Casino tipping question

[RS_]

What I'd be curious to hear is what the pit dealers out there think is a "realistic" fair tip. They can give a range of low but acceptably fair end to fair range with everything else falling in the above fair/generous group.

So what does a dealer expect on this?

2k?

3k?

5k?

Even more then that?

Many dealers would feel insulted and be mad if you tipped $5k. It's retarded, but that's how it is. When I dealt, there was a dealer during break that said he paid off some "big" jackpot.....like $10k, IIRC. He got tipped $500 and was mad -- wanted 20% because "that's the standard amount you should tip" or some dumb shit.


On $82k, I think I'd tip $500 if it goes directly to the dealer and $200 (max) if pooled. Of course, there are other unknown factors that might increase or decrease the amount. If the dealer's been rude or suddenly starts being annoying trynna hustle a tip, then $0......ehhhh, maybe $5 just to spite them.

[incognito81]

Depends on how often I go. If I like the people that work there.My level of intoxication. and depends how much I'm down lifetime. Probably a few hundies

[Dan Druff]

Okay, so here's the reason I posed this question.

A dealer I know (not a close friend) dealt this $82k jackpot to some degen, and then was tipped $500.

This dealer was very unhappy about it, and bitched on Facebook about how cheap the winner was.

I was appalled by this, feeling that $500 for a single hand dealt in a pit game is more than enough.

If I won the $82k, I'm honestly not sure how much I'd tip. A few hundred -- even up to $500 -- makes sense, but I would be worried about exactly this. I wouldn't want to give hundreds of dollars as a tip if I knew that I would be talked shit about after doing so. I'd rather give $0 in that case.

I actually argued with this dealer about the matter today.

My points:

- The guy who wan the $82k is likely a big lifetime losing gambler, and this just helps him take a chump out of his past (and very likely future) gambling losses.

- There were already tips coming in the entire day for all the other hands dealt. So it wasn't a matter of being this tip or nothing.

- The dealer didn't do anything to cause this guy to win. It's all just random luck. Same thing when the guy loses big.

- Speaking of losses, the dealer doesn't tip the player when he loses big. So why should there be an extra tip when the player wins big, which is less common anyway?

- By voluntarily playing -EV games, this player keeps all of the dealers employed. He shouldn't be expected to tip large amounts of money on top of that, if he happens to get lucky.


The problem is that people hitting a "jackpot" gives the appearance of them coming into big money. So when the guy doesn't "share the wealth", he looks like a cheapskate. In reality, the "wealth" is just the player getting what is usually a small portion back of what he lost gambling at that casino in the past.

With that said, I understand that these dealers work in part for tips, so I'm not against tipping them. I think it's perfectly fine to tip (small amounts) as you normally play, but I think it's insane that it's expected that you need to surrender a certain percentage of any jackpot you hit back to the dealer.

The biggest problem here is the tip shaming. I have no problem with people tipping what they want, but bitching about a $500 tip from a single hand of a pit game is just beyond entitled behavior.

[Dan Druff]

Oh, and this is totally different from the poker tournament situation.

In poker tournaments, dealers get zero tips until the end when people cash, so it makes sense to tip at that point (if an auto-tip isn't already taken out), as you are tipping all of the dealers for the duration for the tournament.

Here, the dealer is expecting a very large tip for ONE HAND dealt.

[MumblesBadly]

Oh, and this is totally different from the poker tournament situation.

In poker tournaments, dealers get zero tips until the end when people cash, so it makes sense to tip at that point (if an auto-tip isn't already taken out), as you are tipping all of the dealers for the duration for the tournament.

Here, the dealer is expecting a very large tip for ONE HAND dealt.

So it’s comparable to when the badbeat jackpot hand is dealt in a poker game, but instead of the individual dealer getting the tip for dealing that one hand, it’s pooled with the tips for all dealers.

With that in mind, I’d go $500 if the dealing experience was fair, but $1000 to the dealer and $500 to each of the other players sitting at the table if I thought that the magnanimous gesture would help me with my chances of scoring with a MILF sitting next to me at the table.

[BeerAndPoker]

The biggest problem here is the tip shaming. I have no problem with people tipping what they want, but bitching about a $500 tip from a single hand of a pit game is just beyond entitled behavior.

Whether he deserves more or not is up for debate but if I know he's a tip shaming fool who gets to keep 100% of his tips I'd probably throw him a single black chip and peace out of there just because of it.

He can be pissed but it was still a nice reward that he wasn't expecting coming into work that day so he shouldn't be tip shaming anyone otherwise he should be treated like an asshole in the future when these situations come up and not as a charity case.

[Mintjewlips]

Let's all suspend reality and believe that mumbles has a chance with anything with a pulse...

[abrown83]

Okay, so here's the reason I posed this question.

A dealer I know (not a close friend) dealt this $82k jackpot to some degen, and then was tipped $500.

This dealer was very unhappy about it, and bitched on Facebook about how cheap the winner was.

I was appalled by this, feeling that $500 for a single hand dealt in a pit game is more than enough.

If I won the $82k, I'm honestly not sure how much I'd tip. A few hundred -- even up to $500 -- makes sense, but I would be worried about exactly this. I wouldn't want to give hundreds of dollars as a tip if I knew that I would be talked shit about after doing so. I'd rather give $0 in that case.

I actually argued with this dealer about the matter today.

My points:

- The guy who wan the $82k is likely a big lifetime losing gambler, and this just helps him take a chump out of his past (and very likely future) gambling losses.

- There were already tips coming in the entire day for all the other hands dealt. So it wasn't a matter of being this tip or nothing.

- The dealer didn't do anything to cause this guy to win. It's all just random luck. Same thing when the guy loses big.

- Speaking of losses, the dealer doesn't tip the player when he loses big. So why should there be an extra tip when the player wins big, which is less common anyway?

- By voluntarily playing -EV games, this player keeps all of the dealers employed. He shouldn't be expected to tip large amounts of money on top of that, if he happens to get lucky.


The problem is that people hitting a "jackpot" gives the appearance of them coming into big money. So when the guy doesn't "share the wealth", he looks like a cheapskate. In reality, the "wealth" is just the player getting what is usually a small portion back of what he lost gambling at that casino in the past.

With that said, I understand that these dealers work in part for tips, so I'm not against tipping them. I think it's perfectly fine to tip (small amounts) as you normally play, but I think it's insane that it's expected that you need to surrender a certain percentage of any jackpot you hit back to the dealer.

The biggest problem here is the tip shaming. I have no problem with people tipping what they want, but bitching about a $500 tip from a single hand of a pit game is just beyond entitled behavior.

My standard is 1% maybe 2% depending on a huge variety of factors. The biggest being if I have played and shot the shit with the dealer in the past, their general attitude and the overall state of the game (meaning if I were playing shitty 3 card poker, with terrible pay tables, you aren't getting as big of a tip if there were better pay tables).

My assumption is dealers at pit games always pool tips. I actually didn't know of a casino that doesn't pool tips for casino games. I almost always ask.

[Jayjami]

$500 is exactly what I would have tipped. For a poker jackpot, I’d go 10% if it was at a local casino, less if is I was out of town. Also, the amount would depend on if I knew the dealer, liked him or her, and their competency.

[PAINLESSWON]

I believe this to be a true story from the Paris hotel, as it's been confirmed by several dealers there. A lady won a million on the "million maker bet" about 5 years ago. She tipped the dealers 50K (pooled tip for all, 24hr period). Purportedly, she returned the next day asking for a portion of the tip back, stating she got caught up in the moment , and tipped too much. She was denied the request.

[BCR]

I’d tip $2k. Then lose the $80k. Then take out a $2k cash advance on my cc. Then lose that. Then ask the dealer to borrow $100 to get home and they’d say no.

At one of the local LA Casinos I heard through the grapevine a player recently won a jackpot, tipped a few hundred to the dealer, donked the jackpot off, and asked the dealer for the tip back. I can't personally verify any of these details, but I do know the player in question, who doesn't seem to have particularly high personal integrity or impulse control (I know, shocking traits in a degenerate gambler), so it is certainly believable.

Yeah I really wasn’t joking. Exaggerating, but I can’t tell you how many times I have been drunk, on some blackjack heater, tipping along the way, placing bets for the dealer, and it was probably $1k added up, only to leave broke. It happened a lot. I never asked for it back. I probably didn’t learn to tip at the end until 35. Like if I hit $82k now, there’s a decent chance I blow $20k and leave with $60k because that’s still real money. If it was like $15k jackpot, it’s like 50/50 I walk straight to my car or decide to play some more and chunk it off. The pits and sportbetting have caused me a lot of issues in life. I just don’t have kids or anything, so I can fade it, but I’m definitely impulsive if I’m in the wrong state of mind.

[Tellafriend]

I believe this to be a true story from the Paris hotel, as it's been confirmed by several dealers there. A lady won a million on the "million maker bet" about 5 years ago. She tipped the dealers 50K (pooled tip for all, 24hr period). Purportedly, she returned the next day asking for a portion of the tip back, stating she got caught up in the moment , and tipped too much. She was denied the request.

Funny, i was out there when that was hit at Paris -- and it was about 5 years ago. If i recall, the winner was of oriental decent. I bet her husband sent her back in there.

[monsterj]

Okay, so here's the reason I posed this question.

A dealer I know (not a close friend) dealt this $82k jackpot to some degen, and then was tipped $500.

This dealer was very unhappy about it, and bitched on Facebook about how cheap the winner was.

I was appalled by this, feeling that $500 for a single hand dealt in a pit game is more than enough.

If I won the $82k, I'm honestly not sure how much I'd tip. A few hundred -- even up to $500 -- makes sense, but I would be worried about exactly this. I wouldn't want to give hundreds of dollars as a tip if I knew that I would be talked shit about after doing so. I'd rather give $0 in that case.

I actually argued with this dealer about the matter today.

My points:

- The guy who wan the $82k is likely a big lifetime losing gambler, and this just helps him take a chump out of his past (and very likely future) gambling losses.

- There were already tips coming in the entire day for all the other hands dealt. So it wasn't a matter of being this tip or nothing.

- The dealer didn't do anything to cause this guy to win. It's all just random luck. Same thing when the guy loses big.

- Speaking of losses, the dealer doesn't tip the player when he loses big. So why should there be an extra tip when the player wins big, which is less common anyway?

- By voluntarily playing -EV games, this player keeps all of the dealers employed. He shouldn't be expected to tip large amounts of money on top of that, if he happens to get lucky.


The problem is that people hitting a "jackpot" gives the appearance of them coming into big money. So when the guy doesn't "share the wealth", he looks like a cheapskate. In reality, the "wealth" is just the player getting what is usually a small portion back of what he lost gambling at that casino in the past.

With that said, I understand that these dealers work in part for tips, so I'm not against tipping them. I think it's perfectly fine to tip (small amounts) as you normally play, but I think it's insane that it's expected that you need to surrender a certain percentage of any jackpot you hit back to the dealer.

The biggest problem here is the tip shaming. I have no problem with people tipping what they want, but bitching about a $500 tip from a single hand of a pit game is just beyond entitled behavior.

$500 is the exact amount I would tip too, easy to complain about it being cheap if you have never been(or will) be put in that situation.

[Goodpoop]

Depending on the dealer and if I was a regular or not. If I knew the dealer and he/she was good I'd go up to 3%. Some jackass $500 would be generous.

Tipping story from last month.

Playing 1/3 NLH. Casino has a random table selection promo every hour. Literally, the boss man hits a button and it picks a table. The players at the winning table get $100. My table hits and the floor hands everyone a black chip and says don't forget your dealer. Two regs at the table say $5 it shall be and everyone hands over $5 to the dealer.. This dealer did absolutely nothing and made $50.

[Dan Druff]

Depending on the dealer and if I was a regular or not. If I knew the dealer and he/she was good I'd go up to 3%. Some jackass $500 would be generous.

Tipping story from last month.

Playing 1/3 NLH. Casino has a random table selection promo every hour. Literally, the boss man hits a button and it picks a table. The players at the winning table get $100. My table hits and the floor hands everyone a black chip and says don't forget your dealer. Two regs at the table say $5 it shall be and everyone hands over $5 to the dealer.. This dealer did absolutely nothing and made $50.

Wait, I'm not understanding.

You'd give $2500 in this $82k scenario, but are complaining that a dealer got $45 on a promotional hand at a poker room?

[abrown83]

Interesting stuff....I said 1% but realized something that I am curious about...

How often does everyone tip?

I tip when I leave the table. Never tip throughout playing, regardless of the game except poker, I tip dealer on dealer change.

[Dan Druff]

Honestly, regardless of what I tip, and this applies over all industries, if the recipient is going to resent me for it, then I'd rather tip zero.

So, for example, let's say I hit that $82k jackpot and I'm about to tip $500.

Then my friend sitting with me says, "Hold up. I know this dealer. I saw him scoffing at a $500 tip on a similar jackpot earlier." (Let's say my friend could tell me this without the dealer hearing.)

In that case, I would leave a big zero point zero.

Why?

Because a tip is not mandatory nor owed. It's a courtesy from the customer to the worker, even if it's customary.

If you're going to give your hard earned money and still get resented and shit talked behind your back, it might as well be zero.

I'm never a believer in "tip no matter what, even if the worker is being a complete asshole".

[hardeight]

zero,
I am not supplementing the dealers wages for the casino .

[Baron Von Strucker]

I have a tip rule which is the first two numbers and doubling it, in this case 82k would be close to $1650.

After taxes (net amount) and before taxes on restaurant invoice of course

[Dan Druff]

I have a tip rule which is the first two numbers and doubling it, in this case 82k would be close to $1650.

After taxes (net amount) and before taxes on restaurant invoice of course

Restaurant is a different story, and I don't want to get into that discussion here.

But why tip $1650 for a single hand? Don't you think this is excessive, especially since this win is just making up for greater past losses?

Why should the dealer receive $1650 for this hand and only a small amount (or even zero) when you win a normal hand?

As I said, this isn't like a poker tournament where you're tipping all dealers combined for several days of work. This is literally a tip for one hand.

That's the big difference here which some of you seem to be missing.