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    Fascinating article. One could draw from it that if Elizabeth Warren ends up being elected president, she could attribute it partially to Team Obama being lukewarm-at-best in having her be the first head of the Consumer Financial Protection Board, and convinced her instead to run for Ted Kennedy’s old US Senate seat won by the GOP candidate in that special election in early 2010. They even helped her campaign to get big money donors for her first Senate campaign.

    https://apple.news/AhNo0BzPeTVW-gwb3ILH34A

    P.S. Oh, and add that Team Obama fucked up responding to the 2008 Financial Crisis by not prosecuting *any* of the execs or major players of the big banks/financial institutions. What a clusterfuck of the federal government essentially rewarding those execs for their companys’ malfeasance and prolific mortgage fraud.
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    watched about 20 mins of this clown show. I'm voting for Trump in 2020

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    i didn't watch much of it but was watching when castro went off on biden for supposedly forgetting what biden just said; i.e., calling biden old.

    that was extremely cringeworthy and made me think his political career is now over.

     
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    You need to be drunk and/or high on drugs if your going to be watching these political debates.

    Then some of this shit they say will start to make sense.



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    his eye exploded last week. this week his teeth nearly fell out mid-debate


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    pretty sure that was a cough drop in his mouth
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    $1,000/month freeroll. Yang2020.com. Don't get shut out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    his eye exploded last week. this week his teeth nearly fell out mid-debate

    But he has a fantastic plan for how parents these days can raise their kids better.

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    I feel sorry for...Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, Julian Castro, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O'Rourke and Andrew Yang.

    They have no chance.

    People are getting sick of them talking about shit which is impossible to accomplish in Washington, DC unless you have a super-majority in Congress and the U.S. Senate which is impossible to obtain.

    If only they had balls. The balls to threaten the fuck out of Trump. The balls to change the fucking system.

    That's one thing the democrats are known for zero balls.


     
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    Tom Steyer bought his way into the October debate, which means unlike this debate it'll be held on two separate nights again. 6 hours baby!

    And Julian Castro is just running to be Warren's VP at this point

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    The healthcare portion of the debate -- which is the only part I've watched so far besides the lol pandering racism segment -- was pretty bad.

    Not a single candidate up there understood what the fuck they were talking about.

    You had the moderates talking about how people should be able to "keep their insurance if they like it" instead of being forced onto Medicare For All, but they couldn't articulate WHY people would want to keep their insurance if Medicare For All would allow them to keep their doctors and still get covered.

    You had the mainstream leftists talking about a public option, allowing people to choose between utilizing Medicare For All or going with private insurance, but again they failed to explain WHY anyone would choose the private insurance option over the free Medicare option which their tax dollars already funded.

    You had the extreme leftists talking about Medicare For All saving the country so much money overall, yet the savings figures they quoted were "$23 billion, which insurance companies profited". Umm... the US healthcare expenditures in 2017 were $3.5 trillion. Taking that $23 billion profit away from insurance companies would be a whopping 0.6% savings in cost. But it wouldn't even be a savings, because utilization of healthcare would skyrocket once everything became "free" , thus sending overall costs through the roof. They couldn't explain where these savings would come from, nor could they fully explain where the funding would come from.

    Aside from some lip service about pharmaceuticals, there wasn't any real attempt to address the biggest healthcare crisis in the US -- cost.

    The moderates completely blew it by failing to point out that Medicare For All would cause horrible wait times to see doctors and get procedures done, as is the case in other countries with socialized medicine. It would be even worse here, because the US already has a doctor shortage. Instead, they just blathered on about "people want to keep their insurance", not understanding that it's not INSURANCE people want to keep, but rather a system which doesn't get crushed by overutilization and extreme taxpayer burden.

    Warren played fast and loose with the term "cost", claiming that it would "cost" middle class families less overall under Medicare For All, but sneakily qualified it by saying that she was including "the end of denied procedures and denied prescirptions" as far as the supposed "savings". So what she was really saying was that, with the tax increase, cost for most middle class families would go UP, but a few people who would have otherwise been denied certain procedures might get accepted now. What a bunch of bullshit double-talk. And no one was aware enough to call her on it.

    Biden laughably failed to defend attacks on Obamacare -- basically what he supports as his health care plan -- when his opponents were claiming that his insurance plan "leaves 10 million Americans not covered". What? Obamacare guarantees acceptance regardless of preexisting conditions, and also subsidizes healthcare (to the point of premiums being free) for low and lower-middle class Americans. So yes, his plan does cover everyone who puts out the most minimal effort to sign up. Sleepy Joe didn't articulate this and just uttered 1-liners like a dope.

    At the same time, his opponents didn't attack the ACTUAL flaws of Obamacare, namely the sky-high rise in premiums since it was implemented, and the low acceptance rate by doctors, especially well-rated ones.

    There was also so much dick sucking of Obama during that segment, because it was said that the candidates at the earlier debates were too derisive of Obama's plans, in attempt to criticize Biden, and that rubbed some Democratic voters the wrong way.

    Mayor Pete had little of substance to say in this one, as per usual.

    What a fucking fail. It's not just that I disagree with these healthcare approaches. It's that none of the candidates even understand what problems they're tackling.

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    im obv a hater but how bad are these candidates. its Hillary's fault really. what we're seeing now is who should have been running in 2016 if Hillary didn't bulldoze out the field 8 years in advance. they are running nothing but standard politician trash. yang is the best option up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
    im obv a hater but how bad are these candidates. its Hillary's fault really. what we're seeing now is who should have been running in 2016 if Hillary didn't bulldoze out the field 8 years in advance. they are running nothing but standard politician trash. yang is the best option up there
    Well Bernie did run but the DNC rigged it for Hillary.

    Only reason Trump won in 2016 was because the Dems are train wrecks. Itís funny to me that they claim to be the smarter and more educated party but never learn from their mistakes.

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    im obv a hater but how bad are these candidates. its Hillary's fault really. what we're seeing now is who should have been running in 2016 if Hillary didn't bulldoze out the field 8 years in advance. they are running nothing but standard politician trash. yang is the best option up there
    Well Bernie did run but the DNC rigged it for Hillary.

    Only reason Trump won in 2016 was because the Dems are train wrecks. Itís funny to me that they claim to be the smarter and more educated party but never learn from their mistakes.

    100% rigged. the only 2 others they allowed to run had 0 shot. Lincoln chafee or something and some guy from virginia or something. Bernie was an independent who the DNC eventually made be their bitch anyways. honestly probably went down "ur wife committed some campaign violations possibly, we could really screw her or u become our bitch what do u say?!"

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    "Joe Biden is bad and if he's the nominee he's going to lose and the 9-month long process of watching him lose is going to be excruciating, like one of those 80s movie scenes where an older white character raps."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The healthcare portion of the debate -- which is the only part I've watched so far besides the lol pandering racism segment -- was pretty bad.

    Not a single candidate up there understood what the fuck they were talking about.

    You had the moderates talking about how people should be able to "keep their insurance if they like it" instead of being forced onto Medicare For All, but they couldn't articulate WHY people would want to keep their insurance if Medicare For All would allow them to keep their doctors and still get covered.

    You had the mainstream leftists talking about a public option, allowing people to choose between utilizing Medicare For All or going with private insurance, but again they failed to explain WHY anyone would choose the private insurance option over the free Medicare option which their tax dollars already funded.

    You had the extreme leftists talking about Medicare For All saving the country so much money overall, yet the savings figures they quoted were "$23 billion, which insurance companies profited". Umm... the US healthcare expenditures in 2017 were $3.5 trillion. Taking that $23 billion profit away from insurance companies would be a whopping 0.6% savings in cost. But it wouldn't even be a savings, because utilization of healthcare would skyrocket once everything became "free" , thus sending overall costs through the roof. They couldn't explain where these savings would come from, nor could they fully explain where the funding would come from.

    Aside from some lip service about pharmaceuticals, there wasn't any real attempt to address the biggest healthcare crisis in the US -- cost.


    The moderates completely blew it by failing to point out that Medicare For All would cause horrible wait times to see doctors and get procedures done, as is the case in other countries with socialized medicine. It would be even worse here, because the US already has a doctor shortage. Instead, they just blathered on about "people want to keep their insurance", not understanding that it's not INSURANCE people want to keep, but rather a system which doesn't get crushed by overutilization and extreme taxpayer burden.

    Warren played fast and loose with the term "cost", claiming that it would "cost" middle class families less overall under Medicare For All, but sneakily qualified it by saying that she was including "the end of denied procedures and denied prescirptions" as far as the supposed "savings". So what she was really saying was that, with the tax increase, cost for most middle class families would go UP, but a few people who would have otherwise been denied certain procedures might get accepted now. What a bunch of bullshit double-talk. And no one was aware enough to call her on it.

    Biden laughably failed to defend attacks on Obamacare -- basically what he supports as his health care plan -- when his opponents were claiming that his insurance plan "leaves 10 million Americans not covered". What? Obamacare guarantees acceptance regardless of preexisting conditions, and also subsidizes healthcare (to the point of premiums being free) for low and lower-middle class Americans. So yes, his plan does cover everyone who puts out the most minimal effort to sign up. Sleepy Joe didn't articulate this and just uttered 1-liners like a dope.

    At the same time, his opponents didn't attack the ACTUAL flaws of Obamacare, namely the sky-high rise in premiums since it was implemented, and the low acceptance rate by doctors, especially well-rated ones.

    There was also so much dick sucking of Obama during that segment, because it was said that the candidates at the earlier debates were too derisive of Obama's plans, in attempt to criticize Biden, and that rubbed some Democratic voters the wrong way.

    Mayor Pete had little of substance to say in this one, as per usual.

    What a fucking fail. It's not just that I disagree with these healthcare approaches. It's that none of the candidates even understand what problems they're tackling.
    You understand that the real fight, if there is to be a national healthcare program, will be with the doctors and hospitals.
    Canada's national health care covers everything. Doctor and hospital visits are covered fully. These doctors and hospitals
    cannot charge as they wish. There are your savings,there is your fight. The only waits come in the non emergency specialty procedures like hip replacements.

    People are not dying due to long wait times. It's not perfect but it's better than what you have according to most.

    Also how much time was each candidate allowed to speak on the subject. Impossible to speak about a complex issue with so little time

    You say they didn't address the real issue cost. What do you think makes your system so expensive.
    Uncontrolled billing by doctors and hospitals. Private enterprise is no good for health care or prisons.


    "Canada spends less per capita on health-care than the United States and performs better on a wide range of indicators like life expectancy, obesity rates, infant mortality and “amenable mortality”— deaths that theoretically could have been avoided by timely and effective medical care".

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/23/canadas-health-care-system-is-a-point-of-national-pride-but-a-study-shows-it-might-be-stalled/



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    im obv a hater but how bad are these candidates. its Hillary's fault really. what we're seeing now is who should have been running in 2016 if Hillary didn't bulldoze out the field 8 years in advance. they are running nothing but standard politician trash. yang is the best option up there
    Wait, I like Amy Klobuchar

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Biden laughably failed to defend attacks on Obamacare -- basically what he supports as his health care plan -- when his opponents were claiming that his insurance plan "leaves 10 million Americans not covered". What? Obamacare guarantees acceptance regardless of preexisting conditions, and also subsidizes healthcare (to the point of premiums being free) for low and lower-middle class Americans. So yes, his plan does cover everyone who puts out the most minimal effort to sign up. Sleepy Joe didn't articulate this and just uttered 1-liners like a dope.


    The federal subsidies for a Obamacare plan issued by an private health insurance company are not sufficient enough to make health insurance affordable for millions of the working poor and lower middle class. That’s why the ACA also included the option for states to opt into expanding Medicaid to include individuals and families making too much income to qualify for pre-ACA Medicare but too little to afford a private Obamacare plan. And lots of “red” states refuse to accept expanded Medicare, leaving those folks out in the lurch re not being able to afford health care insurance.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ured-obamacare
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