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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    The media isn’t in too big a hurry to report this, because it doesn’t fit the “trafficking” narrative, but apparently the women that serviced Kraft were all 40+, which is pretty typical for those kind of places.
    The news report mentions that the older women running the shop serviced Kraft, but that doesn’t mean that they also don’t traffick younger women who also service customers, which experts from various agencies, both in law enforcement and non-profit aid and intervention agencies, have publicly reported. So, where are you getting your information to make the general statement that I have bolded?
    Where are all these public reports you speak of that explicitly say there is evidence any of these shops trafficked underage girls? I would be shocked if you could actually come up with anything that wasn’t vague conjecture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard View Post
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    The news report mentions that the older women running the shop serviced Kraft, but that doesn’t mean that they also don’t traffick younger women who also service customers, which experts from various agencies, both in law enforcement and non-profit aid and intervention agencies, have publicly reported. So, where are you getting your information to make the general statement that I have bolded?
    Where are all these public reports you speak of that explicitly say there is evidence any of these shops trafficked underage girls? I would be shocked if you could actually come up with anything that wasn’t vague conjecture.

    Separate from the news reports that quote the police on this matter, I already provided a vid showing Salvation Army folks who mention this from their experience in the field working to give some of then comfort and hope. You, on the other hand, have provided no documented, or even personal anecdotal, evidence to support your claim that their is no substantial trafficking of younger women to work as sex workers in them. Provide the evidence to suppoet your claim, Dr. Hard Science.

     
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    You don’t prove negatives, you prove positives. You made a statement that something exists that doesn’t.

    The defense rests your honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard View Post
    The media isn’t in too big a hurry to report this, because it doesn’t fit the “trafficking” narrative, but apparently the women that serviced Kraft were all 40+, which is pretty typical for those kind of places.
    The news report mentions that the older women running the shop serviced Kraft, but that doesn’t mean that they also don’t traffick younger women who also service customers, which experts from various agencies, both in law enforcement and non-profit aid and intervention agencies, have publicly reported. So, where are you getting your information to make the general statement that I have bolded?
    I’m not saying that there are not young girls caught up in trafficing in the larger picture.

    There were no underage or even young girls in the 10 spas in question. All of them are between 30-50 from what I’m told.

     
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    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/pol...227186429.html

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    This is Li "Cindy" Yang photographed with the President and Junior. She was also photographed with 2 of the 3 most prominent members of Florida's Republican Party, Governor Ron DeSantis and Senator Rick Scott.

    Cindy Yang is the original owner of Orchids of Asia when it was known as Tokyo Day Spa and Massage. She sold it around 2013 to Hua Zhang who was charged in the Kraft case.

    According to internet reviews, there was sexual activity going on prior to 2013 and many of the women workers stayed on after the sale.

    Cindy and family members still own Tokyo Day parlors that have attracted the interest of law enforcement.

    She is a generous Republican donor.

    I doubt that Junior, Scott, and DeSantis have any idea who she is. As for the President given his lifestyle, who knows?

    The Miami Herald article fleshes out the details.

     
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    It’s also well known that Donald Trump lives in a house that was once occupied by men who supported slavery and raped women.


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    Where there is smoke there is fire. Needs to be impeached.

     
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      JohnCommode: I am getting old but I don't remember saying or suggesting anything like this. All this is more information about the connection between these seedy places and prominent Floridians. Trumpophiles need not lose any sleep.

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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.a6cb5af8a45f

    Kraft is now requesting a jury trial instead of a bench trial. Lawyers unconnected to the case have said that this will probably delay the case as jury trials are harder to schedule. The usual course of action for the Patriots in disputes is deny, deny, accuse. This beef they seem to be going with delay, delay, wear down the prosecution, get the charges dismissed, keep that tape from getting out. However, none of this is going to save Kraft from Goodell and the NFL with their punishment.

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    That case will never see a court room.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    That case will never see a court room.
    His legal team are, for now, stuck on trying to get him to fight this all the way with a non guilty verdict (but he's said he's sorry to the media...which, I dunno what that means.....unless it was "sorry I got caught").

    FL DA is stuck on getting him to admit his guilt (either by admitting it and sealing the evidence in exchange for the plea; or having the case go to court, and since FL has some of the more robust public records laws in the nation, that means the video WILL come out).

    Kraft may have a play however to get off....this case. 13 others along with him are also going the same route, which I get into detail below.

    FL cops, despite their "trafficking" claims to the media, there hasn't actually been any trafficking charges levied to anyone within Jupiter's county....and FL cops tend to be over zealous about prosecuting these type of sex crimes historically (they prosecute sex crime like the North does gun crime):

    In the trafficking sting in Martin County, meanwhile, there were no individuals charged with human trafficking, only with prostitution. The owner of Orchids of Asia, Hua Zhang, was charged with deriving support from the proceeds of prostitution, soliciting another to commit prostitution, renting space to be used for prostitution, and maintaining a house of prostitution. The vast majority of the arrests in both counties were of men soliciting prostitutes. On CNN, Martin County Sheriff William Snyder said police are trying to figure out why women would “go and allow themselves to be trafficked.”

    While it has only been a few days since the arrests were announced and further charges are possible, the stings were months in the making, so law enforcement agencies simply may not have enough evidence for trafficking charges. Sex-worker-rights advocates say it is very common for police to overstate their findings in trafficking stings. “Our legislators and law enforcement have been led to believe that sex trafficking is huge in Florida, but studies have shown that because sex trafficking and sex work is being conflated all the time,” said Alex Andrews, a sex worker in the Orlando area and an advocate with the Sex Workers Outreach Project.
    While the overall sting is a big hit to the mega churches and the people who go to them to contribute to the sheriff's political campaigns (sheriffs run for office in FL), there's a bigger public distinction b/t consensual adults negotiating getting a beanie after a tug at a whore den......and someone who was forced to give said beanie, against their will.

    This also allows the Kraft PR team to spin it differently as well; one is seen as gross and pretty funny (consensual prostitution) while the other is seen as inhumane and injust (taking advantage of an individual doing something against their will). And if it's ultimately just solicitation that Kraft is fighting, that would probably be way easier to beat (pun intended) than being asked to accept the plea or be forced into being a part of the larger investigation (trafficking) that Florida cops, quite frankly, seem to be over the top with here.
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    All of this commotion over an old man getting a hand job from some old chinese lady? This country and it's laws are an absolute joke

     
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    I love the guy, but, damn, he kinda brought it on himself.

    If he was Robert Kraft the janitor, I'd feel sorry for the guy, but when you have the means to get uber discretionary sex, then you get what you pay for..
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    Quote Originally Posted by big dick View Post
    All of this commotion over an old getting a hand job from some old chinese lady? This coutry and it's laws are an absolute joke
    2 hand jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCommode View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.a6cb5af8a45f

    Kraft is now requesting a jury trial instead of a bench trial. Lawyers unconnected to the case have said that this will probably delay the case as jury trials are harder to schedule. The usual course of action for the Patriots in disputes is deny, deny, accuse. This beef they seem to be going with delay, delay, wear down the prosecution, get the charges dismissed, keep that tape from getting out. However, none of this is going to save Kraft from Goodell and the NFL with their punishment.
    Move to try and get a jury trial in a misdemeanor case is an iffy move of somebody who has the money to basically put the screws back to the system.. There was a gal who had a jury trial for misdemeanor indecent exposure here in Scottsdale AZ lasted 2 weeks was the longest misdemeanor jury case in state history.. She won.... Likely the jury decided it was a massive waste of time.. Some states wont allow jury trials on such cases unless its a jailable offence likely.. Kraft knows damn well this move by him is the legal move of somebody raising a fist to you to try and hit you and you pull a gun and shot them dead in the forehead.. Talking tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees for a case that would cost less then $500 in fines and court costs.. Nobody gives a shit about a stupid rub and tug criminal charge and at his age he isn't trying to get a job hes doing this to make a point and making his own lawyers on retainer money..

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    Chinese woman carrying ‘malware’ arrested at Mar-a-Lago heading to a Cindy Yang event

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    "Prosecutors: No Evidence of Human Trafficking in Kraft Case"

    https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...508481301.html

    Of course, everyone but Druff already knew this, but if you say it at the time of the headlines it can brainwash naive people and taint the jury pool. They may or may not backpedal later.

    Games the government plays...

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    When will the videos be up on pornhub?

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    I really don't know if The Blast is a reliable site for trashy issues but they are claiming that the Kraft massage parlor tapes have been shopped to them and other news organizations. They were shown the tapes and verified that they were legit.

    https://theblast.com/robert-kraft-na...shopped-media/

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    No Video release or use at trial.

    Victory for all good lawyers once again!

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