*** OFFICIAL 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Race Thread ***

[limitles]

also, supporters of other candidates like mayor pete or klobuchar might vote trump over bernie.

warren would lose 50 states if she somehow won a brokered convention

If any Democrat or any person not tied to the Republican doctrine votes Trump then they will get what they deserve. A public servant, which is what it's supposed to be about, does not profit directly from their post.

That is just one strike amongst many against Trump which is ignored by too many

[Dan Druff]

bernie's appeal to the forgotten middle to lower-middle class is actually similar to trump's message. i think he'd have a chance against trump, but he has to hedge on medicare for all.

i still think running on taking away your private insurance in favor of government funded healthcare is too scary for most people. the average person is covered by insurance and likes it (rightly or wrongly), and will never dig deep and critically analyze (or even understand) the merits of his proposal. he needs to pivot to a public option like the other candidates with the unspoken goal being medicare for all down the road.

The problem with a Public-option-now-but-Medical-for-all plan private insurance companies would dump their higher risk policyholders, who in turn would load up the federally-funded insurance fund with higher cost policyholders, and the ballooning cost of the public option policies would be used as political ammunition to drive down support for adopting Medicare-for-all. That would be a repeat of what the GOP has already done with Obamacare plans when they gutted the individual mandate penalty, which effectively allows potential lower cost policyholders to not be required to help fund Obamacare policies, which in turn makes them more expensive to those seeking health insurance coverage through such a plan.

But you raise a good point, but it should be rephrased to expose the truth of why many currently prefer their private health insurance: They have been fooled by a well-crafted and executed propaganda campaign by the health insurance industry about how much “choice” they have with private health insurance. David Doel, of The Rational National show, explains using coverage of a series of recent tweets by Wendell Potter, the former PR exec for Cigna.

For once, Mumbles in correct.

The public option is a lot of nonsense for several reasons. It can't exist at the same time as private insurance in the US marketplace. It is based upon the incorrect premise that insurance company profits are the reason healthcare in the US is so expensive. The fact is that insurance profits are only 0.6% of all healthcare expenditures.

Indeed, if a public option exists, one of the side effects will be the high risk patients moving to the public option, thus driving up the cost of the public option and making it unfeasible.

Even if the mandate to not reject patients for preexiting conditions remains in place for private insurance (thus leveling the playing field), there will still be the problem where many doctors simply won't accept the public insurance, as they will get paid less than insurers pay them. And if it's mandated that doctors have to accept the public option, they might de-prioritize those patients. And if they can't de-prioritize those patients, then private insurance will fail, and everyone will be forced onto the public "option".

I don't think Bernie will compromise, anyway. He's no Elizabeth Warren. He has his ideas, whether crazy or not, and he's gonna push them. He's not going to sell out. He really thinks that he can convince the country that Medicare For All is what they need.

Oddly, Bernie has not explained what he will do to address the doctor shortage in the US, which will get several times worse under Medicare For All.

Also, Republicans have done a poor job (thus far at least) educating the public about the crippling wait times in socialized systems for non-emergency tests and specialist visits. 4 months is the wait time in the UK. 4 fucking months. Once Americans learn this, most will abandon the support for such a system.

[blake]

Warren has now put out a statement addressing this reporting and saying of the meeting with Bernie, “Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed.”

https://www.mediaite.com/news/elizab...-he-disagreed/


this is about to go nuclear as fuck

[limitles]

The problem with a Public-option-now-but-Medical-for-all plan private insurance companies would dump their higher risk policyholders, who in turn would load up the federally-funded insurance fund with higher cost policyholders, and the ballooning cost of the public option policies would be used as political ammunition to drive down support for adopting Medicare-for-all. That would be a repeat of what the GOP has already done with Obamacare plans when they gutted the individual mandate penalty, which effectively allows potential lower cost policyholders to not be required to help fund Obamacare policies, which in turn makes them more expensive to those seeking health insurance coverage through such a plan.

But you raise a good point, but it should be rephrased to expose the truth of why many currently prefer their private health insurance: They have been fooled by a well-crafted and executed propaganda campaign by the health insurance industry about how much “choice” they have with private health insurance. David Doel, of The Rational National show, explains using coverage of a series of recent tweets by Wendell Potter, the former PR exec for Cigna.

For once, Mumbles in correct.

The public option is a lot of nonsense for several reasons. It can't exist at the same time as private insurance in the US marketplace. It is based upon the incorrect premise that insurance company profits are the reason healthcare in the US is so expensive. The fact is that insurance profits are only 0.6% of all healthcare expenditures.

Indeed, if a public option exists, one of the side effects will be the high risk patients moving to the public option, thus driving up the cost of the public option and making it unfeasible.

Even if the mandate to not reject patients for preexiting conditions remains in place for private insurance (thus leveling the playing field), there will still be the problem where many doctors simply won't accept the public insurance, as they will get paid less than insurers pay them. And if it's mandated that doctors have to accept the public option, they might de-prioritize those patients. And if they can't de-prioritize those patients, then private insurance will fail, and everyone will be forced onto the public "option".

I don't think Bernie will compromise, anyway. He's no Elizabeth Warren. He has his ideas, whether crazy or not, and he's gonna push them. He's not going to sell out. He really thinks that he can convince the country that Medicare For All is what they need.

Oddly, Bernie has not explained what he will do to address the doctor shortage in the US, which will get several times worse under Medicare For All.

Also, Republicans have done a poor job (thus far at least) educating the public about the crippling wait times in socialized systems for non-emergency tests and specialist visits. 4 months is the wait time in the UK. 4 fucking months. Once Americans learn this, most will abandon the support for such a system.

Last year, 62 CEOs of health-care companies made a combined total of $1.1 billion in compensation. That's according to a new report out from Axios, which coincidentally notes that CEO compensation eclipses what the Centers for Disease Control spent on chronic disease prevention by $157 million. That comparison might make the executive compensation seem galling, but a look at the bigger picture...doesn't make it better.
In 2018, each of those executives made an average of nearly $18 million, before taxes at least. Meanwhile, Americans are borrowing as much as $88 billion annually to pay for medical expenses, which goes a long way toward explaining why an estimated one out of every five Americans is reportedly struggling with either medical bills or debt. One study found that millennials alone made up the largest chunk of people in the U.S. with medical debt, and those numbers are likely to get even worse if the current lawsuit against the Affordable Care Act is upheld in the Supreme Court.

https://www.gq.com/story/eat-the-health-care-ceos

Yeah insurance is not a for profit business...ha ha. Anytime personal profit is available you will find profiteers who just don't give a shit. Health care/insurance should not be provided at the whim of anyone. The history of your country is laden with such foolishness. But you don't know, most of you anyway

[SPIT this]

Warren has now put out a statement addressing this reporting and saying of the meeting with Bernie, “Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed.”

https://www.mediaite.com/news/elizab...-he-disagreed/


this is about to go nuclear as fuck

IT'S LIT!!!

[SPIT this]

Lol, she's such a bitch. She's pushing the story while saying she doesn't want to make this a story

[sonatine]

this is an incredible burger of nothingness

[sonatine]

whats the current line on bernie?

[TheXFactor]

Warren has now put out a statement addressing this reporting and saying of the meeting with Bernie, “Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed.”

https://www.mediaite.com/news/elizab...-he-disagreed/


this is about to go nuclear as fuck

Bernie's 100% right.

Just ask Hillary Clinton.

I'm sure Elizabeth Warren knows this too.
A woman will never become President of the United States.

Warren will give up all her delegates at the Democratic convention and Bernie might make her his Vice President.

[MumblesBadly]

Lol, she's such a bitch. She's pushing the story while saying she doesn't want to make this a story

Agreed. And it’s a huge mistake by Warren and her team to be taking this tack at this juncture. Because it only will serve to damage her reputation when the truth of the matter becomes better known.





P.S. Please repost the screenshot with Warren’s detailed comments that you uploaded improperly in your OP, as her comments are a damning indictment of her duplicity regarding this matter.

[Dan Druff]

For once, Mumbles in correct.

The public option is a lot of nonsense for several reasons. It can't exist at the same time as private insurance in the US marketplace. It is based upon the incorrect premise that insurance company profits are the reason healthcare in the US is so expensive. The fact is that insurance profits are only 0.6% of all healthcare expenditures.

Indeed, if a public option exists, one of the side effects will be the high risk patients moving to the public option, thus driving up the cost of the public option and making it unfeasible.

Even if the mandate to not reject patients for preexiting conditions remains in place for private insurance (thus leveling the playing field), there will still be the problem where many doctors simply won't accept the public insurance, as they will get paid less than insurers pay them. And if it's mandated that doctors have to accept the public option, they might de-prioritize those patients. And if they can't de-prioritize those patients, then private insurance will fail, and everyone will be forced onto the public "option".

I don't think Bernie will compromise, anyway. He's no Elizabeth Warren. He has his ideas, whether crazy or not, and he's gonna push them. He's not going to sell out. He really thinks that he can convince the country that Medicare For All is what they need.

Oddly, Bernie has not explained what he will do to address the doctor shortage in the US, which will get several times worse under Medicare For All.

Also, Republicans have done a poor job (thus far at least) educating the public about the crippling wait times in socialized systems for non-emergency tests and specialist visits. 4 months is the wait time in the UK. 4 fucking months. Once Americans learn this, most will abandon the support for such a system.

Last year, 62 CEOs of health-care companies made a combined total of $1.1 billion in compensation. That's according to a new report out from Axios, which coincidentally notes that CEO compensation eclipses what the Centers for Disease Control spent on chronic disease prevention by $157 million. That comparison might make the executive compensation seem galling, but a look at the bigger picture...doesn't make it better.
In 2018, each of those executives made an average of nearly $18 million, before taxes at least. Meanwhile, Americans are borrowing as much as $88 billion annually to pay for medical expenses, which goes a long way toward explaining why an estimated one out of every five Americans is reportedly struggling with either medical bills or debt. One study found that millennials alone made up the largest chunk of people in the U.S. with medical debt, and those numbers are likely to get even worse if the current lawsuit against the Affordable Care Act is upheld in the Supreme Court.

https://www.gq.com/story/eat-the-health-care-ceos

Yeah insurance is not a for profit business...ha ha. Anytime personal profit is available you will find profiteers who just don't give a shit. Health care/insurance should not be provided at the whim of anyone. The history of your country is laden with such foolishness. But you don't know, most of you anyway

Why this weird-ass font?

Anyway, I didn't say insurance is not-for-profit.

I'm saying that the healthcare industry in the US is so huge that the seemingly large profits in the industry actually make up less than 1% of all expenditures.

Thus, even if all insurance profits were taken out of existence, we would save less than 1% on healthcare.

[thesidedish]

Pocahontas is such scamming trash but I think James okeefe might have some goods on Bernie tmrw

[Dan Druff]

Warren is turning out to be almost as shifty and phony as Hillary Clinton.

There really is nothing genuine about her.

The funny thing is that a genuine version of Warren would have been a really strong candidate and probably would have won the nomination. People are rapidly getting tired of her bullshit.

[Daly]

Cory Booker has dropped out, and the Washington Post leads with an headline about how “less diverse” the Dem presidential primary has become with him dropping out.

Sen. Cory Booker exits the Democratic presidential primary, making the field less diverse
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-less-diverse/

FFS, people!!! Cory Booker is one of the biggest corporate-backed oreos in modern American politics! If Cornell West had been running and dropped out, this headline would have been legit. Hell! If I were Black, I’d be disappointed at that, because Brother West would have brought real diversity to the nomination race. But I’m gonna still love it when President-Elect Sanders invites Dr. West to be a White House advisor.

[Cue dwai red repping me with his trademark “n-word lover” comment.]

I feel like Booker in a lot of ways will be “The Kasich” of this election cycle. After Trunp beats Warren/Sanders and the post election polls show that moderates didn’t want a socialist but would have voted for a democrat so long as they were to the right of Chaiman Mao Booker will be seen as the guy who could have won if things went different.

[Dan Druff]

Also, Bernie voters are still bitter about what Hillary and the DNC did to him in 2016.

Anything that looks like a backdoor attempt to fuck him in 2020 will be viewed very harshly. This is going to backfire, but I guess it's a Hail Mary by Warren, since she sees her chances rapidly slipping away.

[Sanlmar]

whats the current line on bernie?

Biden is one brain lock from second place. Druff is gonna have to sweat Old Joe’s mental health like a NBA under.

[Sanlmar]

Warren is turning out to be almost as shifty and phony as Hillary Clinton.

There really is nothing genuine about her.

The funny thing is that a genuine version of Warren would have been a really strong candidate and probably would have won the nomination. People are rapidly getting tired of her bullshit.

Massachusetts knew her best. No one locally endorsed her and we typically love our Democrats.

Phony. I think even cousin Tootie would admit the same

[Sanlmar]

The fact is that insurance profits are only 0.6% of all healthcare expenditures.

Remember your buddy James Rockford? The studios had a strange habit of making profits disappear.

Rockford was more famous for his litigation over phony accounting than his movie credits.

Similar principle.

[mulva]

538's final forecast for the 2016 election...Hillary WON!!!

All these great pollsters need to eat shit because they can't predict nothing.

Instead of using pollsters, they should use the Psychic Friends Network.

whats the current line on bernie?

Biden is one brain lock from second place. Druff is gonna have to sweat Old Joe’s mental health like a NBA under.

where can i get 10-1 on mayor pete?

[Dan Druff]

The fact is that insurance profits are only 0.6% of all healthcare expenditures.

Remember your buddy James Rockford? The studios had a strange habit of making profits disappear.

Rockford was more famous for his litigation over phony accounting than his movie credits.

Similar principle.

Even if the healthcare companies, are making 5 times what they claim, we're still talking 3% of total expenditures of healthcare.

It's simply not the real problem we're facing. It's an easy talking point because Bernie can yell, "Healthcare companies are taking BILLIONS OUTTA THE ECONOMY" and be correct. But billions compared to trillions is still a drop in the bucket.