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    you know, i'm watching bernie get interviewed by maddow right now and think he comes off as 1000 times more likable than when he's in campaign mode.

    he's actually selling me on medicare for all.

    his interview with rogan is another example of this.

    when he tries to package himself for 'the big stage' its just a cringey fucking disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    you know, i'm watching bernie get interviewed by maddow right now and think he comes off as 1000 times more likable than when he's in campaign mode.

    he's actually selling me on medicare for all.
    Ready for super high taxes and waiting 4 months to get care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    you know, i'm watching bernie get interviewed by maddow right now and think he comes off as 1000 times more likable than when he's in campaign mode.

    he's actually selling me on medicare for all.
    Ready for super high taxes and waiting 4 months to get care?
    you ruined it for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    Ready for super high taxes and waiting 4 months to get care?
    you ruined it for me
    Bernie does have a way of making it sound so good and sensible. Add that to the line of "every first world country does it except us, and they have longer life expectancies", and it's easy to support without really researching the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    you know, i'm watching bernie get interviewed by maddow right now and think he comes off as 1000 times more likable than when he's in campaign mode.

    he's actually selling me on medicare for all.
    Ready for super high taxes and waiting 4 months to get care?
    By comparison

    "U.S. federal income tax brackets range from 10% to 37% for individuals. In Canada, the range is 15% to 33%. In the U.S., the lowest tax bracket for the tax year ending 2019 is 10% for an individual earning $9,700 and jumps to 22% for those earning $39,476. The corresponding bottom Canadian bracket stays at 15% until $47,630. This is the bulk of the reason that lower-income Canadians are often better off than their American counterparts."

    https://www.investopedia.com/financi...americans.aspx

    Oh and just to rub it in a bit, you know the Financial Crisis y'all just went through ten years ago?
    Didn't know it happened till after the fact. Wasn't touched by it

    Segregate, deregulate, suffer

    You just went through your shite Medical process and you come out with this?

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    its super possible that biden gets himself a sarah palin caliber vp who manages to find the nearest camera before demanding that ice and the cia be forced to wear the black.
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    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    These discussions are just lol. Hilldawg brought out more moderates than Biden ever will, and someone tell me how you expect this guy to excite voters and somehow not lose worse than Hillary did? None of these candidates have a chance, Bernie at least could possibly resonate more with the youth and black vote a la Obama and possibly shake things up on the fully national stage. Biden is literally just a less appealing Clinton to the average voter, and the creepy Joe thing is going to ruin him if he gets the nomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    you ruined it for me
    Bernie does have a way of making it sound so good and sensible. Add that to the line of "every first world country does it except us, and they have longer life expectancies", and it's easy to support without really researching the truth.
    Challenge: Try and go a month without saying something to the tune of "it sounds good in theory, but it doesn't work when you really think about it."

    You say it every week on the radio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    you ruined it for me
    Bernie does have a way of making it sound so good and sensible. Add that to the line of "every first world country does it except us, and they have longer life expectancies", and it's easy to support without really researching the truth.
    His plan is more extreme, but those countries in the middle definitely seem like they're on to something, no?



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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
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    Bernie does have a way of making it sound so good and sensible. Add that to the line of "every first world country does it except us, and they have longer life expectancies", and it's easy to support without really researching the truth.
    His plan is def more extreme, but those countries in the middle definitely seem like they're on to something, no?



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    AND what is left out of the question is the cost of military interests. Not many Americans dare speak out about the exorbitant costs involved in defending against the evil out there or in other words maintaining a dominant self indulgent presence in the world.

    The richest country ever rots from within because of it's nature of greed and ignorance

    I must say you're following a time honored template

    OMG would I love to go on.....just google hatred vs. U.S.A.
    You're sure to come up with plenty
    It's not just me.

    You're so close to being gonged it's not funny.
    Chuck Berris would be proud

    Suck on a Shake Shack

    VaughnP staring on with disbelief
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnP View Post
    These discussions are just lol. Hilldawg brought out more moderates than Biden ever will, and someone tell me how you expect this guy to excite voters and somehow not lose worse than Hillary did? None of these candidates have a chance, Bernie at least could possibly resonate more with the youth and black vote a la Obama and possibly shake things up on the fully national stage. Biden is literally just a less appealing Clinton to the average voter, and the creepy Joe thing is going to ruin him if he gets the nomination.

    i'm not telling you biden will win, but as a matter of scientific fact, biden is three trillion times better with black voters than bernie. not sure why that's true, but it's proven by the exit polls. i think it has to do with bernie's angry old jewish man vibe. if bernie was even slightly better with black voters, this race would be over and biden would have dropped out today.

    a democrat simply can't win the general election without the black vote, and since biden has it, he has a chance.

    counterpoint, biden is suffering from full-blown dementia.

    so coinflip imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnP View Post
    These discussions are just lol. Hilldawg brought out more moderates than Biden ever will, and someone tell me how you expect this guy to excite voters and somehow not lose worse than Hillary did? None of these candidates have a chance, Bernie at least could possibly resonate more with the youth and black vote a la Obama and possibly shake things up on the fully national stage. Biden is literally just a less appealing Clinton to the average voter, and the creepy Joe thing is going to ruin him if he gets the nomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krypt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnP View Post
    These discussions are just lol. Hilldawg brought out more moderates than Biden ever will, and someone tell me how you expect this guy to excite voters and somehow not lose worse than Hillary did? None of these candidates have a chance, Bernie at least could possibly resonate more with the youth and black vote a la Obama and possibly shake things up on the fully national stage. Biden is literally just a less appealing Clinton to the average voter, and the creepy Joe thing is going to ruin him if he gets the nomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    you ruined it for me
    Bernie does have a way of making it sound so good and sensible. Add that to the line of "every first world country does it except us, and they have longer life expectancies", and it's easy to support without really researching the truth.
    The truth is if Bernie Sanders isn't the Democratic nominee, Bernie Bros will not support Joe Biden.

    Bernie Bros will either not vote or vote for Donald Trump.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
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    Bernie does have a way of making it sound so good and sensible. Add that to the line of "every first world country does it except us, and they have longer life expectancies", and it's easy to support without really researching the truth.
    The truth is if Bernie Sanders isn't the Democratic nominee, Bernie Bros will not support Joe Biden.

    Bernie Bros will either not vote or vote for Donald Trump.

    Almost never disagree with you but this is something I can't imagine to be true

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    Current delegate count...

    Joe Biden...566 delegates

    Bernie Sanders...501 delegates

    Elizabeth Warren...61 delegates

    Mike Bloomberg...53 delegates

    Pete Buttigieg...26 delegates

    Amy Klobuchar...7 delegates

    Tulsi Gabbard...1 delegate



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    its interesting to me that approximately 100% of the teambiden sosh media posts i see are inclusive, confident, positive, goal oriented, and emotionally even keeled, while 100% of the teambernie posts are literally RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE E.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

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    I have to admire the DNC for one thing.

    They finally stood up to the Berniebro lunatic fringe progressive wing, and said enough is enough.

    They pandered to them for years, and finally they threw up their hands and puched the entire movement in the nose.

    For so long, we've seen little whispers from them trying to hint that extremism just hurts the party and helps Republicans win, and it's been ignored and scoffed at. The continuous message out of the left was, "Either you're for everything we say, or you're an evil corporatist shill who is just as bad as the Republicans."

    They allowed themselves to get browbeat by this small, vocal minority, until the vocal minority grew and wasn't so small anymore, because it became the party norm. The rational thought got booed off the stage for too long, and the new normal was insanity. We had Presidential candidates listing their (super obvious) preferred pronouns on their Twitter! That's how bad it got.

    The DNC finally had enough, pooled their influence, came up with a plan, and spanked Bernie into near-oblivion. This despite the fact that their own "viable" candidate was a senile weirdo who flopped badly in every other attempt he made to run for President. They got together, pressured the right people, got the right dropouts and endorsements, and this confused stooge killed it on Super Tuesday.

    The DNC took back their party from the freaks, at least for now. They're still gonna lose to Trump, and what they did doesn't really speak well for the democracy they claim they hold so dear, but at least I give them credit for finally standing up to the militant segment ruining their party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I have to admire the DNC for one thing.

    They finally stood up to the Berniebro lunatic fringe progressive wing, and said enough is enough.

    They pandered to them for years, and finally they threw up their hands and puched the entire movement in the nose.

    For so long, we've seen little whispers from them trying to hint that extremism just hurts the party and helps Republicans win, and it's been ignored and scoffed at. The continuous message out of the left was, "Either you're for everything we say, or you're an evil corporatist shill who is just as bad as the Republicans."

    They allowed themselves to get browbeat by this small, vocal minority, until the vocal minority grew and wasn't so small anymore, because it became the party norm. The rational thought got booed off the stage for too long, and the new normal was insanity. We had Presidential candidates listing their (super obvious) preferred pronouns on their Twitter! That's how bad it got.

    The DNC finally had enough, pooled their influence, came up with a plan, and spanked Bernie into near-oblivion. This despite the fact that their own "viable" candidate was a senile weirdo who flopped badly in every other attempt he made to run for President. They got together, pressured the right people, got the right dropouts and endorsements, and this confused stooge killed it on Super Tuesday.

    The DNC took back their party from the freaks, at least for now. They're still gonna lose to Trump, and what they did doesn't really speak well for the democracy they claim they hold so dear, but at least I give them credit for finally standing up to the militant segment ruining their party.

    Well..... considering they did the same shit 4 years ago I wouldn’t say this is a “new thing”.

    That said it is a good thing for the rest of us.

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