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    Steven Crowder versus Vox/Carlos Maza

    Steven Crowder is a conservative YouTube comedian who I enjoy watching.

    Carlos Maza is a flamboyantly gay content creator for Vox, who makes a lot of left-wing videos for the site.

    Over the past 2 years, Crowder has done several "debunking" videos featuring commentary on Maza's.

    A good example is the one he just did recently:



    Note that, while Crowder sometimes insults Maza and makes gay jokes, the majority of the 23 minutes is spent on the actual topic being discussed.

    That's what most of these debunking videos are like. However, I won't deny that Crowder has uttered a lot of gay-related insults in Maza's direction, including calling him a "lispy queer".

    Maza finally had enough and put forth a series of tweets calling out Crowder for this, including a montage of Crowder insulting him over the years:




















    Anyway, while it's easy to feel sorry for Maza and see him as the victim, a lot of his logic doesn't hold up if you look at it closely.

    First off, Maza isn't a private citizen. He is a public figure who does provocative, controversial political videos for a living. In general, I have a big problem with public figures who make a lot of money riling people up, and then cry foul when people on the internet are mean to them.

    Second, what bad thing has happened to Maza, aside from getting insulted in comments sections? It seems that the worst thing was a barrage of 100 text messages from some troll, saying "Debate Crowder". Okay? Doesn't sound like the end of the world to me, nor is Crowder directly responsible for this.

    Furthermore, Maza's own Twitter has "Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist" in his bio. So it's cool to write that type of thing about Carlson (who recently got harassed while dining out), yet you cry foul when people on the internet call you a "lispy queer"?

    Here's Crowder's response:




    YouTube has since confirmed that they are "investigating" Crowder, but will not provide further detail, which has further pissed off Maza.




    Make no mistake about it, this is indeed an act of attempted censorship. Maza wants Crowder's channel shut down, to send a message to all conservative content creators that they had better be nice to him, or else lose their livelihood.

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    why do you always stick up for bad people?

     
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      JimmyG_415: Exactly, the guy can't write an unbiased sentence....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    why do you always stick up for bad people?
    Why are you literally retarded ?

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    Druff, calling someone like Tucker Carlson a “white supremacist” is not in any way comparable to calling someone like Carlos Maza a “lispy queer”, and Tucker Carlson doesn’t get harassed in response to a particular media personality’s specific and bigoted targeting.

    Also, how quickly would you ban someone from this site if after they repeatedly posted inflammatory responses to new threads you had created in which that user demanded that you answer his calls into the radio show, that you also started receiving a barage of text messages on your *personal* phone telling you to “Take [so-and-so]’s calls to the show”?
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    WHAT A FUCKING CRY BABY. YOUTUBE IS A PLATFORM FOR ALL, NOT JUST LGBTBBQ CREATORS. OF COURSE YOU AREN'T GETTING SPECIAL TREATMENT.


    AND OF COURSE WE HAVE MUMBLES WITH THE FALSE EQUIVALENCE BULLSHIT.

     
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    I’ve only watched a few Crowder videos you’ve posted. Never saw the other guy. Here’s the thing. Crowder, iirc, kind of fashions himself a comedian and social commentator. The insults are lowest common denominator shit. Why do it? You seem to really like him and find him talented. If he’s talented, they seem unnecessary. They add nothing to his critique of the opposing view. They are only funny in the way bullying is.

    I either have to believe Crowder is retarded, or he wants exactly this. It’s impossible to not know the world you live in. That YouTube answers to advertisers, and that this isn’t differing views, but something companies can’t be associated with in 2019. Established and successful comedians, world famous guys like Seinfeld have chosen to quit playing colleges and shit because the crowd is too sensitive, and their stuff falls a million miles short of this guys insults.

    Crowder knows exactly the world he lives in. He is throwing that shit in on purpose.

    Here’s an alternative take.

    I remember making a post probably 11 years ago about a guy I met who ran a call center. This call center raised money for conservative politicians, religious organizations, Catholic charities, etc. He was laying out how much they generated every day and it was staggering amount of $ per shift. The big case at the time involved some atheist named Michael Newdow and Jay Sekulow representing some organization. It was some issue like taking one nation under god out of the pledge. They had multiple battles of a similar sort. I thought these were organic battles. That they just naturally occurred. From what this guy explained, these were essentially coordinated battles. Not saying the participants didn’t have the view they advocated, but like their camps sat down and decided which battles to have and how to fundraise off of them, insofar as writing the solicitation scripts in tandem.

    Like if we were both political advocates who had the power to change policy, you as the head of some conservative movement, and me the inverse, we’d agree to disagree, and figure out a way to argue where we could raise millions of dollars. We argue politics here for free. If we could do it and raise millions, we’d be idiots not to, right?

    I see this as a similar situation. Maybe it’s an organic fight, but that would require me to think of Crowder as retarded and doesn’t understand the world. Maybe it’s collusion where they didn’t need to coordinate. Maybe it’s like knocking guys out of sit-n-goes where everyone naturally colludes out of self-interest, but both these guys profit from this fight or they wouldn’t be having it. They make their living preaching to their particular choirs. Crowder knows this is part of the game. Maybe he gets banned for a month and he’ll be back. Maybe not. He can play victim if he is to his choir. The gay guy is playing victim now and can if they don’t ban him, or they eventually let him back. Either way, I had never heard of the other guy, so that’s a win for him. I wouldn’t have ever heard of Crowder if not for you posting about him. This is all professional wrestling symbiosis. No one should feel bad for anyone regardless of the outcome. Crowder wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t a world that may ban him for this shit. That we are a pc culture is why anyone knows his name. If not for guys like him to vilify, the other guy doesn’t exist.

    They both win regardless of any YouTube decision.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Steven Crowder is a conservative YouTube comedian
    I'm not jumping into this dumpster of a conversation except to point out that Steven Crowder is not
    a comedian in the true sense of the word.

    He is a political commentator who uses some comedic tools to make his points.

    A true comedian can and does make fun of everything which is a rare talent.

    The "comedy" that has blossomed under the Republican administration is because
    the story in itself is ridiculous and the leader of the band is the court jester.

    You don't have to be funny to tell a funny Trump story.

    The reason Crowder has a number of followers is because half your nation
    is starving for someone to agree with.

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