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    was there a shift from that utopian leftist ideology to neo-fascist constitutionalism at some point?

    because the majority of facebook libertarians are essentially republicans whom feel their party is too leftist for their tastes, and they get absolutely scorched on the reg by the 'core' libertarians whose lives are measured out in selfies where they are making the "AOK" finger sign next to ron paul.

    and the entirety of their moral compass is derived from an openly religious reverence for the constitution, of all things.
    it sounds like the non-americans have a completely different (and even opposite) definition of libertarianism than americans
    Yes, the Americans appear to have embraced the term in the early 20th century and made it their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    was there a shift from that utopian leftist ideology to neo-fascist constitutionalism at some point?

    because the majority of facebook libertarians are essentially republicans whom feel their party is too leftist for their tastes, and they get absolutely scorched on the reg by the 'core' libertarians whose lives are measured out in selfies where they are making the "AOK" finger sign next to ron paul.

    and the entirety of their moral compass is derived from an openly religious reverence for the constitution, of all things.
    it sounds like the non-americans have a completely (and even opposite) definition of libertarianism than americans
    in their defense ive never seen a more mercurial political agenda. ever.

    libertarians are basically habitual contrarians who hate cops, the fed, and roe v wade.

    even my hyper-leftist friends love 'taxation is theft' and those police checkpoint 'am i being detained' videos but the novelty wears off in about 3 mouseclicks once they learn about timothy mcveigh and start seeing that those insane 'planned parenthood = murderers' memes are being taken super literally by people who absolutely believe miniguns mounted in the back of their range rovers are a constitutional right.

    i do love watching them kick the shit out of republitards however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
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    Classic libertarians never supported soaking the rich with high taxes.

    They also don't support affirmative action.
    Well, classic libertarians are mostly revolutionaries at heart.

    Abolishing capitalism is a cornerstone of their beliefs. I'd hazard a guess that redistributing wealth would be an extremely high priority for a true classic/traditional libertarian.

    I think your understanding is awry on what a classic libertarian actually is. Anarcho-capitalism seems to fit much better.
    Sorry, but I must respond as follows:



    Classic libertariarism is rooted in the notions of free market capitalism promotednin Adam Smith’s anti-merchantism tome, .”Weslth of Nations”, and expected governments to support free market capitalism through the vigorous enforcement of contracts. In contrast, anatcho-capitalists believe that governments shouldn’t exist at all, and instead believe that contracts (and all property and personal safety rights) should be enforced through private contracting.

    For reference, journalist John Stossel, mentioned and linked above, does a pretty good job representing classic lbertarian thinking, while YouTube philosophy/anti-family cultist Stephen Molyneux espouses the inexorably flawed logic of anarcho-capitalism.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    Well, classic libertarians are mostly revolutionaries at heart.

    Abolishing capitalism is a cornerstone of their beliefs. I'd hazard a guess that redistributing wealth would be an extremely high priority for a true classic/traditional libertarian.

    I think your understanding is awry on what a classic libertarian actually is. Anarcho-capitalism seems to fit much better.
    Sorry, but I must respond as follows:



    Classic libertariarism is rooted in the notions of free market capitalism promotednin Adam Smith’s anti-merchantism tome, .”Weslth of Nations”, and expected governments to support free market capitalism through the vigorous enforcement of contracts. In contrast, anatcho-capitalists believe that governments shouldn’t exist at all, and instead believe that contracts (and all property and personal safety rights) should be enforced through private contracting.

    For reference, journalist John Stossel, mentioned and linked above, does a pretty good job representing classic lbertarian thinking, while YouTube philosophy/anti-family cultist Stephen Molyneux espouses the inexorably flawed logic of anarcho-capitalism.

    What's Mercantilism got to do with Libertarianism?

    I'd say libertarianism originates from Anarchism.

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    I get it, but you're talking about modern American libertarianism according to Rothbard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
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    Sorry, but I must respond as follows:



    Classic libertariarism is rooted in the notions of free market capitalism promotednin Adam Smith’s anti-merchantism tome, .”Weslth of Nations”, and expected governments to support free market capitalism through the vigorous enforcement of contracts. In contrast, anatcho-capitalists believe that governments shouldn’t exist at all, and instead believe that contracts (and all property and personal safety rights) should be enforced through private contracting.

    For reference, journalist John Stossel, mentioned and linked above, does a pretty good job representing classic lbertarian thinking, while YouTube philosophy/anti-family cultist Stephen Molyneux espouses the inexorably flawed logic of anarcho-capitalism.

    What's Mercantilism got to do with Libertarianism?

    I'd say libertarianism originates from Anarchism.

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    I get it, but you're talking about modern American libertarianism according to Rothbard.
    Merchantilism, in which the government protects home industries at the expense of free trade, was *the* go-to model for how nation states used to manage their trade before Adam’s Smith expounded on the merits of free markets. Libertarianism arose out of that revolution in economic thinking during the 19th century, and was revived in the 20th century with the advent of the Austrian school of economics as a reaction to the rise of socialism and communism. And was further celebrated as the be-all-and-end-all by the Nobel Prize-winning economist, Milton Friedman.

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    cool story mumblespedia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    What's Mercantilism got to do with Libertarianism?

    I'd say libertarianism originates from Anarchism.

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    I get it, but you're talking about modern American libertarianism according to Rothbard.
    Merchantilism, in which the government protects home industries at the expense of free trade, was *the* go-to model for how nation states used to manage their trade before Adam’s Smith expounded on the merits of free markets. Libertarianism arose out of that revolution in economic thinking during the 19th century, and was revived in the 20th century with the advent of the Austrian school of economics as a reaction to the rise of socialism and communism. And was further celebrated as the be-all-and-end-all by the Nobel Prize-winning economist, Milton Friedman.

    Classic/traditional libertarianism is a left wing ideal, in which abolishing capitalism and private ownership is a fundemental belief.

    Contemporary American libertarianism is something altogether different. American libertarians are capitalists who are pro private property rights. Capitalism can not exist without government or some form of governance, whether private or not.

    Perhaps the term minarchism suits you better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post

    Merchantilism, in which the government protects home industries at the expense of free trade, was *the* go-to model for how nation states used to manage their trade before Adam’s Smith expounded on the merits of free markets. Libertarianism arose out of that revolution in economic thinking during the 19th century, and was revived in the 20th century with the advent of the Austrian school of economics as a reaction to the rise of socialism and communism. And was further celebrated as the be-all-and-end-all by the Nobel Prize-winning economist, Milton Friedman.

    Classic/traditional libertarianism is a left wing ideal, in which abolishing capitalism and private ownership is a fundemental belief.

    Contemporary American libertarianism is something altogether different. American libertarians are capitalists who are pro private property rights. Capitalism can not exist without government or some form of governance, whether private or not.

    Perhaps the term minarchism suits you better?
    I now see what you are saying. It’s due to my American background with respect to the history of political terms. I’ve been viewing “classic” libertarianism as the foundations of political thought prior to the modern era that as discussed in this Cato Institute article that is best labeled as “classical liberalism”.
    https://www.cato.org/policy-report/m...ertarian-ideas

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    I thought Druff and Glantz were pals?




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post
    I thought Druff and Glantz were pals?




    his post about mullah omar going to bat for a transitioned male competing in womens weight lifting is legit fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    cool story mumblespedia.
    Not as cool as this one: In graduate school, I attended a special honorary speaking engagement by James Buchanan (the economist, not the president), who had recently been awarded the often-misnamed Nobel Prize in Economics. I arrived almost late and grabbed a seat on the end of a row near the front right behind Walter Oi (Google “A Disneyland Dilemma”), who happened to be blind. Little did I know that it is severely frowned upon to pet the seeing-eye dog of a blind person without their permission. Oi’s German Shephard, which was down on the floor in the aisle next to Oi’s seat, seemed to like it, but the guy sitting next to Oi gave me the evil eye after he noticed what I was doing. Lesson learned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post

    Classic/traditional libertarianism is a left wing ideal, in which abolishing capitalism and private ownership is a fundemental belief.

    Contemporary American libertarianism is something altogether different. American libertarians are capitalists who are pro private property rights. Capitalism can not exist without government or some form of governance, whether private or not.

    Perhaps the term minarchism suits you better?
    I now see what you are saying. It’s due to my American background with respect to the history of political terms. I’ve been viewing “classic” libertarianism as the foundations of political thought prior to the modern era that as discussed in this Cato Institute article that is best labeled as “classical liberalism”.
    https://www.cato.org/policy-report/m...ertarian-ideas

    Thanks for being patient with me.
    Contemporary American libertarianism has very little in common with old school anarchists and libertarians.

    One is an extreme left wing ideal with arguably thousands of years of history. The other is a creation of the old right with very little history beyond the mid 20th century.

    The only thing they really share is that they are both very unlikely to become reality.

    Perhaps The American Cockblocking Party would have been a more honest representation.

     
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    cool story mumblespedia.
    Not as cool as this one: In graduate school, I attended a special honorary speaking engagement by James Buchanan (the economist, not the president), who had recently been awarded the often-misnamed Nobel Prize in Economics. I arrived almost late and grabbed a seat on the end of a row near the front right behind Walter Oi (Google “A Disneyland Dilemma”), who happened to be blind. Little did I know that it is severely frowned upon to pet the seeing-eye dog of a blind person without their permission. Oi’s German Shephard, which was down on the floor in the aisle next to Oi’s seat, seemed to like it, but the guy sitting next to Oi gave me the evil eye after he noticed what I was doing. Lesson learned!


    How the hell are you a grown adult and not know the basic courtesy and common fucking sense of not fucking with a service animal??

    Even my 10 year old son knows this

     
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    If PFA has taught me anything over the years it’s that Americans have a very narrow understanding of politics and everything can be categorised as “conservatives” or “liberal”. For example, libertarians are “conservatives” and socialists are “liberals”. It actually hurts my brain to write this nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    If PFA has taught me anything over the years it’s that Americans have a very narrow understanding of politics and everything can be categorised as “conservatives” or “liberal”. For example, libertarians are “conservatives” and socialists are “liberals”. It actually hurts my brain to write this nonsense.

    Something which has become quite apparent to me... is that American conservatives are some of the worst people on our planet.

    They're vile, inhumane, subhuman scumbags who don't deserve the oxygen which we all share for free.

    Though it does seem that some are worse than others.

    Like, imagine being born into relative comfort, or even wealth, then actively pushing for the government to keep their foot on the throats of those without, or even those who just struggle to make ends meet?

    Imagine wanting to deprive kids and poor people the same level of medical care as you while you sit on your inherited pot of gold?

    It takes a special type of cold-hearted bastard to be that person. And there's fuckin loads of them too. So sad.


    Its got to the point were only Bernie & Jezza can sort these pigs out I think.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    If PFA has taught me anything over the years it’s that Americans have a very narrow understanding of politics and everything can be categorised as “conservatives” or “liberal”. For example, libertarians are “conservatives” and socialists are “liberals”. It actually hurts my brain to write this nonsense.

    Something which has become quite apparent to me... is that American conservatives are some of the worst people on our planet.

    They're vile, inhumane, subhuman scumbags who don't deserve the oxygen which we all share for free.
    Other than that.....not too bad right? How dare you throw that word "free" in at the end
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    I'm actually surprised to see those tweets, especially because she didn't deny not bashing the left when I accused her of it. (She only used the "Republicans are in power now" excuse.)

    Anything since 2014, though? Perhaps she changed her tune politically?

    BTW, I wouldn't be so quick to label her a "thinking person".

    She wasn't even able to process the discussion of Snopes being biased, despite tons of evidence being laid directly at her feet. Go back and read the conversation. It was sometime in early July, I think.

    Also, she claimed to want to know the backstory behind why Joy was saying what she did about me, and when I offered to link her to stories (not by me) about Joy's background, she declined.

    Clearly someone who doesn't like to read anything which challenges their current views.
    In all fairness druff this seems to be the position you;ve taken in this thread when presented with contradictory evidence by numerous posters. That being said I did not read the last 5 pages so I accept I could be wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm actually surprised to see those tweets, especially because she didn't deny not bashing the left when I accused her of it. (She only used the "Republicans are in power now" excuse.)

    Anything since 2014, though? Perhaps she changed her tune politically?

    BTW, I wouldn't be so quick to label her a "thinking person".

    She wasn't even able to process the discussion of Snopes being biased, despite tons of evidence being laid directly at her feet. Go back and read the conversation. It was sometime in early July, I think.

    Also, she claimed to want to know the backstory behind why Joy was saying what she did about me, and when I offered to link her to stories (not by me) about Joy's background, she declined.

    Clearly someone who doesn't like to read anything which challenges their current views.
    In all fairness druff this seems to be the position you;ve taken in this thread when presented with contradictory evidence by numerous posters. That being said I did not read the last 5 pages so I accept I could be wrong here.
    Incorrect.

    I read everything presented by the opposition and think about it. Often I disagree, and explain why.

    Emily actually refuses to read or consider things she doesn't want to contradict her views.

    For example, regarding Joy, she told a sob story about my radio show supposedly harassing her (back on Donkdown). Emily then expressed curiosity and said she wanted to hear all the details. I then responded explaining Joy's unethical history in poker, and offered to link her to threads/blogs/articles about that. She declined, telling me that she had no interest in seeing that stuff.

    That's pretty much her in a nutshell.

    If someone said to me, "Hey Todd, your friend XXXXX is very shady, let me direct you to these links to read all about it", 100% I would want to see them. I may or may not agree with the content/conclusions in those links, but I wouldn't shield myself from seeing it.

    Instead, Emily was all, "Oh yes Joy, tell us about how Todd harassed you!", and then when I said, "Um, no, Joy actually victimized a lot of people in poker, let me show you what she did", she refused to take a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    In all fairness druff this seems to be the position you;ve taken in this thread when presented with contradictory evidence by numerous posters. That being said I did not read the last 5 pages so I accept I could be wrong here.
    Incorrect.

    I read everything presented by the opposition and think about it. Often I disagree, and explain why.

    Emily actually refuses to read or consider things she doesn't want to contradict her views.

    For example, regarding Joy, she told a sob story about my radio show supposedly harassing her (back on Donkdown). Emily then expressed curiosity and said she wanted to hear all the details. I then responded explaining Joy's unethical history in poker, and offered to link her to threads/blogs/articles about that. She declined, telling me that she had no interest in seeing that stuff.

    That's pretty much her in a nutshell.

    If someone said to me, "Hey Todd, your friend XXXXX is very shady, let me direct you to these links to read all about it", 100% I would want to see them. I may or may not agree with the content/conclusions in those links, but I wouldn't shield myself from seeing it.

    Instead, Emily was all, "Oh yes Joy, tell us about how Todd harassed you!", and then when I said, "Um, no, Joy actually victimized a lot of people in poker, let me show you what she did", she refused to take a look.
    You do realize you harassing her and her victimizing people in poker aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive right?
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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