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    I've explained before, hypothetical general election matchups before the actual general election always skew against the incumbent, especially if the challenger is fairly new to the race.

    This is because the challenger hasn't yet had to face negative campaigning or widespread social media attacks, nor have many of their flaws been unearthed.

    Just think of how much Elizabeth Warren was loved at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
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    polls have bloomberg crushing trump in swing states. not that i put a ton of faith in them, but what i'm stating is fact.


    means nothing. im a quintessential trump supporter, and the odds of me answering the phone from a random # are 0.2%. I would have to be in a weird mood. also, most of the pollsters are left wing hacks and also world class and they can sometimes figure out which way u will vote by the way someone answers the phone so they can just hang up on some most likely trump voters
    i actually agree with this. there's no way people tell pollsters over the phone they're voting for trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
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    You can say that, but they are often catchy despite their simplicity, and these labels actually helped sink promising GOP candidates in 2016.

    "Low energy Jeb" and "Little Marco" pretty much ended up defining them.

    "Lyin' Ted Cruz" didn't catch on very well, but "Crooked Hillary" did. And then of course there's "Pocahontas".

    "Mini Mike" would probably catch on if he were to end up being relevant, but I doubt he will.


    fkn gasbag. a giant "lyin ted" chant in New York gave trump all the momentum again after Cruz just made it 50/50 after winning the Wisconsin primary
    Cruz was never truly even with Trump once Trump entered the race and became popular.

    Cruz was his biggest threat by the end, but he was a long shot. Once Trump dispatched Little Marco and Low Energy Jeb, the nomination was his.

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    Rudy Giuliani threatens to go public with Biden corruption allegations

    https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/rudy-g...n-allegations/

    Rudy Giuliani, the personal attorney for President Trump, threatened Thursday to go public with information that would expose corruption by 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

    “Everything I tried to tell the press last March is now coming out, and more. I will now start to reveal the evidence directly to you, the People,” the former New York mayor tweeted. “The Biden Family Enterprise made millions by selling public office. Then when Joe was Obama’s Point Man, they ALL made millions.”

    Giuliani’s claim that he could reveal evidence detrimental to the former vice president follows his offer to testify in Trump’s impeachment trial taking place in the Senate.

    “I would love to see a trial. I’d love to be a witness – because I’m a potential witness in the trial – and explain to everyone the corruption that I found in Ukraine, that far out-surpasses any that I’ve ever seen before, involving Joe Biden and a lot of other Democrats,” he said Sunday morning on “The Cats Roundtable” with radio host John Catsimatidis on AM 970.

    Giuliani, who is at the center of the impeachment trial for his work on behalf of Trump in Ukraine, has alleged that Biden pressured Ukrainian officials to fire a top prosecutor by withholding millions in guaranteed loans.

    He claims that Biden took the action against Viktor Shokin because he was going to investigate Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian company that employed Biden’s son Hunter on its board.

    Joe Biden, during a campaign stop in Iowa on Wednesday, defended Hunter, saying “no one has suggested my son did anything wrong.”

    "There’s nobody that’s indicated there’s a single solitary thing that he did that was inappropriate, wrong … or anything other than the appearance. It looked bad that he was there,” Biden said, according to the Washington Post. “He acknowledges that he in fact made a mistake going on the board.”

    Rep. Adam Schiff, who is playing a lead role among House Democrats presenting the case against Trump, said Trump has been trying to pin corruption on the Bidens, noting that the president called for Ukraine and China to launch investigations into them.

    Schiff used as one example Trump’s comments from Oct. 3.

    “They should investigate the Bidens. Because how does a company that’s newly formed and all these companies, if you look — and by the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens. Because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine,” Trump told reporters on the White House’s South Lawn.

    The impeachment trial centers on a July 25 phone call in which Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to launch an investigation into the Bidens that would personally benefit Trump politically.
    Great, once these dumb fuck voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, etc. hear this, they will change their vote to Bernie Sanders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    fkn gasbag. a giant "lyin ted" chant in New York gave trump all the momentum again after Cruz just made it 50/50 after winning the Wisconsin primary
    Cruz was never truly even with Trump once Trump entered the race and became popular.

    Cruz was his biggest threat by the end, but he was a long shot. Once Trump dispatched Little Marco and Low Energy Jeb, the nomination was his.

    Cruz legit may have even been a -120 favorite the day after Wisconsin and then the epic "L Y I N APOSTROPHE" - Ted chant happened a few hrs later. Your original statement that "lyin ted" did not stick was a complete 0 so take the L unless u, someone who said trump had no chance, thinks they know more about the 2015-16 trump campaign than thesidedish of all ppl, the guy that did 80% of the work in your sites biggest thread ever because you kept your best poster ever banned most of the time

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    Guy might be full of shit but I say bet on Bernie to win the nom if so, Romney gave trump a boost with the same routine


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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
    Guy might be full of shit but I say bet on Bernie to win the nom if so
    Why? Obama is extremely popular amongst the Democratic electorate. Perhaps the most popular Democrat. Obama endorsing somebody would carry a huge amount of weight, but I don't think that'll happen at least until the field gets winnowed down

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPIT this View Post
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    Guy might be full of shit but I say bet on Bernie to win the nom if so
    Why? Obama is extremely popular amongst the Democratic electorate. Perhaps the most popular Democrat. Obama endorsing somebody would carry a huge amount of weight, but I don't think that'll happen at least until the field gets winnowed down

    ya maybe, but it might help Bernie because it pisses ppl off. his supporters will be more passionate and able to talk circles around boring ass biden ppl. whoever has the best propaganda usually wins every election

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    wait. wait.


    obama has fuckall to say about the dangers of trump's presidency, but wants prime time news slot to throw bernie to the fucking wolves?
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Are we gonna discuss how Amy is a fin dom?


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    wait. wait.


    obama has fuckall to say about the dangers of trump's presidency, but wants prime time news slot to throw bernie to the fucking wolves?
    Obama doesn't give a shit about Trump.
    Obama is too busy taking vacations with Billionaires and buying real estate. Obama bought a mansion in DC for $8 million and a 30 acre property in Martha's Vineyard for $12 million. He's busy partying and vacationing all over the world.

    But he will take time out from that to stop that socialist Bernie Sanders from becoming President.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    If Biden loses Iowa, I'm probably firing again on him, because the betting odds will get way better.
    Perhaps you should wait until after the New Hampshire primary.

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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    If Biden loses Iowa, I'm probably firing again on him, because the betting odds will get way better.
    Perhaps you should wait until after the New Hampshire primary.

    This is actually decent advice. Heck, you might want to save some capital until after Nevada too.

    Of course if Biden does win Iowa, it's all over baby

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    Yes, I would wait until after New Hampshire if Biden loses Iowa, as I've thought for a long time that Bernie is taking NH.

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    "So when you have someone as powerful as Hillary Clinton seeking to smear my reputation, essentially implying that I’m a traitor to the country that I love, what she essentially is doing is taking my life away."

    -Tulsi Gabbard

    what a crazy bitch

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    tucker carlson cant wait to introduce his new sidekick as 'the woman who survived hillary clinton'.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    joe rogan endorsed bernie, bernie tweeted it, and his base is collectively losing its fucking mind because rogan pointed out that a dude who saws off his dick and takes some pills is biologically nothing but a dude who sawed off his dick and took some pills.

     
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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    its an especially interesting endorsement because rogan is very much in the ear of a lot of heartland trumpkids, and a lot of his base were enthralled by him giving a voice to milo and peterson, so this is going to kinda matter maybe if bernie gets the nom.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    joe rogan endorsed bernie, bernie tweeted it, and his base is collectively losing its fucking mind because rogan pointed out that a dude who saws off his dick and takes some pills is biologically nothing but a dude who sawed off his dick and took some pills.
    it will disgust me but bernie's probably going to end up rejecting the endorsement

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    joe rogan endorsed bernie, bernie tweeted it, and his base is collectively losing its fucking mind because rogan pointed out that a dude who saws off his dick and takes some pills is biologically nothing but a dude who sawed off his dick and took some pills.
    it will disgust me but bernie's probably going to end up rejecting the endorsement
    It will be so weak and this is the problem for the Dems. At some point you need to gamble. Tell your supporters you disagree with him on that issue, but that it takes a big tent to take down Donald Trump and you aren’t going to ostracize everyone that disagrees with you on a subject. Tell them he’s a podcaster, he won’t be making policy.

    While you can’t win the presidency without winning the endorsement, it isn’t worth winning the endorsement if you can’t win the general.

    Rogan himself isn’t overly important, but dudes who think like Rogan are important because he pretty much is the middle aged white guy who could go Trump or Bernie in every state that matters. There are a shocking amount of those Trump/Bernie people. You can’t send out the signal to them that they aren’t welcome if they don’t subscribe to every PC Twitter position. You can’t just kowtow to the whim of the mob while trying to be a leader. Sure it’s a gamble that may cost you money and lose a few people to Warren. You have to hope your position pays off in state polls as the election draws near and they hate Trump enough to pick the more viable of the two progressive candidates. Anyone getting heated over this isn’t going Biden anyway. You might pick up a few Biden people though who really don’t like him but are viewing him as the more likely person who can win.

    Warren would get destroyed in every swing state. Decimated. Bernie and Joe might be drawing slim, she’s drawing dead.

    Imo you have to run a campaign that can conceivably win or else you’re wasting your time.

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