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    Expensive Minneapolis suburbs to be blighted by apartment buildings

    In a misguided move to prevent racism in housing, Minneapolis has done away with "single family zoning", meaning that no neighborhoods can be zoned for single-family houses only.

    This will give rise to apartment buildings popping up in these neighborhoods, which will slowly lead to their decline and an overall plummeting of property values there.

    The rationale for the decision is that single-family zoning was supposedly borne from racism, after racial zoning laws were made illegal a long time ago. Supposedly it was assumed at the time that zoning neighborhoods as "single family house only" would price out most black people.

    Whether or not that story is true is debatable, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is whether single family zoning is racist today, and whether it serves any valid function.

    It definitely serves a valid function. Single family home neighborhoods tend to attract not just families, but families with pride in the neighborhood and the desire to set roots in the area for a long time. Apartments, on the other hand, often attract non-families and those who are not looking for a place to live long term. It is not fair to drag down longstanding nice single family home neighborhoods with the construction of apartment buildings.

    Furthermore, this looks a lot like socialism to me. Rather than allowing the middle and upper class people to spend their hard-earned money to live away from the criminal elements, the city is forcing the criminal elements back into all neighborhoods.

    Basically they're saying, "It's not fair that Minnesota has good and bad neighborhoods, so let's make them all bad."

    Details are here: https://slate.com/business/2018/12/m...ng-racism.html ... though note that the article is on left-wing site Slate, which is heavily biased in favor of this decision.

    BTW, this is basically the same argument which led to busing students from poorer areas into public schools in richer areas. The result was ruining all of the schools. Los Angeles did this decades ago (and still does), which is why the city school district is considered so terrible, and why a bunch of lousy-but-expensive private schools sprung up, which still succeed to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In a misguided move to prevent racism in housing, Minneapolis has done away with "single family zoning", meaning that no neighborhoods can be zoned for single-family houses only.

    This will give rise to apartment buildings popping up in these neighborhoods, which will slowly lead to their decline and an overall plummeting of property values there.

    The rationale for the decision is that single-family zoning was supposedly borne from racism, after racial zoning laws were made illegal a long time ago. Supposedly it was assumed at the time that zoning neighborhoods as "single family house only" would price out most black people.

    Whether or not that story is true is debatable, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is whether single family zoning is racist today, and whether it serves any valid function.

    It definitely serves a valid function. Single family home neighborhoods tend to attract not just families, but families with pride in the neighborhood and the desire to set roots in the area for a long time. Apartments, on the other hand, often attract non-families and those who are not looking for a place to live long term. It is not fair to drag down longstanding nice single family home neighborhoods with the construction of apartment buildings.

    Furthermore, this looks a lot like socialism to me. Rather than allowing the middle and upper class people to spend their hard-earned money to live away from the criminal elements, the city is forcing the criminal elements back into all neighborhoods.

    Basically they're saying, "It's not fair that Minnesota has good and bad neighborhoods, so let's make them all bad."

    Details are here: https://slate.com/business/2018/12/m...ng-racism.html ... though note that the article is on left-wing site Slate, which is heavily biased in favor of this decision.

    BTW, this is basically the same argument which led to busing students from poorer areas into public schools in richer areas. The result was ruining all of the schools. Los Angeles did this decades ago (and still does), which is why the city school district is considered so terrible, and why a bunch of lousy-but-expensive private schools sprung up, which still succeed to this day.
    Oh for shame. These suburbs. Compare to Vancouver, B.C.
    Burnaby, B.C., a traditional single family home suburb bordering Vancouver city limits.
    It's close to the big city but not the big city. My wife's family grew up there, dad a longshoreman.
    Real estate prices today have made anyone owning a single family dwelling in Burnaby a millionaire.

    These are average houses by any standards. Not many average families in the market for buying these average
    homes at a million plus.
    Today.......high rise apartment complexes are being built in Burnaby left right and center. They house the young, the old, the working class. Those who rely on public transit to get to their jobs in the city.
    Too bad, so sad

    Oh, by the way, who's complaining if the local government signed off on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In a misguided move to prevent racism in housing, Minneapolis has done away with "single family zoning", meaning that no neighborhoods can be zoned for single-family houses only.

    This will give rise to apartment buildings popping up in these neighborhoods, which will slowly lead to their decline and an overall plummeting of property values there.

    The rationale for the decision is that single-family zoning was supposedly borne from racism, after racial zoning laws were made illegal a long time ago. Supposedly it was assumed at the time that zoning neighborhoods as "single family house only" would price out most black people.

    Whether or not that story is true is debatable, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is whether single family zoning is racist today, and whether it serves any valid function.

    It definitely serves a valid function. Single family home neighborhoods tend to attract not just families, but families with pride in the neighborhood and the desire to set roots in the area for a long time. Apartments, on the other hand, often attract non-families and those who are not looking for a place to live long term. It is not fair to drag down longstanding nice single family home neighborhoods with the construction of apartment buildings.

    Furthermore, this looks a lot like socialism to me. Rather than allowing the middle and upper class people to spend their hard-earned money to live away from the criminal elements, the city is forcing the criminal elements back into all neighborhoods.

    Basically they're saying, "It's not fair that Minnesota has good and bad neighborhoods, so let's make them all bad."

    Details are here: https://slate.com/business/2018/12/m...ng-racism.html ... though note that the article is on left-wing site Slate, which is heavily biased in favor of this decision.

    BTW, this is basically the same argument which led to busing students from poorer areas into public schools in richer areas. The result was ruining all of the schools. Los Angeles did this decades ago (and still does), which is why the city school district is considered so terrible, and why a bunch of lousy-but-expensive private schools sprung up, which still succeed to this day.
    YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.

    Also there is no racism in one family houses..

    IVE ACTUALLY SEEN WHAT YOUR DESCRIBED, more then once..

    Whether it be in the suburbs part of the Bronx or moving out to Westchester or queens and long island..

    that part is definitely headed towards and downward and unrecognizable spiral.

    Eventually the school system will suffer and property taxes will go up on the hones, not the buildings..

    No parking, crime, bodegas..

    ITS ALL COMING THERE NOW, ABSOLUTELY!!!!

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    Then in 10 years the same people calling the single family housing as racist will scratch there head about "white flight"

    Then after middle class white flight, then working class will leave..

    HELLO DETROIT!!

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    as a homeowner i would absolutely lose my fucking mind if this was legislated in my zipcode.

     
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    This is clearly socialist thinking. Those neighborhoods will suffer a quick decline.

    It is time we accept life isn't fair, some people are born with opportunities other's don't have, period.

    By this housing logic why stop there why don't we raise the net from 10 to 12 ft. for people over 6'6 and make faster runners in sports wear weighted bags or maybe smarter people start with broken pencils and they have to use their own blood to answer questions.

    Life isn't fair, you do your best and that's that. The attempt to equalize everything is a socialist one that always leads to disaster and murder.

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    How many Trump votes in the incredibly close state that could decide the next election does this create? 44k vote gap in 2016.

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    it will be offset by all the gross somalis they let in and or suuuuuuunatine blotting out the sun and ushering in a new ice age

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    What is socialist about this? Do any of you know what socialism is? Druff has lost his mind.

     
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    todge are you gonna do something about these white communist trash pieces

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In a misguided move to prevent racism in housing, Minneapolis has done away with "single family zoning", meaning that no neighborhoods can be zoned for single-family houses only.

    This will give rise to apartment buildings popping up in these neighborhoods, which will slowly lead to their decline and an overall plummeting of property values there.

    The rationale for the decision is that single-family zoning was supposedly borne from racism, after racial zoning laws were made illegal a long time ago. Supposedly it was assumed at the time that zoning neighborhoods as "single family house only" would price out most black people.

    Whether or not that story is true is debatable, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is whether single family zoning is racist today, and whether it serves any valid function.
    Whenever reading a news article or an op ed you should consider the very premise they are based on.
    If you look at the first sentence underlined, in fact the first few words, you would imagine that the good people of Minneapolis have adopted a housing policy based on race. Now, I don't know many collective groups, especially city councils that base their housing decisions based on race. More often they are looking to solve problems like affordable housing near enough to facilities and employment for the average citizen.

    Todd Witless promoted this idea from reading a news article I assume. Not a word of it has been backed by any fact provided.

    So be careful. You stupid fucking morons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In a misguided move to prevent racism in housing, Minneapolis has done away with "single family zoning", meaning that no neighborhoods can be zoned for single-family houses only.

    This will give rise to apartment buildings popping up in these neighborhoods, which will slowly lead to their decline and an overall plummeting of property values there.

    The rationale for the decision is that single-family zoning was supposedly borne from racism, after racial zoning laws were made illegal a long time ago. Supposedly it was assumed at the time that zoning neighborhoods as "single family house only" would price out most black people.

    Whether or not that story is true is debatable, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is whether single family zoning is racist today, and whether it serves any valid function.

    It definitely serves a valid function. Single family home neighborhoods tend to attract not just families, but families with pride in the neighborhood and the desire to set roots in the area for a long time. Apartments, on the other hand, often attract non-families and those who are not looking for a place to live long term. It is not fair to drag down longstanding nice single family home neighborhoods with the construction of apartment buildings.

    Furthermore, this looks a lot like socialism to me. Rather than allowing the middle and upper class people to spend their hard-earned money to live away from the criminal elements, the city is forcing the criminal elements back into all neighborhoods.

    Basically they're saying, "It's not fair that Minnesota has good and bad neighborhoods, so let's make them all bad."

    Details are here: https://slate.com/business/2018/12/m...ng-racism.html ... though note that the article is on left-wing site Slate, which is heavily biased in favor of this decision.

    BTW, this is basically the same argument which led to busing students from poorer areas into public schools in richer areas. The result was ruining all of the schools. Los Angeles did this decades ago (and still does), which is why the city school district is considered so terrible, and why a bunch of lousy-but-expensive private schools sprung up, which still succeed to this day.
    I read the article...I think Druff is misrepresenting again...while the article discusses real problems of affordable housing vs population density, I don't see Druff's implied claim that big multi-unit high density apartment building will be allowed next to single family homes...rather only triplex housing are allowed; plus casitas and garage conversions are already allowed...and also already allowed is the Armenian mansion workaround strategy--where the home is expanded to a McMansion and three generations of a family move in (with the elders quit claiming all their ownership so they can qualify for Medicaid plus SSI, they worked off books for all their lives so they get no social security) and annoy neighbors by playing their stereo loud and clogging the streets parking their leased BMW's
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    great story faggot also hey guys MORE LIKE MINNESNOWTA AM I RIGHT

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    MINNESNOWTA IS THIS THING ON

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    What is socialist about this? Do any of you know what socialism is? Druff has lost his mind.
    right, I don't see socialism so much as I see capitalist opportunists (real estate developers & construction contractors) using a social welfare to the poor argument to open up land for commercial exploitation at the expense of people living in neighborhoods of single family homes

    conclusion: the nimby's offer to the politicians was exceeded by that of the developers, the nimbys lost

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    What is socialist about this? Do any of you know what socialism is? Druff has lost his mind.
    right, I don't see socialism so much as I see capitalist opportunists (real estate developers & construction contractors) using a social welfare to the poor argument to open up land for commercial exploitation at the expense of people living in neighborhoods of single family homes

    conclusion: the nimby's offer to the politicians was exceeded by that of the developers, the nimby's lost
    Houston has no zoning laws. It’s a capitalist’s dream, land use-wise.
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    stamford CT did the same thing.

    stamford use to be a sleepy suburb 25 yrs ago. now it's built up wit bidness and industry and now a cosmo type city.

    all the mayor daniel malloy did was tax the shit out of homeowners and wrecked the place...

    in certain parts mthrfkers are putting up 6000sq ft homes on 0.10 acre..not to mention the many multi family apts/condos on the same small plot.

    after this bs, malloy became governor and his rating was one of the worst of all the 50 states, if not the worst. the dudes answer to everything was to tax.

    he didnt' even run for re-election last month. he is last remembered for wanting to put up tolls.

    complete idiot
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    so this alleged mayor you speak of he did acknowledge that minnesnowta plays right

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    Quote Originally Posted by lol wow View Post
    so this alleged mayor you speak of he did acknowledge that minnesnowta plays right
    obv democrat..only in a worse al franken mode.

    i just can't believe all he wanted to do was fkn tax everything..he was the joke of CT.

    only time you would see the fucker is when there was snowstorms and he came on TV telling peeps to stay inside while they had a deaf translator in a pip in the corner of the screen.

    i would go so far and say he made CT an even worse place to live with additional taxes
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    Johnny Manziel will be the 1st pick in the draft. I truly believe not only will Johnny Manziel be rookie of the year, quite possibly he will be MVP as his style will shock defensive coordinators. Manziel may only be 6 feet tall, but he has size 15 feet. And he has HUGE hands. I know some NFL scouts so I know what I am talking about.



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