at the risk of indulging my conspiracy theorist side, it really does feel like the "real" core of the democratic party has decided to basically sit out the 2020 elections and will simply sweep up the ashes in 2024 and start forwarding actual electable candidates in 2023.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
So you're predicting Trump 2020 win? InterestingOriginally Posted by sonatine
It's all a scam. Get everyone insane on TDS for 8 years and then the Democrats win and become fascist AF after they have giving the ppl they have driven insane the excuse of "fuck you we can do whatever we want cuz u had trump for 8 years!!"
So you're predicting Trump 2020 win? Interesting
funny, i asked myself the same question when i posted that. i think ultimately what im saying is that these candidates are all throw-aways and it would not exactly be an upset if trump won, given a) how strong his cult is and b) how each one of these candidates has totally failed to capture the imagination of the dem base. they are a collection of unelectable flaws. ultimately even if fucking biden or warren won, for example, it would still be a failure for the dnc because the republicans are going to just do what they did with obama and hold the government hostage for 4 years until they can criminalize abortion and mandate bible study in public schools.
which is hilarious considering they cant even get it done now but whatever, theres another thread for that.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Trump/Sanders 2020 would be an unstoppable ticket
so basically mandatory trannie blowjobs but only for farmers?
intrigued...
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
I'm here for it
so basically mandatory trannie blowjobs but only for farmers?
intrigued...
You gotta wonder what kinda fucktard this Tom Perez guy is at the DNC. Get me a link on this fool.
They had since 2016 to put together what should have been a lay up.
Sanders and Biden shuffle up there cause it’s like their duty to take one for the team. Their lives are over anyway and they’ll let the younger ones live.
You got candidates like Deval Patrick and Steyer showing up last minute cause it’s like obvious everyone forgot and it’s wide open
DNC’s Perez might have been banking on a financial or foreign affairs crisis or some kinda impeachment so they were ‘laxing out & watching gay porn or whatever Democrats do and just waiting for the coronation
Absolutely the most ridiculous defeat of all time. Disgraceful.
Last edited by Sanlmar; 01-20-2020 at 11:59 AM.
Guys, 25 people ran for president, relax. You just don't like who voters have decided on
Nobody has voted for anyone yet.
Isn’t Perez & the DNC like the old time department store window dresser?
You display your most attractive products and hope the shoppers come pouring in. Like don’t you have to have the faintest clue what might sell?
Unless I can buy him online I ain’t getting out of my chair for Biden
While I’m feeling cranky.... you guys argue every once in a while about polls. Whether they are predictive or just reflect the moment or just totally suck like 538.
Mix in a little Hillary popular vote numbers.
What you never mention is that Parscale looked at the polling data, huddled with The Facebook consultants, Cambridge Analytica and crew and did his surgical strikes in the key swing states.
Game Over.
I still don’t think the DNC is playing the same game. I don’t even think it’s up for debate. A debate that I can’t wait for . Just gonna be an embarrassment for ‘Merica.
Last edited by Sanlmar; 01-20-2020 at 12:16 PM.
If the DNC wanted to rig things they'd prob having people like Booker and Harris up front, and Buttigieg, Sanders and Yang would be on the wayside.Nobody has voted for anyone yet.
Isn’t Perez & the DNC like the old time department store window dresser?
You display your most attractive products and hope the shoppers come pouring in. Like don’t you have to have the faintest clue what might sell?
Unless I can buy him online I ain’t getting out of my chair for Biden
Nobody has voted for anyone yet.
Isn’t Perez & the DNC like the old time department store window dresser?
You display your most attractive products and hope the shoppers come pouring in. Like don’t you have to have the faintest clue what might sell?
these career politicians have had their lives planned 30 years in advance and they think they know everything, they don't change their goals unless they are forced to and the democrat party is filled with cucks that do what they're told so they don't have to. look at their leaders right now: Nancy Pelosi, adam Schiff, chuck schumer all disgusting power hungry career scammers solely using the mind manipulation playbook, which should not be working but human beings are that dumb and all the docile humans are on the left
the republicans only changed to appease the MAGA crowd so they can stay in politics
So every time the lottery or legalized gambling comes up the supporters tell you the proceeds will go to the cities and towns for education. For the children.
So New Jersey has a new law where LGBT education is mandated in Middle & High School.
Thank you Draft Kings
I feel better.. thanks druff
you should shoot up a pizza place to free their child sex slaves.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
If you’re 28-35 years old and want to see some seriously progressive vision implemented, I think that’s the pragmatic choice tbh.
The right is far less fragmented than the left. It’s basically chamber of commerce tax cut suburban republicans, evangelicals who often fit into the first definition also, and then libertarian types. There are subgroups within those groups, but they generally fall into one of those groups in a big picture sense. Wherever you fall on that spectrum you have no interest in Bernie or Warren. You might vote Biden.
So if you’re wanting Medicare for all and student debt erased and some truly significant change, do you arrive there quicker by electing Biden? I don’t think so. I think that delays serious change. I don’t think he can win, and even if he can, how does it play out? He comes in after 4 years of what appears a great economy and at best keeps printing money and propping up the economy and has zero incentive to do anything bold if he’s popular, and it’s just more of the same. If he comes in and things go south they just elect another republican.
Trump owns the working low-middle income white people at this point that used to vote blue. That’s a huge fucking slice of the country and basically all the states that deliver elections.
It does not matter to them if the lionshare of everything has flowed to the top few % because Trump has made them go from $14/hr to $17/hr and their lives are a touch better. He’s in touch with them and has made them feel he truly cares about them. These people’s lives did not improve significantly under Obama. That it was largely a matter of timing is lost on them. Obama might be a progressive at heart, but he had a small window to make revolutionary chance when he first got in by seizing the bully pulpit, but he played weak/tight, and the moment passed.
The democrats created this situation starting thirty years ago when they started to abandon organized labor beyond stopping while campaigning and then forgetting they exist.
Dudes like the Koch brothers and other big business interests were genius at just chipping away to the point where you ended up with a party who thought like El Gallo. Like that dude was progressive as fuck and wealthy and anti-labor. Unions are a giant pain in the ass to deal with, but it’s also the difference between making $15/hr and $30/hr. It’s amazing how smart people can forget you have to like actually win elections still and when you abandoned organized labor you left this giant swath of middle aged white people too old to take some coding boot camp and take advantage of the new economy. So these middle aged people with kids and mortgages got to hear about their white privilege from their own party while shit fell down all around them. They got fed a steady diet of them being part of the problem despite being the ones who delivered elections to democrats.
So Trump rolls up and you’re some guy who is 57 and grew up listening to Springsteen who now has watched his son escape into some opiate haze because he didn’t have shit better to do and it costs $40k to go to some shit school that may not have a job waiting for him even if he can get it together, and your daughter pumped you out two black grandkids because she was inundated constantly from birth by culture that her whiteness was part of the problem, what the fuck did anyone expect? Trump hugged these people and told them it’s ok to be white and he will help them, and fuck all these Democrats who you voted for that forgot you after elected and were only worried about gay kids and transgendered bathrooms and minorities.
These weren’t isolated stories. This was the norm. Look at life expectancy dropping for the second cycle and how the drop is directly attributable to the rust belt states that are highly populated. Four or five states have dropped life expectancy in middle-aged to late middle aged demographics for the entirety of the country. Really think about that. Deaths of despair as NPR or the other media has labeled them.
Those people now belong to Trump. You can’t win those people away from him. He can only lose them. He’s made them feel better about who they are. That’s powerful and engenders loyalty. He’s improved their lives slightly, even if temporarily. I’ve seen you say fly over country white evangelicals wanting the end times or whatever when explaining Trumps victory. The GOP always had those fucking people. That’s not who delivered the election. It’s the working class people who were too old to move and start over who got sick of hearing how lucky they were to be white while their lives sucked and their families and way of life fell apart.
These are simple people. Decent people, but stubborn people also. So if you want them back, and you need them back unless we are already at a demographic tippling point, which it doesn’t appear is the case yet, they need to feel the reality of he was only a fake friend. They need to see his policies wrecked them in the end. At that point, they’ll be ready to hear Bernie or someone like him as he’s already too old and will be likely dead by 2024. Fuck, roll out Bernie now and hope Trump makes some major fuckup before the election and you get lucky. Biden wins, nothing changes. If your vision is Bernies vision or a truly progressive vision, the last thing you want is Biden winning imo.
like literally everything BCR said...ill just say I have ties to the area where you are BCR, so I literally know what you are saying is right on the money...you honesty think anybody in that demo wants to hear about a bunch of rich, spoiled ass college kids racking up $250K+ in debt while majoring in philosophy or LGBT studies getting a free ride outta that shit when they have busted their asses their whole lives to put food on the table and a roof over their heads?? LOL...and also possibly losing some really good health insurance so the government can take care of it? LOL again...
DNC is too stupid to figure this out...which as san said, is maddening...trying to appease people that will never vote for the other side is just
I mean I guess all that free tuition and medicare for all shit is to get the DNC nomination, but it's hard to say you're gonna do all those things and then soften when it comes to the national election...then you look like a two faced liar and you'll lose every swing voter that way...
trump -149...not enough baked into that price for him doing something nuclear and stupid...
the catalyst behind that post (i recognize youre speaking to the broader tone of my opinions, which i respect but im just making this one point in side bar) was watching the cnn debates where bernie was challenged to provide data and corroboration for his progressive agenda big ticket items; free health care and debt relief. bernie had nothing. he didnt list figures or percentages, he didnt list off any accredited finance gurus who backed his math. he had nothing but the sort of cantankerous old man hot takes about how 'things need to change', which is exactly why my bleeding heart liberal parents absolutely hate the idea of voting for him. its a combo of his total refusal to account for his claims and a total refusal to admit that failing by half to meet those goals is still a net win for the rust belt types you mentioned are so critical to the equation.
he might win with that sort of sleight of hand nonsense, it might be enough to get younger voters etc to the polls. but the fact that we dont have anyone on the stage who do better than that is weird to me. if bernie had just once said out loud "listen im not crazy, i recognize we might not be able to accomplish our goals 100%, but we can do better than this" then he would be a mortal lock. hes just incapable or unwilling to appear sensible.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
i'm not sure i agree with this. if bernie somehow won -- while running on a platform of government-mandated health insurance -- the 2022 midterms would break harder red than we've seen in our lifetime. the midterms always go against the sitting president, but this would be extreme.
i'm not sure if biden instills that same sort of fears in the midwest
you should shoot up a pizza place to free their child sex slaves.
never liked pizzagate or Q but really tho...
alex jones is an obvious conspiracy theorist the MSM are wrong just as often as him. who looks dumber, the person who knows they are saying possibly crazy things or the person who is and is never the wiser. or even worse, know they are lying but do it anyways not caring who they are driving insane (MUH RUSSIA)
so I see Biden has been leading the last 2 iowa polls and hes up 8 cents at predictit today with Bernie down 8. I should go watch the caucuses if that's allowed to pick up gambling tips and watch the historic night. diggydow will u be giving any speeches??
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