Originally Posted by sonatine
the reasons you don't like tulsi are just baffling to me
the reasons you don't like tulsi are just baffling to me
Agree.Beto is a lightweight and an empty suit. He doesn't have Obama's smarts or savvy and has been out of his depth since announcing.
Obama was a great campaigner. Beto was only good at campaigning in Texas against a right-wing challenger, but not good at making himself stand out against other Democrats on a national stage.
He was also a freak and a weird dude, and did a good job suppressing that from coming out in his campaign against Cruz. I guess everyone was so busy focusing upon his populism and stark difference from Cruz that they didn't look at who and what Beto really was.
He was a guy who seemed weirder and more empty the more we learned about him. Old text files were found from the early 90s where he had written about a fantasy he had of running over random people and killing them. Yes, he was around 19-20 when he wrote that shit, but still, who would have fantasies about that and write about it? Everything you learned about the guy just made you feel something was "off" about him.
He was also constantly reinventing himself, with the final attempt involving becoming the "We're going to take your guns" guy, which just hurt Democrats as a whole with swing voters.
Here's an article from CNN which attempts to explain "why Beto O'Rourke fell so quickly", and it's kind of interesting to read, but like most things on CNN these days, it's poorly written and doesn't really explain what it claims it does. But here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/03/polit...led/index.html
Tulsi hasn't "eviscerated" any left-wing politician. Kamala Harris is pure establishment and backed by the Clinton machine, is not a progressive, and is not working to help you. All Tulsi did was tell the truth about Kamala - a competitor in a debate - and it broke her completely.
https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1065289231977738240.
And Tulsi has been consistent on her opinion of the Trump investigation. She just voted for the impeachment inquiry to continue, if it reassures you. She has stated repeatedly that it should be narrowly-focused and NOT a media circus, since it creates more bipartisanship and ultimately harms the country. Tulsi's entire message has always been about unity and not talking down to anyone, ever. It's part of the reason she gets support from Independents and even Republicans.
The double-standard in claiming Tulsi is a "fucking lunatic" for taking on an accusation OF AN EXECUTABLE CRIME head-on and confronting her accuser directly is mind-boggling, and I do not understand how you can make this criticism in good faith.
Tulsi gets little exposure in the media precisely because she is fighting against the establishment, against corporate interests, and against the military industrial complex. If you aren't aware of the close relationship between the CIA/MIC/MSM and what they all do to protect each other, I am happy to discuss and provide evidence.
Its amazing to see your ownage in a thread. Its quite nostalgic and brings me back to the golden age of these forums.
Question. Do you agree with every stance Tulsi makes? Is there a talking point that you disagree on? If so, which?
Tulsi hasn't "eviscerated" any left-wing politician. Kamala Harris is pure establishment and backed by the Clinton machine, is not a progressive, and is not working to help you. All Tulsi did was tell the truth about Kamala - a competitor in a debate - and it broke her completely.
https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1065289231977738240.
And Tulsi has been consistent on her opinion of the Trump investigation. She just voted for the impeachment inquiry to continue, if it reassures you. She has stated repeatedly that it should be narrowly-focused and NOT a media circus, since it creates more bipartisanship and ultimately harms the country. Tulsi's entire message has always been about unity and not talking down to anyone, ever. It's part of the reason she gets support from Independents and even Republicans.
The double-standard in claiming Tulsi is a "fucking lunatic" for taking on an accusation OF AN EXECUTABLE CRIME head-on and confronting her accuser directly is mind-boggling, and I do not understand how you can make this criticism in good faith.
Tulsi gets little exposure in the media precisely because she is fighting against the establishment, against corporate interests, and against the military industrial complex. If you aren't aware of the close relationship between the CIA/MIC/MSM and what they all do to protect each other, I am happy to discuss and provide evidence.
thing is, you are basically zero degrees removed from her message, so you get all these incredibly nuanced takes and see the entire spectrum of her campaign as she wishes it presented.
the rest of us are like 'wtf why is she on fox news and why did she stand up at the debates and say that pursuing charges against donald trump is partisan and divisive?'
so i get why youre frustrated but those of us who are just out here calling it like we see it, she's a hot republican with an antagonistic personality disorder, regardless of what her pamphlets say.
also this is absolutely batshit: "The double-standard in claiming Tulsi is a "fucking lunatic" for taking on an accusation OF AN EXECUTABLE CRIME head-on and confronting her accuser directly is mind-boggling, and I do not understand how you can make this criticism in good faith".
if your response to a baseless accusation is to escalate it, you arent presidential material.
also you can lecture me on the intelligence community when you get clearance.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
hey remember that time that gabbard went to syria in 2017 to chill with assad and came back and said the anti-assad rebels were no different than ISIS?
that was wild af.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
quick reminder that you perceive this comment as an accusation of an "executable offense":
CLINTON: They’re also going to do third party again. And I’m not making any predictions, but I think they’ve got their eye on somebody [Gabbard] who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians, they have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far. And that’s assuming [Green Party 2016 candidate] Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not, because she’s also a Russian asset.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
tine, you're really not giving any substantive reasons for your dislike of her. you're just like, nah i can't be bothered, which is ok i guess? sidenote, she would be the most liberal president of all time by miles.
it really is crazy that her beatdown of hillary, who called tulsi a russian asset, seems to be the tipping point for you. wtf is going on here
she's also an alt-right conspiracy theorist who hangs out on tucker carlson's show and loOooOooOoOves the pm of india, so fuck a tulsi gabbard.
also im sure a lot of people polling at 1.2% would be the most liberal president of all time by miles.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
i'm throughly confused about what alt-right is i guess
she's also an alt-right conspiracy theorist who hangs out on tucker carlson's show and loOooOooOoOves the pm of india, so fuck a tulsi gabbard.
also im sure a lot of people polling at 1.2% would be the most liberal president of all time by miles.
tulsi wants to speak to the manager immediately, blake.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
tine, do you realize that with his health, joe biden has a 10% chance of even being alive in november?
bernie sanders refers to himself as a democratic socialist and insists he's taking away your health care.
same with elizabeth warren (re healthcare), but oh yeah, she also called herself a native american for the first 68 years of her life, which is in no way reflective of someone with a personality disorder.
we might need you to get on board with an actual electable candidate
Better than having the manager killed and then say it was a suicide.
tulsi wants to speak to the manager immediately, blake.
were you day drinking?
also this is your solution?
https://twitter.com/twt/status/1186259081289318400
can you remind me what wars clinton mongered exactly and if its not too much trouble, can you show me how her apparently vast network of proxies are working to destroy tulsi's reputation, and if not, help me understand how thats an alt-right conspiracy theory when bannon says it but not when tulsi does?
you remember bannon, right?
huge tulsi fan btw.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
i meant to say bernie wants to take away your health insurance in favor of medicare for all, which is deeply unpopular.
were you day drinking?
i meant to say bernie wants to take away your health insurance in favor of medicare for all, which is deeply unpopular.
tbh i havent been following this closely because my understanding is that any solution he implements will come on the heels of him curb stomping the insurance/medical middle men who lobbied to make price gouging systemic and ubiquitous.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
were you day drinking?
also this is your solution?
https://twitter.com/twt/status/1186259081289318400
can you remind me what wars clinton mongered exactly and if its not too much trouble, can you show me how her apparently vast network of proxies are working to destroy tulsi's reputation, and if not, help me understand how thats an alt-right conspiracy theory when bannon says it but not when tulsi does?
you remember bannon, right?
huge tulsi fan btw.
we've reached a point where tine has emerged as hillary's number one fan. i don't even blame tine. this is what trump has done to us. (of course, i would vote for hillary or literally any other person alive over trump in 2020.)
but hillary has a long history of never being against any war, ever. in her defense, every politician on both sides of the aisle are also in favor of every war, always.... but you're right, why question whether that is sound policy?
and i think a lot of tulsi's histrionics about hillary are an attempt to get attention, which is understandable. on the other hand, tulsi made serious enemies when she endorsed bernie. i remember howard dean talking on msnbc about how all of the democrat candidates running were fantastic except tulsi. this might have been before she even announced. they all hate her, tine.
he wants to outlaw private insurance. now, maybe he's right and that's a good idea. i don't profess to be an expert. but i do know that such an idea sounds bad and scares the fuck out of me, as it does with most Americans.
tbh i havent been following this closely because my understanding is that any solution he implements will come on the heels of him curb stomping the insurance/medical middle men who lobbied to make price gouging systemic and ubiquitous.
bernie needs to go the more moderate (Tulsi-esque route), which is giving a public option but not making it mandatory
he wants to outlaw private insurance. now, maybe he's right and that's a good idea. i don't profess to be an expert. but i do know that such an idea sounds bad and scares the fuck out of me, as it does with most Americans.
bernie needs to go the more moderate (Tulsi-esque route), which is giving a public option but not making it mandatory
its hard for me to imagine bernie depriving people of health care when he's spent his entire adult life fighting to improve the quality of lower and middle class lives. he's barely a politician, he's an activist who allowed himself to be elected so he could do more good on a broader scale. so again i think the concerns that bernie is going to yank the rug out from people who cant afford their rug to begin with is unfounded and very much in line with the anti-left hysteria twitter narrative.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
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