In case you're wondering where 4Dragons went...

[Mintjewlips]

Empathy from an old man that enjoys my little pony.......typical.....birds of a feather....and what not....

[sonatine]

Empathy from an old man that enjoys my little pony.......typical.....birds of a feather....and what not....

oh wild a self hating mexican truck driver making the lowest common denominator joke despite it not really making any sense.

what empathy?

im pointing at the charges and saying this range of offenses fits, and these other ones dont.

[Mintjewlips]

What joke? The only joke here is you, actually trying to draw shades of grey with something that's so obviously black and white, you pudgy oaf...

[sonatine]

What joke? The only joke here is you, actually trying to draw shades of grey with something that's so obviously black and white, you pudgy oaf...

whatever gets you through the next delivery of entenmann's coffee cakes, juan.

[Mintjewlips]

What joke? The only joke here is you, actually trying to draw shades of grey with something that's so obviously black and white, you pudgy oaf...

whatever gets you through the next delivery of entenmann's coffee cakes, juan.

Yea I'll see you there, our number Juan customer...

[MumblesBadly]

That asshole is lucky he wasn’t living in Florida when caught.

https://www.jacksonvillecriminalatto...r_residency_1/

[sonatine]

whatever gets you through the next delivery of entenmann's coffee cakes, juan.

Yea I'll see you there, our number Juan customer...

in my defense those coffee cakes are actually incredible.

[Lord of the Fraud]

there is a huge, huge difference between giving someone benefit of the doubt and spelling out that the charges cover an enormous number of scenarios.

But absolutely all of those scenarios involve Him KNOWINGLY engaging in some form of child porn activity.

I honestly can't see a grey area here.


If you can convince me that this could happen to any one of us, then I'm snap logging off the internet for life.

i feel like youre polarizing pretty much everything i type so im not going to bother with nuances; if he's some cp baron, where is the jail time?

no seriously.

im hard pressed to call what landed on his wrist a slap even.

Look, I don't know where the line is when it comes to child porn in America. If he's been snagged for watching/distributing 16/17yo's doing porn, then he legit has my sympathy.

So I will concede that that is a grey area if the law can ruin your life for that... Though still a bit creepy, I assume most of us would agree with that?

Here, you wouldn't get done for watching a 16yo consensually having a dick in her ass (I think). But I constantly see people walk with a similar light sentence to 4d for having thousands of indecent images of young children (16-). So this is where I'm struggling to believe that he may have just gotten unlucky.

But I'll happily climb down if he's stepped his toe over a very harsh line... Though right now I'm thinking he's a dirty fucking beast who's dabbled in (16-) child pornography.

[OSA]

Yea I'll see you there, our number Juan customer...

in my defense those coffee cakes are actually incredible.

Sprinkled Pop ems ainec

[Lord of the Fraud]

Is anybody here trying to get some clarity on exactly what he did?

[Julian Assange]

What joke? The only joke here is you, actually trying to draw shades of grey with something that's so obviously black and white, you pudgy oaf...

whatever gets you through the next delivery of entenmann's coffee cakes, juan.

It’s Pedro actually.

[snowtracks]

Is anybody here trying to get some clarity on exactly what he did?

Nothing compared to Lewfather!

We got convicts, pedofiles, grifters, drunks, & other various scumbags here at PFA.

Lew deserves another chance. (fu handicapme before you rep)

[sonatine]

But I constantly see people walk with a similar light sentence to 4d for having thousands of indecent images of young children (16-). So this is where I'm struggling to believe that he may have just gotten unlucky.

But I'll happily climb down if he's stepped his toe over a very harsh line... Though right now I'm thinking he's a dirty fucking beast who's dabbled in (16-) child pornography.

and in a similar theme, if somehow he simply gamed the system despite actively participating in the cp scene, im more than happy to man the gallows.

[Dan Druff]

Also I’m not a fan of 4d primarily for his alt right views but is there a reason this guys personal Info is being posted here? We just had an issue about a guy who planned his fake death because he was being harassed in here. Supposedly at least .... hence why I’m pretty much gone as well

This guy likely already had his life ruined because of this and I fail to see why it’s okay for the site owner to post his real name. As far as I know nothing here has anything to do with this website .

Again this is coming from someone who didn’t like the guy... you could have simply stated the issue without linking to his real name. God knows with how many enemies he’s had what some people on this forum will do

He wasn't totally private with his name. At one point he left the forum and linked to his Twitter, which had his full name up there for everyone to see.

For that reason, a ton of people here knew his name anyway.

People would have googled and found it anyway.

I also felt that this crime was serious enough to where the protection of personal info was less important than letting the community know.

Let's say he was in jail for a DUI, or for dealing drugs. I wouldn't have posted about it, and I would have protected his personal info if people did attempt to post a link to a mugshot with his name.

However, this one crossed the line enough to where I felt people should know.

It definitely wasn't personal, as I never had a problem with 4Dragons.

He's in the sex offender registry. If he's in danger, it would be from some vigilante in his area looking at the registry and wanting to harass pedos, rather than anyone from here.

[Dan Druff]

The problem with downloading/uploading porn of 16-17 year olds is that often you're not watching something consensual. Many times these kids are forced/blackmailed into it by someone (even parents), or sometimes it's a porn-for-drugs trade, or sometimes they will pick up homeless teen runaways and make them do this in exchange for money and shelter.

These aren't adults making porn a career choice.

This is the same reason why seeking underage prostitutes is so bad (and why Jared from Subway got such a long sentence).

Keep in mind that many states, including Nevada, have an age of consent of 16. However, you still can't watch 16-year-olds in porn in these states, for the reasons stated above.

Even if you feel 16-year-olds can make the choice to have sex with adults without it being any kind of crime, porn is a completely different matter.

With that said, like others here, I would love to know what kind of child porn he was downloading/trading. I will concede that it's far more serious if it involved little children, versus teenagers.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Druff is right about the twitter angle. I remember clicking the link in his sig and the cunt had over 100,000 followers. obv 99% were bots, but he did put himself out there.

I do think Druff digs up personal info on people he doesn't like on here though, for a potentially rainy day.

[Dan Druff]

I saw that dupe account Julian Assange wanted to know how I found this out.

No, I wasn't doing research on PFA users.

Someone found this and PM'd it to me. I won't reveal who did it. They did not explain to me why they were looking him up.

After some thinking about what to do, I decided it was better for the community that I reveal it.

[Dan Druff]

Just to clarify, I will only reveal something like this to the public if:

- Someone has been arrested for a crime which makes it far more likely that they would scam people here. I'm talking about a recent or semi-recent arrest, not if you were arrested 20 years ago for stealing out of the cash register at your job.

OR

- Someone has been arrested for a serious crime


It's a tough dance sometimes figuring out how to straddle the line between privacy of users and protection of the community.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Just to clarify, I will only reveal something like this to the public if:

- Someone has been arrested for a crime which makes it far more likely that they would scam people here. I'm talking about a recent or semi-recent arrest, not if you were arrested 20 years ago for stealing out of the cash register at your job.

OR

- Someone has been arrested for a serious crime


It's a tough dance sometimes figuring out how to straddle the line between privacy of users and protection of the community.

The point is you knowing the private info to divulge in the first place.

You've explained that 4d came from a pm (so you say) but I think most private people on here are concerned about you being a bit of a snoop.

[Crowe Diddly]

Is anybody here trying to get some clarity on exactly what he did?

Looking up court docs in the US can be very hit or miss, depending on whether Federal, State, County, family court, supreme court, local appeals, federal appeals, ... Every court has different amounts of info online. In the best cases, you can find every court doc down to when court payments were made and accounted for line by line. In a lot of case, you can't find shit, and don't even know where to start.

4d doesn't appear to be one of those cases where you find the court search engine and they vomit up everything.