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    biden matches up better in swing states against trump than any other democrat. pennsylvania would be a lock for biden
    Tell me who can win Pa, Oh, Mi, Wi, Fl and I’ll tell you who they should nominate.

    Bernie winning Iowa would change nothing nor should it be considered important because Trump is going to carry the state. NH doesn’t matter either because Trump in all likelihood won’t win no matter who he is running against.

    Biden is who can win these important states. He should be the nominee if the DNC is serious about this race.

    Wrong, hillary won NH by 3k+ votes and it was a possible scam that cost me 10k+

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    Hillary is the biggest scammer on the planet, Muh Ukraine is a scam to knife Biden


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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    but "don't worry, he can't accomplish any of the things he's running on," doesn't seem like the best reason to vote for the guy.

    would you rather have bernie fail to turn this country into a welfare state or would you rather have trump succeed in turning into a fascist idiocracy.
    i'd probably vote for anyone other than trump, so i'd take option a.

    that said, i don't think many people will view this in the pragmatic way you are. i think there are a whole lot of people like tony b who are doing well financially and would not vote for a socialist (democratic or otherwise) under any circumstances. they think it will actually make their lives worse, beginning with a stock market crash.

    of course, my predictions suck and change every other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Then Trump wins relatively easily.

    Bernie is dangerous enough that I'd vote for Trump over him, and I borderline hate Trump.

    Enough people feel the same way I do which is why I'm confident Bernie doesn't win the nomination. It will still be Biden.

    Bernie is dangerous to no one honestly. Make a list of the things he could accomplish without bipartisan support. He wont even have dem support for his big ticket items.

    Hes going to be a one termer but he its going to be a very relaxed term with a lot of environmental initiatives and general 'lets fuck the little guy less' moments.
    I could get behind this if I believed it, especially if it meant a Trump free reboot of the Republican party.

    There's already a move left in the House and if the D's retook the Senate I could envision a move to eliminate the filibuster completely.

    No thanks.

    Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, any of the three B's would get my vote. So would Klobuchar frankly and I don't like her at all.

     
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    The message of, "If Trump gets elected, awful things X and Y will happen to this country" isn't going to work this time around.

    We've had Trump for 3 years, the economy is the best it's been in a long time, and the average American hasn't seen any major change for the worse.

    The "rise of white supremacist groups", often cited by histrionic people on the left or the media, is a bunch of nonsense, and those type of crimes account for a tiny percentage of overall crime in this country. In truth, Obama actually hurt race relations more than Trump ever could, but that's a different subject for a different time.

    Anyway, when the economy is booming, you're not going to get across the message of "terrible consequences if we elect Trump" if we've already had Trump for one term and the consequences aren't terrible.

    This is why the "fascist idiocracy" scare tactics from people like sonatine are so laughable at this point. Time to leave that line in 2016 and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The DNC really, really, really doesn't want Bernie to win the nomination.

    They hate him. But he just might if Warren's support craters off quickly.

    However, he still isn't doing well with the black vote (not as bad as Buttigieg, but still bad), so he's gonna get killed versus Biden in any state where blacks make up a healthy percentage of the Democratic voters. Iowa is lily white, as is New Hampshire (both over 90% white), so those don't really mean as much as people think. Bernie has an additional edge in NH because of its proximity to Vermont (he destroyed Hillary in NH in 2016), so again, that's not really a referendum on his chances of being the nominee.

    I will say that a brokered convention is looking more likely.
    EXCLUSIVE POLL: Just as Many African-Americans Say They’d Consider Voting for Bernie Sanders as Joe Biden

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z...s-as-joe-biden


     
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    VICE is garbage. I don't trust their poll.

    The 17% considering Buttigieg is especially suspect.

    And what does "considering voting" mean? In the primary? In the general election? Either one?

    Sounds like either one, which becomes a whole different ballgame than the primary. The black voter who would have a 0.0% chance of supporting Buttigieg in the primary may still vote for him against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts View Post
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    Bernie is dangerous to no one honestly. Make a list of the things he could accomplish without bipartisan support. He wont even have dem support for his big ticket items.

    Hes going to be a one termer but he its going to be a very relaxed term with a lot of environmental initiatives and general 'lets fuck the little guy less' moments.
    I could get behind this if I believed it, especially if it meant a Trump free reboot of the Republican party.

    There's already a move left in the House and if the D's retook the Senate I could envision a move to eliminate the filibuster completely.

    No thanks.

    Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, any of the three B's would get my vote. So would Klobuchar frankly and I don't like her at all.
    Thankfully you live on the West Coast where your vote is absolutely meaningless. You could vote for Stalin and nobody would care. LOL at the state of Washington. I was in Seattle a few months ago and talk about a shithole.

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    at one point i thought any democrat would beat trump because trump couldn't expand his base and every young person and minority that stayed home in 2016 would come out in 2020.

    now i don't think so.

    the shock of trump has probably worn off for many of the never trumpers who voted for hillary but would much rather have trump than a socialist. trump might expand his base depending on his opponent

    bernie loses every state right?

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    Most on the left don't want to talk about this, but the truth is that the black community as a whole views gays in 2020 the same way this country viewed gay people in 1985.

    White liberals don't fully realize this because their white counterparts are all very accepting of gays, and even many of their white conservative friends have warmed up to gay marriage and general acceptance of gay relationships. But black people -- even ones normally liberal about other issues -- just don't aren't comfortable with gay people and gay relationships, and thus they will vote for any other Democrat besides Buttigieg. And honestly, some would vote for Trump.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts View Post

    I could get behind this if I believed it, especially if it meant a Trump free reboot of the Republican party.

    There's already a move left in the House and if the D's retook the Senate I could envision a move to eliminate the filibuster completely.

    No thanks.

    Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, any of the three B's would get my vote. So would Klobuchar frankly and I don't like her at all.
    Thankfully you live on the West Coast where your vote is absolutely meaningless. You could vote for Stalin and nobody would care. LOL at the state of Washington. I was in Seattle a few months ago and talk about a shithole.
    It's only meaningless if I vote for Trump again, which will only happen if Bernie or Warren gets the nod.

    The rest of what you say is unfortunately true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts View Post
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    Thankfully you live on the West Coast where your vote is absolutely meaningless. You could vote for Stalin and nobody would care. LOL at the state of Washington. I was in Seattle a few months ago and talk about a shithole.
    It's only meaningless if I vote for Trump again, which will only happen if Bernie or Warren gets the nod.

    The rest of what you say is unfortunately true.
    When I was in Seattle I was accosted non-stop by bums and homeless people. I literally almost got stabbed by a syringe when a homeless person approached me. I don't know what is going on with your downtown, but I want nothing apart it ever again. I could have been infected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Most on the left don't want to talk about this, but the truth is that the black community as a whole views gays in 2020 the same way this country viewed gay people in 1985.

    White liberals don't fully realize this because their white counterparts are all very accepting of gays, and even many of their white conservative friends have warmed up to gay marriage and general acceptance of gay relationships. But black people -- even ones normally liberal about other issues -- just don't aren't comfortable with gay people and gay relationships, and thus they will vote for any other Democrat besides Buttigieg. And honestly, some would vote for Trump.
    did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

    the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

    all the while don lemon is loling

    this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.

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    Johnny Manziel will be the 1st pick in the draft. I truly believe not only will Johnny Manziel be rookie of the year, quite possibly he will be MVP as his style will shock defensive coordinators. Manziel may only be 6 feet tall, but he has size 15 feet. And he has HUGE hands. I know some NFL scouts so I know what I am talking about.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Most on the left don't want to talk about this, but the truth is that the black community as a whole views gays in 2020 the same way this country viewed gay people in 1985.

    White liberals don't fully realize this because their white counterparts are all very accepting of gays, and even many of their white conservative friends have warmed up to gay marriage and general acceptance of gay relationships. But black people -- even ones normally liberal about other issues -- just don't aren't comfortable with gay people and gay relationships, and thus they will vote for any other Democrat besides Buttigieg. And honestly, some would vote for Trump.
    did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

    the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

    all the while don lemon is loling

    this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.



    in our defense all those jokes were true so..
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post

    did you see the latest don lemon show. he had a couple of guests on and they go on attacking trump saying that he couldn't find ukraine on a map and one of them starts generalizing southerners saying they're stupid also and starts mimmicking them.

    the fucked up thing about it is that one of his guests looked indian and he started giving his southern draw mimic insults and fails trying to do so.

    all the while don lemon is loling

    this is an awful look for democrats, really awful.



    in our defense all those jokes were true so..
    i'm not sure you realize how bad of a thing they did. the dems are fighters for the very rights they just made fun of. i won't be holding my breath waiting for the next panel to mimic and make fun of gay dudes that speak effeminately.

    it's okay,....you can make fun of trump and whitey's from the south...cnn and lemon is such a sham
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    Quote Originally Posted by bottomset_69 View Post
    Johnny Manziel will be the 1st pick in the draft. I truly believe not only will Johnny Manziel be rookie of the year, quite possibly he will be MVP as his style will shock defensive coordinators. Manziel may only be 6 feet tall, but he has size 15 feet. And he has HUGE hands. I know some NFL scouts so I know what I am talking about.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
    the dems are fighters for the very rights they just made fun of.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    jesus christ someone get donny his uk sudafed speed proxy asap

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
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    It's only meaningless if I vote for Trump again, which will only happen if Bernie or Warren gets the nod.

    The rest of what you say is unfortunately true.
    When I was in Seattle I was accosted non-stop by bums and homeless people. I literally almost got stabbed by a syringe when a homeless person approached me. I don't know what is going on with your downtown, but I want nothing apart it ever again. I could have been infected.
    The unfortunately result of progressivism and what all jurisdictions can look forward to when you decriminalize crime.

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