We don't have one of these yet, so let's get it going.
I'll start it off with an interesting article about Lebron and his first return to Cleveland after leaving: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...urns-cleveland
Lebron will go back to Cleveland for the Lakers' next game.
In that 2010 return, Lebron played a great game, and then the Cavs, which were an almost respectable 7-10 coming in, went a staggering 1-35 in the following 36 games.
BCR, what do you remember about this?
Also, I'm already picking Giannis to be the MVP this season.
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Embidd is a much better candidate in a bigger market on a team that by the end of the season will probably be higher contenders . Bucks market share is so small . Great player but I think being on the Bucks will ultimately hurt his chances . Unless they make a deep playoff run
MVP ballots due on the last day of the regular season, I think.
MVP ballots due on the last day of the regular season, I think.
Makes sense . They both are great players and deserve the award. Just my view is Embidd is higher profile and much more marketable . Fairly sure that comes into play for the league . Subconsciously .
I think it will lean the freak if the bucks get near 60 wins and a 1/2 seed in the east...
Makes sense . They both are great players and deserve the award. Just my view is Embidd is higher profile and much more marketable . Fairly sure that comes into play for the league . Subconsciously .
I think embiid is eventually gonna be "hurt" by the presence of butler in philly...I know he's beasted in his last 3 games, but I just think that it's gonna be tough with butler there to keep up this 30-10 pace...
ROY will be interesting...I liked doncic before the year over Ayton/bagley because I just think his experience playing as a pro in the second best league in the world gives him a step up...woulda loved to bet it, but at 3:1 no thanks...JJJ could be a sleeper if Memphis wins 50 and he keeps playing well...
I remember it being somewhat hostile, but inside the arena is always relatively tame compared to the general sentiment. When he left, there was outright fury and pure vitriol on the streets, every bar, just part of every conversation. I watched every single Heat game hoping they’d lose. I was so fucking pissed when OKC lost that first title I recall telling the OKC homer here, I think it was Stamos, that I’ll cheer against Westbrook and Durant until they retire. That lasted until he returned. I hate Durant now again, but for entirely different reasons. For 4 years I probably watched 70 Heat games a year hoping they’d lose every one. I never downplayed his talent, I think he’s the GOAT at this point even as someone who saw MJ’s whole career, but I just wanted him to lose every game.
Totally different now. I cheer for the Lakers and for him to get a few guys to play with there. I don’t begrudge him leaving to live where he wants at this age. Leaving your hometown in your absolute prime 26-30 years was just crushing. As nice as the championship was, the greatest with the comeback over a 73 win team, and as boring as the playoffs will be now, it’s honestly just watching his brilliance night in night out in cold ass winter months that I miss most in some ways. Just a Tuesday night when you have nothing to do and it’s 12 degrees outside yet this savant is playing for your team. I’ll still watch those games, but they’re late, and it’s not the same as he’s with your team. Playoff Lebron is unreal. You’ll enjoy that. Just takes it to another level, particularly when he’s on a team like he is now where he has to carry them. These young Lakers are way worse than I thought they were. BI is a huge disappointment. Kuzma has been ok, but it looks like that promising rookie season was a bit of fools gold. Lonzo had a decent night tonight, and he may adapt and he’s a heady kid, but he’s limited as an athlete. Lebron will be at like 40/12/10 come Western Conference playoffs. As he aged, he really starts slow, and kind of isn’t engaged. He looks really to be in that mode now more than ever with the Lakers am far. It’s always amazing how good of numbers he puts up while doing that.
It was great to have him for 11 seasons. He’s unreal, and to have him born in the backyard and get drafted by the hometown team is high a hurdle is required to just get one ring when you’re such an undesirable market for professional athletes. Like I’d be just shocked to ever see the Cavs win a championship in my lifetime. Almost impossible. The Browns and Indians have far better chances as it is t as dependent on one player being so important. I actually think the Browns might get one in the next decade. I like their direction for the first time in my lifetime, and think they are an OL and a #1 we from being quite good. The Indians are well ran for the past 20 years, but no salary cap hurts as they’ll lose a lot this offseason and Lindor eventually. They’ve had two game sevens in World Series that really hurt to have lost.
Back to NBA. Really surprised how badly the Celtics are playing. Heyward looks like he may never be the same player again, Kyrie rusty and still playing no defense, and just not meshing. Stevens is a genius, I’m sure he’ll figure it out, but they aren’t a championship team. Will be interesting to see how Sixers gel with Butler. Happy for Milwaukee fans. They look good. I always view that as the most similar market to Cleveland. Raps look good.
West is deep but the turmoil on Warriors give a glimmer of hope that egos may finally come into play. Still
huge favorites, but internal issues always take dynasties down. Portland came right back out when everyone was expecting them to regress. Lot of depth in whole conference.
Love the game.
Saw Druff post about Lakers & Cav’s and then main man BCR wrote a poem about LeBron that I chose to skip.
On any given day you might find yourself searching for a decent wager. Fade LeBron ATS. Its been an autobet for more than a year.
Cavaliers were like dead last ATS 2017/18. Love to find some of my posts from last year about Isaiah Thomas & autobetting Cavaliers fades. Funny (at least to me) and profitable. Fortunately we don’t have to live in the past. Each night the Lakers fail to cover.
The Celtics are another autofade. People are incredibly slow to accept this story. Shit they are almost as bad as Lakers ATS.
Overall solid post. In regards to the highlighted, it took Paul George a full season to recover from a similar injury. But he was playing in a small market on a team with no expectations, so the spotlight wasn't as bright.
I remember it being somewhat hostile, but inside the arena is always relatively tame compared to the general sentiment. When he left, there was outright fury and pure vitriol on the streets, every bar, just part of every conversation. I watched every single Heat game hoping they’d lose. I was so fucking pissed when OKC lost that first title I recall telling the OKC homer here, I think it was Stamos, that I’ll cheer against Westbrook and Durant until they retire. That lasted until he returned. I hate Durant now again, but for entirely different reasons. For 4 years I probably watched 70 Heat games a year hoping they’d lose every one. I never downplayed his talent, I think he’s the GOAT at this point even as someone who saw MJ’s whole career, but I just wanted him to lose every game.
Totally different now. I cheer for the Lakers and for him to get a few guys to play with there. I don’t begrudge him leaving to live where he wants at this age. Leaving your hometown in your absolute prime 26-30 years was just crushing. As nice as the championship was, the greatest with the comeback over a 73 win team, and as boring as the playoffs will be now, it’s honestly just watching his brilliance night in night out in cold ass winter months that I miss most in some ways. Just a Tuesday night when you have nothing to do and it’s 12 degrees outside yet this savant is playing for your team. I’ll still watch those games, but they’re late, and it’s not the same as he’s with your team. Playoff Lebron is unreal. You’ll enjoy that. Just takes it to another level, particularly when he’s on a team like he is now where he has to carry them. These young Lakers are way worse than I thought they were. BI is a huge disappointment. Kuzma has been ok, but it looks like that promising rookie season was a bit of fools gold. Lonzo had a decent night tonight, and he may adapt and he’s a heady kid, but he’s limited as an athlete. Lebron will be at like 40/12/10 come Western Conference playoffs. As he aged, he really starts slow, and kind of isn’t engaged. He looks really to be in that mode now more than ever with the Lakers am far. It’s always amazing how good of numbers he puts up while doing that.
It was great to have him for 11 seasons. He’s unreal, and to have him born in the backyard and get drafted by the hometown team is high a hurdle is required to just get one ring when you’re such an undesirable market for professional athletes. Like I’d be just shocked to ever see the Cavs win a championship in my lifetime. Almost impossible. The Browns and Indians have far better chances as it is t as dependent on one player being so important. I actually think the Browns might get one in the next decade. I like their direction for the first time in my lifetime, and think they are an OL and a #1 we from being quite good. The Indians are well ran for the past 20 years, but no salary cap hurts as they’ll lose a lot this offseason and Lindor eventually. They’ve had two game sevens in World Series that really hurt to have lost.
Back to NBA. Really surprised how badly the Celtics are playing. Heyward looks like he may never be the same player again, Kyrie rusty and still playing no defense, and just not meshing. Stevens is a genius, I’m sure he’ll figure it out, but they aren’t a championship team. Will be interesting to see how Sixers gel with Butler. Happy for Milwaukee fans. They look good. I always view that as the most similar market to Cleveland. Raps look good.
West is deep but the turmoil on Warriors give a glimmer of hope that egos may finally come into play. Still
huge favorites, but internal issues always take dynasties down. Portland came right back out when everyone was expecting them to regress. Lot of depth in whole conference.
Love the game.
Also Ingram came into the league very young at 21. He is younger than a lot of 1-2 year players. He still has time. Kuzma is kind of the opposite. He played 4 years in college (he is 2 years older than Ingram despite being in the NBA a year shorter). He came into the league as more of a finished product. Probably not realistic to expect big improvements over time you see with 18 year olds coming into the league.
Last edited by ErickAA; 11-22-2018 at 09:31 AM.
Overall solid post. In regards to the highlighted, it took Paul George a full season to recover from a similar injury. But he was playing in a small market on a team with no expectations, so the spotlight wasn't as bright.
Also Ingram came into the league very young at 21. He is younger than a lot of 1-2 year players. He still has time. Kuzma is kind of the opposite. He played 4 years in college (he is 2 years older than Ingram despite being in the NBA a year shorter). He came into the league as more of a finished product. Probably not realistic to expect big improvements over time you see with 18 year olds coming into the league.
Yeah, I’m of the opinion that white guys just can’t afford to lose 20% of their burst when it’s a fucking miracle any white guys are in the league in the first place. I don’t think George ever came all the way back, he was just so good that him -20% of whatever is still really good. That’s not a white guys luxury. We’ll see. I hope
he returns to normal. I hear you on BI. They say he’s having a hard time as he was also a ball dominant SF, so that’s clearly a problem considering LBJ isn’t going anywhere. He’ll either adjust or become part of an offseason package I’d guess when they look to land a tier 1 player.
Team Lakers.
What Lebron did for Cleveland can never be forgotten.
Besides, Golden State is the greatest bitch dynasty in the history of sports.
Seems like if you blow on Steph Curry the wrong way, he gets injured.
He's the opposite of durable. Not quite Derrick Rose bad, but very prone to injury.
Maybe between Curry's injury issues, the strife between KD and Draymond, and perhaps a Durant injury down the line, the Warriors will finally be unseated in the West this year.
Lakers finally looking a bit better (8-2 last 10 after a brutal 2-5 start), but they just don't have enough to really contend this year. Tyson Chandler, despite being 36, was a great pickup. He's made a huge impact already.
I know it's early, but we're seeing some surprises so far.
The good:
Portland
Milwaukee
Orlando
Sacramento
Memphis
The bad:
Golden State
Houston
Boston
San Antonio
Washington
Cleveland
The Lakers suck ass.
With LeBron out there was an opportunity for the kids to shine and improve their value as chips for all these retarded trade ideas being floated
What has occurred is that the kids have been awful or hurt or both. Their value has unquestionably declined.
With that settled, the notion of Klay Thompson leaving the Warriors for the Lakers is THE dumbest idea. It’s damned offensive. Seth & Klay are gonna make history. Why go to Lakers? Dad is on the radio in LA? Why leave history for some sketchy LA gamble?
LeBron ever going to return? Remember how he never got hurt. That was the legend. No matter how good you are one opponent you can’t beat is time and miles. Sucks getting old. Order another red wine LeBron - you clueless fuck.
Davis —> Lakers is over
Kuzma, Ingram, Ball ... do you want to build a team around that. The answer is no.
Do Pelicans want Ainge to give you Tatum? Ainge will never give you Tatum. Keep waiting. In a weird way Ainge is kinda fucking with Lakers.
Lakers are a dumpster fire. No player development, the culture is a total sham. It’s all just glitz and artifice.
For me it’s the perfect confluence of LA fail and LeBron hate.
The stories next 24 hours are going to be fantastic.
Look at LeBron’s position on the bench
https://twitter.com/twt/status/1092984502358429696
Lakers @ Boston next. Boston fans are vicious. Sadly, they are all fat and happy after the latest parade. I still hope the Boston fans will get back to work. Could be epic.Just a few minutes into the game, Brandon Ingram got to the free throw line, and was immediately hit with ”LeBron's gonna trade you" chants from the Pacers crowd.
I’m in heaven.
We can talk about Rams looking for a new Quarterback in the NFL thread.
I’m wearing a perma-grin.
It’s a fire hose of goodness with every click
If Ball wasn't refusing to play in New Orleans, this trade for Davis could actually happen.
Lakers are trying to do the right thing, though. They're going nowhere fast with this group, and Lebron isn't getting any younger.
Magic wanted to be an in and out type of guy , said Rob Pelinka saying he wasn't around the office enough broke the camels back. Pelinka said these allegations were just not true. Magic has tons of money from other businesses. Thought he had only a few years when he got aids.
Magic had really good work ethic obviously. Eziquelle Elliot was detained at the daisy festival, knocked down a security guard. Not the way to look for a new contract.
Ya he just cost himself a few million. I am sure Jerry is a bit happy bc now he has even more leverage on him. Love zeke but he sure aint the GOAT
Finally the Raptors were all playing pretty decent last night.
Only problem is the series should be 3-1 right now for the Raptors........
I think they have found a way to "stop" Giannis and it's forcing Milwaukee to rely on 3 pters. They aren't the Houston Rockets, it isn't going to work.
See you @ game 7 I feel like they will split the next two.
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