired, de-personed, de-platformed, etc. and it's not the modern right.
    Big tech companies do the same as Koch industries when it comes to regulating corporations only from their perspective. For Koch it's environmental regulations, for big tech it's privacy and intellectual property. And obv what comes to actually paying taxes, workers/customers rights, they share the same views.

    Big tech is the libertarian dream when it comes to economic side of things.

    I don't know what you mean with modern right. Far as i know right still excommunicates for disagreeing with the bible, crushes unions, Trump administration is banning words and trannies are now banned from the military. First things that come to mind. Right does their dirt where they can. It's not in the left leaning universities or left leaning newspapers, so they tend to highlight those.

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    big tech is one of those rare things that animates both sides. breitbart is the biggest voice online against it. every single day, at least half of the articles are railing against it and those stories are usually the leads (like right now).

    on the other side, elizabeth warren and other liberal politicians want to see the big tech companies broken up for much of the same reason

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    big tech is one of those rare things that animates both sides. breitbart is the biggest voice online against it. every single day, at least half of the articles are railing against it and those stories are usually the leads (like right now).

    on the other side, elizabeth warren and other liberal politicians want to see the big tech companies broken up for much of the same reason
    Apparently this thing was in the news cycle the last few days. I'm guessing it's filling Wall Streets place now as the villain. A lot of talk, but no change that actually sticks.

    Slightly older article about above the table lobbying...

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...bying-congress

    ...antitrust laws aren't mentioned there. but before Microsofts 1998 case tech companies lobbying wasn't a thing. The last major cases against Google were also about that. They took a 9b hit from EU, but nothing from US. What they were fined for in EU, they are still doing in US.

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    It actually makes sense why Big Tech is becoming hated by both sides.

    The right hates them for their left wing political biases which carry over into their policies regarding content.

    The left hates them because of their various abuses of privacy and personal information.

    This is one of those rare cases where both sides are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    It actually makes sense why Big Tech is becoming hated by both sides.

    The right hates them for their left wing political biases which carry over into their policies regarding content.

    The left hates them because of their various abuses of privacy and personal information.

    This is one of those rare cases where both sides are correct.
    Excuse me???? Are you saying that as a conservative, you don’t mind Big Tech abusing your privacy and personal information???

    Also, you are completing ignoring that Big Tech (i.e. YouTube) destroyed the ad revenue stream for many leftwing commentators in the iterations of Adpocalype. You just aren’t personally aware of those channels getting financially hamstrung by them because you don’t watch those YouTubers, so you partisanly repeat the lie that YouTube is biased against rightwing content creators versus leftwing ones.

    P.S. To my second point:




     
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    mumbles, if you don't think the programmers at these tech companies (located in silicon valley) are overwhelmingly liberal, you're a lost cause. and you've obviously never been in san jose

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    mumbles, if you don't think the programmers at these tech companies (located in silicon valley) are overwhelmingly liberal, you're a lost cause. and you've obviously never been in san jose

    It’s not as if they were seeking out people to censor. I guarantee they hated to even see this cross their desk. This isn’t some liberals trying to silence conservative speech issue. This idiot went out of his way to pick a fight with this dude, and not just insult his ideas which no one gives a single fuck about if he sticks to that, but went to insulting his sexuality despite that being a clear violation of the site’s policy. And any businesses policy. I’d get fired from chik-fil-a if I was insulting customer’s sexuality regardless of the owner’s being right wing nutjobs. It’s simply unacceptable behavior in modern culture, and particularly idiotic when someone gives you a platform to enrich yourself and you know how the world works.

    They make money off him. If they were left wing idealists more than capitalists, they ban him a lot time ago. They didn’t give a shit about his content until it threatens their advertising money. At any point if he costs them a single cent more than he makes them, they should shitcan him. They’re a company. They aren’t some charity subsidizing idiots who can’t read the terms of service and insist on insulting people to the degree they become toxic to advertisers.

     
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