Page 71 of 84 FirstFirst ... 216167686970717273747581 ... LastLast
Results 1,401 to 1,420 of 1678

Thread: *** OFFICIAL 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Race Thread ***

  1. #1401
    Nova Scotia's REAL #1 Webcam DJ sonatine's Avatar
    Reputation
    5455
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    23,961
    Quote Originally Posted by diggydow View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    ok, head in the sand it is, i guess.
    There it is, this little bitch / cowardly behavior you exhibit when asked to present any evidence to back up your claims. You crumble immediately and lob an insult to deflect from the fact that you have no evidence for the smears/innuendos you parrot.

    Either back up your claims or don't make them at all. This is very basic.

    ok ben shapirdow.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

  2. #1402
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    why would it surprise you that russia supports a candidate that is against the traditional policies of american internventionalism. under a traditional democrat or republican presidency, we're a threat to russia (and a million other countries). why wouldn't they support a candidate that is running on an anti-war platform?

    i guess i'm missing the machiavellian plot twist here. should tulsi be ashamed of the fact that countries that prefer to exist support her?

    why would you say im surprised? ive been pointing this out for months. whats shocking is tulsi's response. this is a woman with clearance from a military background followed by a highly successful run in government. so when she ignores all of this, allowing the narrative to essentially overwhelm her actual message, its eyebrow raising. the 'shocking' part i suppose is when she responds by exploding like some wine drunk soccer mom, crying about how people are accusing her of treason, instead of calmly pointing out the obvious;

    yes, a lot of energy is being spent manipulating her message to damage our democracy, and a lot of it is coming from russia.

    but hey, who can blame her for playing the victim card when its working so well? she has a 'bipartisan' cult and a financially promising future on fox news, where she will continue to marginalize moderate left voices while remaining mysteriously silent about the people doing the other 98% of the damage.
    i don't understand what you are saying tulsi is doing wrong with respect to russia. she should be saying she's putin's favored candidate? what is tulsi ignoring?

    do you think the average american will understand that an anti-warmongering candidate will always be preferable to other countries than a war-mongering one?

     
    Comments
      
      diggydow:
      
      rum dick:

  3. #1403
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by diggydow View Post

    There it is, this little bitch / cowardly behavior you exhibit when asked to present any evidence to back up your claims. You crumble immediately and lob an insult to deflect from the fact that you have no evidence for the smears/innuendos you parrot.

    Either back up your claims or don't make them at all. This is very basic.

    ok ben shapirdow.
    It's your choice to conduct yourself with no honor. That I cannot control.

    At least there are witnesses.

  4. #1404
    Nova Scotia's REAL #1 Webcam DJ sonatine's Avatar
    Reputation
    5455
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    23,961
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post


    why would you say im surprised? ive been pointing this out for months. whats shocking is tulsi's response. this is a woman with clearance from a military background followed by a highly successful run in government. so when she ignores all of this, allowing the narrative to essentially overwhelm her actual message, its eyebrow raising. the 'shocking' part i suppose is when she responds by exploding like some wine drunk soccer mom, crying about how people are accusing her of treason, instead of calmly pointing out the obvious;

    yes, a lot of energy is being spent manipulating her message to damage our democracy, and a lot of it is coming from russia.

    but hey, who can blame her for playing the victim card when its working so well? she has a 'bipartisan' cult and a financially promising future on fox news, where she will continue to marginalize moderate left voices while remaining mysteriously silent about the people doing the other 98% of the damage.
    i don't understand what you are saying tulsi is doing wrong with respect to russia. she should be saying she's putin's favored candidate? what is tulsi ignoring?

    do you think the average american will understand that an anti-warmongering candidate will always be preferable to other countries than a war-mongering one?

    how can i possibly explain it more clearly; if a foreign power is using social media campaigns populated by fake accounts to amplify and manipulate her message/brand to the detriment of our democracy, she should be willing to point that out.

    that shes refusing to and that she attacks people who do put a spotlight on it says a lot about her, and its all negative.

    diggydow is literally trotting out boomer memes to defend her and 2 posts later hes quoting fox news to discredit bellingcat.

    if youre not drawing lines between those two artifacts, you should give it a try. its pretty wild honestly.

     
    Comments
      
      rum dick:
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

  5. #1405
    Nova Scotia's REAL #1 Webcam DJ sonatine's Avatar
    Reputation
    5455
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    23,961
    and to be absolutely clear, ill be the first to apologize and admit i was wrong about her if at any point she makes a meaningful endorsement of the DNC nominee and urges her followers to vote for him/her.

    nothing would eviscerate my talking points faster than that.

     
    Comments
      
      rum dick: Just got back from Hawaii and asked some of her constituents who have supported her for years (pre U.S. house) wtf happened to her. They don't know but they think she's a Russian asset and they're pissed off.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

  6. #1406
    Can you provide any evidence for a foreign power using social media campaigns/fake accounts to support Tulsi?

  7. #1407
    Nova Scotia's REAL #1 Webcam DJ sonatine's Avatar
    Reputation
    5455
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    23,961
    as of this morning, if you clicked on the hashtag, people were doing live analytics on the accounts behind it and a lot of seasoned, reputable OSINT specialists were having no difficulty agreeing on attribution. there were plenty of screen caps.

     
    Comments
      
      rum dick:
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

  8. #1408
    Nova Scotia's REAL #1 Webcam DJ sonatine's Avatar
    Reputation
    5455
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    23,961
    i love how blake is arguing that there is clearly a russian bot campaign promoting her, diggy is arguing that there is no such thing, but somehow they are in weird agreement that my surprise/disgust with her failure to condemn the behavior is the problem in this narrative.

     
    Comments
      
      rum dick: I mean
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

  9. #1409
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    as of this morning, if you clicked on the hashtag, people were doing live analytics on the accounts behind it and a lot of seasoned, reputable OSINT specialists were having no difficulty agreeing on attribution. there were plenty of screen caps.
    Oh, sounds totally legit. This reads like some bullshit Trump rambling. "Everyone was saying it, everyone agreed, we all knew..."

    Thanks for providing so much evidence. We're all convinced.

  10. #1410
    Nova Scotia's REAL #1 Webcam DJ sonatine's Avatar
    Reputation
    5455
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    23,961
    ben shapirdow destroys the liberal forensic analysis community with FACTS and LOGIC.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

  11. #1411
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    i love how blake is arguing that there is clearly a russian bot campaign promoting her, diggy is arguing that there is no such thing, but somehow they are in weird agreement that my surprise/disgust with her failure to condemn the behavior is the problem in this narrative.
    Maybe they don't want to see someone elected in the US who might escalate towards war with them.

    Watch this at 5:42:


    "One fact blows up this entire, nonsense propaganda, as well: you know who Russia favored in 2008 and 2012?

    Barack Obama.

    And it wasn't close. They much, much more preferred Obama."

    I wonder if MSNBC will bring that up as well? LOL

     
    Comments
      
      MumblesBadly: Spot on!

  12. #1412
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    ben shapirdow destroys the liberal forensic analysis community with FACTS and LOGIC.
    Embarrassing. Now you're denigrating facts/logic. What would you prefer?

  13. #1413
    Nova Scotia's REAL #1 Webcam DJ sonatine's Avatar
    Reputation
    5455
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    23,961
    diggy honestly youre sweet and you mean well but youre trying too hard.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

  14. #1414
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    i love how blake is arguing that there is clearly a russian bot campaign promoting her, diggy is arguing that there is no such thing, but somehow they are in weird agreement that my surprise/disgust with her failure to condemn the behavior is the problem in this narrative.
    i legit lol'd at this. i guess i agree that if russia's cybernerds are trying to promote tulsi, that should be called out. but on the other hand, assuming she did so, how can she win this narrative? the headline would be "tulsi admits russians are helping her campaign."

    there wouldn't be any nuanced discussion of it, or why the russians would quite naturally and reasonably be for an anti-war candidate. i just don't see how she can win here either way. if you can come up with some way she could spin this as a positive politically, you're smarter than me.

     
    Comments
      
      MumblesBadly: Agreed.

  15. #1415
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    diggy honestly youre sweet and you mean well but youre trying too hard.
    What's wrong with trying hard for what you believe in?

    So far all I've seen is bad-faith debate tactics / childish insults from you and - I know you don't care since we're all essentially anonymous - it's really disappointing to see.

  16. #1416
    Nova Scotia's REAL #1 Webcam DJ sonatine's Avatar
    Reputation
    5455
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    23,961
    ok im sorry youre disappointed.

     
    Comments
      
      duped_samaritan: #empathytine
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

  17. #1417
    Quote Originally Posted by diggydow View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    Ok. Do you ever read the shit you keep linking?

    "The author takes issue with the draft version"... and then shit got fixed. That's kinda how this always goes. That's more or less the purpose of drafts and showing said drafts to different departments working on these reports is a part of it. It would literally be pointless if people didn't let other individuals know their gripes about inaccuracies, inconsistencies, wording and whole lot other boring crap.

    OPCW ability to assign blame is currently in a grey area. It depends how frisky they feel and how blatant the guilty party was. No country that's involved in Syria relies on their work. Syria was bombed well before the draft report. After that report US has withdrawn troops from Syria. There's no correlation nor causality.

    For this to be Iraq 2.0 this report should have been used for something (it wasn't) and maybe you can guess what the direction American troops should have been.

    But hey maybe i'm wrong and you can start by telling what do you think is being alleged. I have no idea. Thought chain tends to be so fucking stupid that i don't really even bother guessing anymore.
    It was not corrected. The report that was released was heavily redacted and distorted to fit the narrative of a gas attack, and the OPCW workers were pressured by anonymous US government workers to release the falsified report. Here is an interview with the reporter covering the recent Wikileaks revelations:

    The "gas attacks" have been used as reason for the US to continue its presence in Syria + its heisting of the Syrian gov't's oil. They've also been used to justify the US's continue regime-change effort/war that's been in effect since 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore. This is where the US gov't armed terrorists to get rid of Assad, and the terrorists ended up forming ISIS - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/w...ain-trump.html
    Still the draft version. The person whose email was hacked isn't saying it's a cover-up and Syria is hella innocent. What he's saying is just pedantic bs because nerds. There's not a single nation on earth that did fuck all because of that draft report. No one did fuck all after the final report. Probably because that's not why OPCW exists.

    Syria was bombed before the fact finding mission took place.

    US has their own intelligence agencies. They don't need OPCW to tell them anything. They already know.

    Oh and distorting the narrative to fit a gas attack is what happens after a gas attack by just finding out what happened. There's no evidence of anything else. Only thing that nerds are arguing about is what gas was used.

     
    Comments
      
      duped_samaritan: this post is going to make diggy very angry

  18. #1418
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...i-gabbard.html

    What is she going to do when she loses the election?

    Her opponents have way more money than her and after the first few Democratic primaries and caucuses her campaign will be over.

    It will be difficult for her to just win Hawaii.




  19. #1419
    Gold duped_samaritan's Avatar
    Reputation
    424
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    2,327
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    if a foreign power is using social media campaigns populated by fake accounts to amplify and manipulate her message/brand to the detriment of our democracy, she should be willing to point that out.

    that shes refusing to and that she attacks people who do put a spotlight on it says a lot about her, and its all negative.
    She probably just really wants to be president.

     
    Comments
      
      blake: correct
      
      diggydow: NO WAY THAT COULD BE TRUE

  20. #1420
    Also just that we're clear on the "anti-war" side we have Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and Assad when talking about Syria. Russia, religious fanatics, a terrorist organization and dictator that has gassed and tortured his own people. I didn't bother underlining why Russia isn't down with peace and love cause most non-retards should know that by now. Like for real, Ukraine, casual assassinations and generally stirring shit up for funsies come to mind in the last 5 years. I'm sure you can change my mind with an appropriate youtube clip from RT.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 6 users browsing this thread. (2 members and 4 guests)

  1. Dan Druff,
  2. duped_samaritan

Similar Threads

  1. Give me the lowdown on the presidential race
    By Sloppy Joe in forum Flying Stupidity
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 02-02-2019, 01:45 PM
  2. My nomination for world's greatest MILF
    By CrackPipes and Kakfights in forum Flying Stupidity
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 04-18-2017, 05:16 PM
  3. Replies: 435
    Last Post: 11-05-2016, 08:45 AM
  4. Replies: 59
    Last Post: 04-21-2016, 01:57 PM
  5. CNN Democratic Debate Poll Thread
    By Tyde in forum Flying Stupidity
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 04-15-2016, 12:40 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •