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Thread: You Make the Call: Bank Escalations Department Edition

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    You Make the Call: Bank Escalations Department Edition

    You work for a major American bank, and you are in the "escalations" department. Your department handles all customer service issues where the customer cannot be satisfied by normal reps and supervisors.

    You are the direct boss of the front-line escalations team. Your employees directly interface with customers who want their case escalated. Your employees are also empowered with full visibility into customer accounts (with customer permission), as well as the ability to make exceptions and solve problems.

    You do not typically interface directly with customers. Your job is to manage the escalations team. The level 1 escalations specialist directly calls the customers, and the level 2 specialists will speak to the customers if a supervisor/manager is requested. You only speak to customers if recommended to do so by a level 2 specialist.

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    In this situation, a customer named "John" applied for a business credit card, and is very unhappy.

    The Chain of Fail

    - It has been 6 weeks since he applied, and he still does not have the card yet.

    - After applying, John was inundated with numerous and repeated e-mails, phone calls, and letters requesting "more info" in order to approve his application. However, when he would call back, nobody would know what he was talking about. Customer service reps told him conflicting stories regarding whether or not his card was approved, and what (if anything) he needed to do further.



    - After several weeks passed without the card arriving, John found out it WAS approved, but sent to the wrong address -- his parent's house, where he hasn't lived in decades. However, even his parents did not receive the card.

    - When John called to complain about this entire situation, he was directed to the escalation team, and was told he would get a call back. John repeatedly provided the correct phone number to reach him.

    - Despite giving the correct number, Francisco, the escalations specialist, called the other number and reached John's mother. After his mother was confused by the call and was suspicious it was a scam (since she wasn't expecting it, and they were asking for John who didn't live there), Francisco allegedly got agitated and nasty, and berated her for doubting the call was real.



    - When John called the number Francisco gave his mom, he alleges that Francisco was rude and belligerent with him from the start, and in fact blamed him for the long delays and incorrect address.



    Escalating the Escalation

    John demanded Francisco further escalate the situation, which he did. Alice, a level 2 escalations specialist, took over at that point, and called John. She heard John's gripes, and investigated the entire matter, from both customer records and recorded phone calls. The findings were as follows:

    - John's entire account of the situation was correct. Everything he alleged turned out to be true and verifiable.

    - Records on the account indicate numerous e-mails, phone calls, and letters claiming that John had to take further action in order to get his card approved, yet these were all erroneously sent. These communications went out repeatedly over a period of 2 weeks.

    - Notes on the account indicate that customer service reps were very confused about these communications, and John was told different stories regarding whether or not his card was or would be approved. This ironically caused a further delay in processing the card, as cases were opened which had to be closed before it was sent.

    - A glitch in the system inexplicably cleared all of the address and phone number information from John's application, and the system erroneously filled it in with the first address and phone number it ever had on file for John, which was his parents' address and phone number from the 1990s. This is what caused the address/phone number confusion.

    - John gave the correct phone number for escalations to call three different times. However, the customer service rep still forgot to send that number to the escalations team, resulting in the specialist (Francisco) initially reaching John's mother.

    - Believing he was calling the correct number, Francisco got annoyed that he was put through the third degree by a suspicious woman, and lost his temper. Francisco was unprofessional and was disrespectful to an elderly woman who was reasonably worried about identity theft taking place against her son.

    - When John reached Francisco, it seemed that Francisco was already bitter about the conversation he had with John's mother, and no longer wanted to help him. Francisco was clearly belligerent and confrontational from the first minute of the call, and repeatedly interrupted John when he tried to explain. Francisco also blamed John for the card going to the wrong address, stating, "If you didn't want it to go there, you shouldn't have put that on the application." When John denied putting that address, Francisco scoffed and told him he didn't believe him.

    - Francisco refused to do any investigative work on the matter. When John asked him to look into the numerous contradictory e-mails, phone calls, and letters he received, Francisco simply stated, "That was our bank doing due diligence and security checks", and stated that "the notes show everything was routine." However, even a cursory look at the notes and the excessive number of communications with John would show that this was anything but "routine", and that something highly abnormal had occurred. It is reasonable to assume that Francisco either refused to look at the notes/history, or saw them and lied about the obvious conclusion from them.

    - Francisco told John that a new card had just been sent to the correct address by express mail. When John said that he was happy to hear that, but lamented that 6 weeks worth of errors and hassles preceded it, Francisco angrily snapped back, "I said we sent it to the right address, and it will be there in 2 days. What more do you want?" In the 20 minute call, Francisco never once conceded the bank made any errors, never apologized, and aggressively blamed John for all delays. When John asked again specifically what caused the 6-week delay, Francisco said, "That's company private, and you are not allowed to know that."

    - Francisco has been written up, and disciplinary action against him for both phone calls is pending, as he violated numerous company policies during both calls.

    - The various customer service reps who dealt with John in response to the letters/emails/calls have also been coached regarding how to handle matters like these. While it appears they all tried to help solve the problem, several did not understand what was going on, and inadvertently made things worse.

    John was polite when speaking with Alice, but she revealed that John was requesting customer service credits, which she is not authorized to give. Alice recommended you calling John back, as indeed there were extensive failures in this entire process.



    What is it worth?

    You call John, and reveal to him that you have researched everything, and that his account of the situation, including the very negative interactions with Francisco, are all 100% correct.

    John then asks for a "customer service credit" for all of his trouble, as he already had with Alice.

    There were several independent points of failure here, and the escalations specialist (Francisco) in charge of solving the problem seemingly vindictively refused to do his job and made the situation worse.

    John's customer profile is that of a middle aged man, typically has $10k-$60k in the bank, but does not ever incur any fees or interest charges on any of his accounts. He has been with this bank for more than 20 years, and has never asked for a customer service credit before. He also has never escalated any calls to our department before.

    Given that all of his claims were verified as accurate, what is the appropriate credit to give John?

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    Jesus christ todd

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookygook View Post
    Jesus christ todd



    This really happened.

    Now tell us what you would do for "John" if you were the escalations manager.

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    I'm especially interested in hearing from the two people who voted "0.0" so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm especially interested in hearing from the two people who voted "0.0" so far.
    “John's entire account of the situation was correct.”

    No you aren’t.
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Does the card have a fee?

    My answer is John should be comped one year of that fee

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Does the card have a fee?

    My answer is John should be comped one year of that fee
    Druff, errr John, isn’t signing up for a card with an annual fee.
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    I work for a bank, but don't deal with customer service or credit cards. I also have taken advantage of many credit card bonuses over the years ranging from $100-$600. Knowing that banks are willing to offer bonuses in this range just for opening a new card makes me think that if I were the supervisor in this position I could pretty comfortably offer $100 and then bump it up to $200 if John Druff complained further. Any request beyond $200 I might make up a line like "That's the highest I can give without filing a formal case with corporate, and if we do that you'll need to fill out a lot of paperwork, it could take weeks and you'd probably not be offered much more than the $200".

    That's all hypothetical, but one thing I do know for a fact is that we have given people entire appraisal fees back when they have had customer service issues with a loan and those are $400 and up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spookygook View Post
    Jesus christ todd



    This really happened.

    Now tell us what you would do for "John" if you were the escalations manager.
    I might not have read the whole account, but i'd say the escalations manager managed to escalate the situation to an adequate level. I assume that's what his job is. In general i'm rooting for the escalations manager in this story.

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    I think the bank probably recognizes that at this point further engagement with this customer is probably going to be more trouble than it is worth, and to do the bare minimum moving forward. In sales/customer service my understanding is that it is important to recognize which clients/customers are too high maintenance for the amount of business they give, and to devote as little attention/resources to these customers as possible; and if they move on because of this then all the better.

    It seems at this point the bank should probably go this route.

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    Todd, has it ever occurred to you that you (as opposed to the plethora of customer service reps you have had issues with), might be the problem. Credit? LMFAO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsearles22 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm especially interested in hearing from the two people who voted "0.0" so far.
    “John's entire account of the situation was correct.”

    No you aren’t.
    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard View Post
    I think the bank probably recognizes that at this point further engagement with this customer is probably going to be more trouble than it is worth, and to do the bare minimum moving forward. In sales/customer service my understanding is that it is important to recognize which clients/customers are too high maintenance for the amount of business they give, and to devote as little attention/resources to these customers as possible; and if they move on because of this then all the better.

    It seems at this point the bank should probably go this route.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjami View Post
    Todd, has it ever occurred to you that you (as opposed to the plethora of customer service reps you have had issues with), might be the problem. Credit? LMFAO.

    These three posts are ignoring the main detail of the story.

    The bank has ALREADY VERIFIED that John's story is 100% correct. They verified it via customer records, system records, and phone recordings.

    This wasn't a matter of a chronic complainer bitching about something subjective. This was a matter of a series of screw-ups which repeatedly wasted John's time and kept delaying the credit card arriving, followed by an asshole escalations employee who was bitter and intentionally didn't do his job.

    John also tried to cooperate throughout the entire process, and still got nowhere. He wasn't at all high maintenance, and didn't seek to get anything until near the end, when Francisco was an asshole to both him and his elderly mother.

    There's nothing subjective about this story. It's as true as the sun rising in the east, limitles losing sobriety after 2 weeks, and Jewdonk's A/C being ice cold.

    Given that all of this has been verified 100%, how much does John deserve?

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    After some time allowed for the voting, I'll reveal what John got.

    I won't give my opinion yet regarding the amount I think he deserved.

    However, LOL @ anyone who seriously believes it's zero.

    I mean, if you are voting zero because you want to aggravate "John" by being a contrarian, then great job, I guess.

    And if you think John GOT zero, then I can understand that, as banks are notoriously difficult with giving customer service credits.

    But if you actually think John DESERVES zero, then I feel sorry for you, because you must repeatedly get made into a bitch by large companies, and you probably blame yourself for any problems you have with them.

    Anyone who has hours of their time wasted by a company due to a combination of incompetent mistakes and arrogant/asshole reps definitely deserves something back for their aggravation.

    It can't be legally required, and you can't force the company to give it to you, but you definitely deserve it. And pretty much every industry has a mechanism/procedure in place to provide such credits -- even banks.

    If you want to be a chump and not collect on it when you get screwed, so be it.

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    I wish John’s mom had actually gotten the card, lied about it, maxed it out on internet porn, and ruined John’s credit, preventing him from funding his internet poker addiction. That would have a good story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Does the card have a fee?

    My answer is John should be comped one year of that fee
    Reasonable answer, but this card has no fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm especially interested in hearing from the two people who voted "0.0" so far.
    The point is you are not at all interested in the opposing viewpoint. You’ve made that painfully obvious. You would never change your opinion in a million fucking years no matter what. So don’t say bullshit like this. Say:

    “I’d really like to debate the people who voted 0.0 and scream as loud as I can so they just eventually give up and slink away because I’m an obtuse moron. Never once in my life have I ever been wrong on any of my myriad customer service issues. NOT FUCKING ONCE! If you don’t believe me, read the next 46 paragraphs below where I will attempt to kill you with diatribe after diatribe.”

     
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    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsearles22 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm especially interested in hearing from the two people who voted "0.0" so far.
    The point is you are not at all interested in the opposing viewpoint. You’ve made that painfully obvious. You would never change your opinion in a million fucking years no matter what. So don’t say bullshit like this. Say:

    “I’d really like to debate the people who voted 0.0 and scream as loud as I can so they just eventually give up and slink away because I’m an obtuse moron. Never once in my life have I ever been wrong on any of my myriad customer service issues. NOT FUCKING ONCE! If you don’t believe me, read the next 46 paragraphs below where I will attempt to kill you with diatribe after diatribe.”
    Okay, so let's hear the opposing viewpoint.

    Tell me how "John" deserved 0.0 here, yet how jsearles22 deserved big compensation that time an ice cream shop gave his daughter the wrong flavor ice cream cone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jsearles22 View Post

    The point is you are not at all interested in the opposing viewpoint. You’ve made that painfully obvious. You would never change your opinion in a million fucking years no matter what. So don’t say bullshit like this. Say:

    “I’d really like to debate the people who voted 0.0 and scream as loud as I can so they just eventually give up and slink away because I’m an obtuse moron. Never once in my life have I ever been wrong on any of my myriad customer service issues. NOT FUCKING ONCE! If you don’t believe me, read the next 46 paragraphs below where I will attempt to kill you with diatribe after diatribe.”
    Okay, so let's hear the opposing viewpoint.

    Tell me how "John" deserved 0.0 here, yet how jsearles22 deserved big compensation that time an ice cream shop gave his daughter the wrong flavor ice cream cone.
    If I thought there was more than (I think I got that right finally) 0.0 chance of a constructive conversation I’d oblige, but I honestly don’t. So I won’t.

    I have 3 kids, all boys. I’ve never posted about an ice cream shop. I’ve never asked for “big compensation” for any CS issue my entire life. Maybe you should try being wrong less often.
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsearles22 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Okay, so let's hear the opposing viewpoint.

    Tell me how "John" deserved 0.0 here, yet how jsearles22 deserved big compensation that time an ice cream shop gave his daughter the wrong flavor ice cream cone.
    If I thought there was more than (I think I got that right finally) 0.0 chance of a constructive conversation I’d oblige, but I honestly don’t. So I won’t.

    I have 3 kids, all boys. I’ve never posted about an ice cream shop. I’ve never asked for “big compensation” for any CS issue my entire life. Maybe you should try being wrong less often.
    Sorry, it's been three years and I didn't remember all of the details.

    You're right, you never demanded big compensation over an ice cream cone.

    You started a thread about not getting a free cookie at KFC:

    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...Do-KFC-edition

    I will let the reader enjoy this trip down memory lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jsearles22 View Post

    If I thought there was more than (I think I got that right finally) 0.0 chance of a constructive conversation I’d oblige, but I honestly don’t. So I won’t.

    I have 3 kids, all boys. I’ve never posted about an ice cream shop. I’ve never asked for “big compensation” for any CS issue my entire life. Maybe you should try being wrong less often.
    Sorry, it's been three years and I didn't remember all of the details.

    You're right, you never demanded big compensation over an ice cream cone.

    You started a thread about not getting a free cookie at KFC:

    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...Do-KFC-edition

    I will let the reader enjoy this trip down memory lane.
    Apparently the “WWDD” mocking tone went right over your head. Which isn’t really a surprise at all. You though have argued over tomatoes on the side and French fries and a valet driving your car 0.4 miles. That’s just the tip of the iceburg. Do you think my KFC thread is a gotcha moment somehow?

    The poll is going well though. Currently 70% of respondents agree with me that you deserve nothing.

    ***EDIT- I just read the thread and you agreed with my sentiment! You are full blown retarded. You linked a thread trying to bash me and ITT you agreed with me. Is this real life?
    Last edited by jsearles22; 03-11-2019 at 08:50 AM.
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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