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    diggydow, comment??
    And yet you can't spare $5 for OSA's travel fund? Very disrespectful

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts View Post
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    When I was in Seattle I was accosted non-stop by bums and homeless people. I literally almost got stabbed by a syringe when a homeless person approached me. I don't know what is going on with your downtown, but I want nothing apart it ever again. I could have been infected.
    The unfortunately result of progressivism and what all jurisdictions can look forward to when you decriminalize crime.
    You got that right. And it’s all being done, even in red states, under the guise of “criminal justice reform.” We are sheep being led to slaughter. Lullz politicians who don’t live in the same reality as their constituents.

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    How about New York, where they can't set a cash bail for anything besides the most violent of violent crimes, thus forcing them to kick loose violent criminals, who just go right back out and re-offend?

    And yes, that's already happened numerous times since this started in November.

    Lol @ the American left's attempts at criminal justice. Just a complete disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    How about New York, where they can't set a cash bail for anything besides the most violent of violent crimes, thus forcing them to kick loose violent criminals, who just go right back out and re-offend?

    And yes, that's already happened numerous times since this started in November.

    Lol @ the American left's attempts at criminal justice. Just a complete disaster.


    It is not just the left, I live in a red state and it is and has been an ongoing effort here. It's done for two reasons - 1. so republicans can pat themselves on their back as being sympathetic to the plight of these misguided souls and 2. to save money on building new prisons that they can use to buy votes with. again, these crimes aren't happening to the politicians or their families or else this wouldn't be the result -- same thing with tort deform. meanwhile the sheep think this is a positive thing, lol, as the wolves remain at large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    would you rather have bernie fail to turn this country into a welfare state or would you rather have trump succeed in turning into a fascist idiocracy.
    i'd probably vote for anyone other than trump, so i'd take option a.

    that said, i don't think many people will view this in the pragmatic way you are. i think there are a whole lot of people like tony b who are doing well financially and would not vote for a socialist (democratic or otherwise) under any circumstances. they think it will actually make their lives worse, beginning with a stock market crash.

    of course, my predictions suck and change every other day.
    Blake, you're right but for the wrong reasons. I'm not voting for a socialist under any circumstances, but the reasons aren't egocentric. My successes and failures in life are my responsibility. Not the president, not congress, and not the supreme court. Part of the problem is that too many people think only of themselves and not what's best for the whole.

    I think socialism is dangerous, but I don't think my life will change much regardless of who's elected in November. And I'm certainly not worried about the stock market. While I don't want anyone to lose money or their job, the business cycle exists for a reason and the market will enter bear territory eventually. This is ultimately healthy, if painful, and works to reset asset prices.

    I'm a decade and a half away from retirement so a stock market retreat would actually be welcomed. If I was closer to retirement I'd be diversified enough to handle any sort of market pull back. Again, I decide the terms of my life, not the government. That's the point.

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    democrats are the party of high taxes, high crime, open borders, late term abortions, socialism and blatant corruption.

    -d trump...nj rally. 2020


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    Johnny Manziel will be the 1st pick in the draft. I truly believe not only will Johnny Manziel be rookie of the year, quite possibly he will be MVP as his style will shock defensive coordinators. Manziel may only be 6 feet tall, but he has size 15 feet. And he has HUGE hands. I know some NFL scouts so I know what I am talking about.



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    Another Dem trying to fight crazy with crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    i'd probably vote for anyone other than trump, so i'd take option a.

    that said, i don't think many people will view this in the pragmatic way you are. i think there are a whole lot of people like tony b who are doing well financially and would not vote for a socialist (democratic or otherwise) under any circumstances. they think it will actually make their lives worse, beginning with a stock market crash.

    of course, my predictions suck and change every other day.
    Blake, you're right but for the wrong reasons. I'm not voting for a socialist under any circumstances, but the reasons aren't egocentric. My successes and failures in life are my responsibility. Not the president, not congress, and not the supreme court. Part of the problem is that too many people think only of themselves and not what's best for the whole.

    I think socialism is dangerous, but I don't think my life will change much regardless of who's elected in November. And I'm certainly not worried about the stock market. While I don't want anyone to lose money or their job, the business cycle exists for a reason and the market will enter bear territory eventually. This is ultimately healthy, if painful, and works to reset asset prices.

    I'm a decade and a half away from retirement so a stock market retreat would actually be welcomed. If I was closer to retirement I'd be diversified enough to handle any sort of market pull back. Again, I decide the terms of my life, not the government. That's the point.

    i hear you, and to be clear, i didn't mean "people like tony b" in a disparaging way. i'm probably in that same category

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
    democrats are the party of high taxes, high crime, open borders, late term abortions, socialism and blatant corruption.

    -d trump...nj rally. 2020




    Achoker Flubadamumbabub look look wait

    -d trump...nj rally. 2020



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    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
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    Most on the left don't want to talk about this, but the truth is that the black community as a whole views gays in 2020 the same way this country viewed gay people in 1985.

    White liberals don't fully realize this because their white counterparts are all very accepting of gays, and even many of their white conservative friends have warmed up to gay marriage and general acceptance of gay relationships. But black people -- even ones normally liberal about other issues -- just don't aren't comfortable with gay people and gay relationships, and thus they will vote for any other Democrat besides Buttigieg. And honestly, some would vote for Trump.
    did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

    the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

    all the while don lemon is loling

    this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.

    According to this latest poll, and in the context of what they were discussing (the impeachment trial), Don Lemon and his guests in that segment were only “mocking” a little over a quarter of the country, not the “half” claimed by the gentlemen who host that YouTube show.

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    I actually hope this [second impeachment] succeeds, because I want Trump put down politically like a sick, 14-year-old dog. ... I don't want him complicating the 2024 primary season. I just want him done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post

    did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

    the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

    all the while don lemon is loling

    this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.

    According to this latest poll, and in the context of what they were discussing (the impeachment trial), Don Lemon and his guests in that segment were only “mocking” a little over a quarter of the country, not the “half” claimed by the gentlemen who host that YouTube show.

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    "Snowflakes triggered over politically incorrect anchor"

     
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    I'm not triggered by that idiotic discussion on CNN. On the contrary, I'm happy that they're still doing this shit and haven't learned from 2016.

    I love it when the arrogant left looks down upon everyone aside from coastal educated elites. Just keeps driving more blue collar voters to the Republican Party.

    These idiots just refuse to get it. The way to get blue collar swing voters back is to validate their concerns and then convince them you're going to both listen to them and make their life better. The left instead talks down to them, and their form of "help" involves free stuff which these people don't want in the first place.

    The left's message is, "You're a dumb hick, your religion is a joke, and you enjoy all kinds of privilege for being white and heterosexual. Now sit down, shut up, and let the smarter folks get you some free things we say you need, which we will fund off the backs of rich people."

    Then they wonder why these people vote for Trump.

    So yeah, CNN, let's see some more mocking of Trump-voting hicks. I'm lovin' it!

     
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    The funny thing is that Trump can't actually relate to blue collar swing voters. He's never been one of them, and he hasn't really associated much with them in his lifetime.

    However, he's incredibly good at understanding people's concerns and saying what they want to hear. This got him both the Republican nomination and the general election of 2016.

    Democrats are really bad at this. They are so over-concerned with identity politics and never validating the "concerns of the ignorant" that they can't bring themselves to treat the blue collar swing voter respectfully, nor can they effectively pretend to be concerned with their plight. Instead it's, "Trump doesn't care about you" and "Here's some free things we will get you", neither of which really plays very well with that crowd.

    Trump can speak to these people about their concerns while not offending his base. The Democrats can't. That's the real problem here.

    Much like Republicans are making a mistake letting the potential Hispanic vote get away, Democrats are letting the white blue collar vote get away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I love it when the arrogant left looks down upon everyone aside from coastal educated elites.
    Buddy... what do you think you are?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Anyway, when the economy is booming, you're not going to get across the message of "terrible consequences if we elect Trump" if we've already had Trump for one term and the consequences aren't terrible.
    I agreed with your general argument but smiled with “booming economy”

    All time highs on Wall Street, record employment, corporate earnings surprise..........

    and yet you brow beat the Fed Chairman Powell into cutting interest rates back toward zero. WHY? They just swung below 0% in Germany and France.

    Yeah, we’re good.

    Junk bonds are 5%. Not 12% or 17%. Risk is mispriced. This is exactly like every other credit bubble. Most recently 2008. Greenspan lowers interest rates to near zero following Sept 11 and the train could not be stopped. Investors bought mispriced risky shit like mortgage backed securities.

    Nobody wanted to stop the addiction and feel a little necessary pain.

    The cycle repeats itself. It always gets corrected... it just hurts worse each time it happens. Trump will almost certainly dodge the crisis but he might not. No one knows when or exactly how but it’ll come.


    Back to tennis

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Then they wonder why these people vote for Trump.
    Voted for Trump*

    One time.

    Over 3 years ago.

    And within a couple months a lot of them seem to have regretted it, and have regretted it ever since.
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    regardless of what happens going forward you can never, EVER take this speech away from Joe Biden:


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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Then they wonder why these people vote for Trump.
    Voted for Trump*

    One time.

    Over 3 years ago.

    And within a couple months a lot of them seem to have regretted it, and have regretted it ever since.
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    If they regret it and are considering voting Democrat this time around, the worst thing you can do is insult them, belittle them, and tell them how "privileged" they are to be white and heterosexual.

    That will just drive voters dissatisfied with Trump back to Trump, the same way a woman goes back to her abusive ex-boyfriend after dating a few guys she perceives to be even worse.

    That's human nature.

    The left is so wrapped up in identity politics and the victim olympics that they don't see the people they're driving away. They just blame "racism", "sexism", "homophobia", "ignorance", etc.

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