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    Elderly couple evicted from LA rent control building after 48 years there -- but are they really victims? (Plus appearance by Master Scalir)

    First off, read this: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...028-story.html

    Then read this, and scroll down to the second letter: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/reade...030-story.html

    If you hit a paywall, just open these links in incognito mode.

    Cliffs:

    - A couple moved into a cheap 1-bedroom apartment in Los Angeles in 1970. The landlord didn't care much about money, and kept their rent super low over the years.

    - Due to the extremely low rents, the couple eschewed traditional jobs, and worked as "artists", managing to scrape by enough to support themselves.

    - They saved enough over the years to buy a summer home in Idaho.

    - Recently, the original landlord died at the age of 96. The building was sold by his estate, and the new landlord told them he would be increasing their rent, but LA rent control laws forbid an increase of more than 3% per year on buildings older than 1977.

    - Landlord supposedly pretended not to have received their rent in July 2018, and gave them a 3-day pay or quit notice. Then he refused to take any rent they attempted to give him, and filed for eviction.

    - They hired a lawyer, but somehow they still found a notice on their door in September stating that they've been evicted. They decided to just give up on defending themselves and took a $20k type cash settlement to leave.



    On the surface, some might feel sorry for this elderly couple, as it appeared the landlord might have pulled dirty "we didn't get your rent payment" tricks to skirt rent control laws and evict elderly rent controlled tenants.

    However, there are various inconsistencies in their story which leave me believing these people aren't the victims they claim to be.

    1) Even if the landlord lied about not having received their rent, they could have again paid him during that 3-day period, and he would have had to accept it. If he didn't, they could have attempted to give him a cashier's check to mostly prove they were attempting to pay and he wouldn't accept it.

    2) They claim to have gotten a lawyer to defend the situation, but do not explain how an eviction notice was suddenly posted on their door in late September. That's not how it works. They would have had to lost the eviction case in court in order to be evicted, but somehow they claim this took them by surprise. Huh???

    3) They saved so much money on super-low rent for decades that they were able to use that money to buy a home in Idaho. That's totally against the spirit of rent control, which is meant to protect poor people from rents they can't afford. It's not meant to suppress rents so low that people can save up for their own homes. Furthermore, how bad can we feel for someone evicted from their apartment when they have a house they own in Idaho?

    4) They concede that they gave up on the court case at some point. Why? They were very likely to win. A jury would never kick out elderly people with a stellar 48-year history of on-time rent payments, due to one claimed late payment by the new landlord. Los Angeles judges and juries are constantly suspicious of landlords who attempt to evict longtime rent controlled tenants, given the intense financial benefit from successfully doing so. In absence of smoking gun evidence of major wrongdoing on the part of the tenant, these cases usually fail.

    Master Scalir's letter to the editor mentions a law firm called BASTA, which successfully defended him in 2017 when his landlord tried to evict him. I found BASTA for him. The courts attempted to lead him to another low-cost law firm called EDN (Eviction Defense Network), which has a terrible reputation (I'm assuming some bribery was involved). BASTA is a far better version of EDN, and they are almost always successful in these types of cases. They get funding from elsewhere, so they only charged him $800, despite doing a mountain of legal work which normally would have cost well into the 5 figures.

     
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    Yeah dude it's ridiculous.


    All this rent control does is tax people too give other people luxery,s and liesure and privlidge in life THAT OTHER PEOPLE PAYING THE TAXES DONT HAVE!" lol

    OR it normalizes a life style like baby momma's that get section 8 or tax funded housing for 2 kids and then get upgraded to a 4 bedroom duplex in New York when the tally of kids there haveing go to 4 and 5..(with the only complaint is that there not getting enough, fast enough)..

    And by the way these are generally lifetime!!!! Benafit,s..

    Throw in open borders and it's a never ending spiral downwards were the welfare state will just engulf EVERYONE up the payscale slowly but surely.

    I don't want too be a "crazy" conspiraciest but isn't that what THE DEMOCRATS WANT?! IN THERE OWN WORDS IF IT HASNT BEEN SCRUBBED FROM THE INTERNET YET.

     
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      splitthis: 7 misspellings, yet shocked you got some harder words correct. 50%
      
      MumblesBadly: Actually, split, he misspelled eight words. But who’s counting?
      
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    on a scale of 1 to 'jewdonk telling annette she smells good', how awkward is it for your biggest supporter on this issue to be a crack smoking cabbie who managed to run a new york pizzeria into bankruptcy?

     
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    We thought rent control and human decency would keep us in our home of 48 years. We were dead wrong

    https://outline.com/ya2ZFD

    Of course Druff doesn't give a shit about low-income housing, he lives in a multi-million dollar home.

    If we saw a picture of this cheap one-bedroom apartment you would not want to live there.

    The couple who lived in this crappy, "cheap" one-bedroom apartment for the past 40+ years didn't have a lease and could have been kicked out at anytime.

    However, these bastard landlords in L.A. are now using "dirty tactics" to try to remove tenants like not depositing your check and then posting a 3-day notice to pay rent or quit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Master Scalir's letter to the editor mentions a law firm called BASTA, which successfully defended him in 2017 when his landlord tried to evict him. I found BASTA for him. The courts attempted to lead him to another low-cost law firm called EDN (Eviction Defense Network), which has a terrible reputation (I'm assuming some bribery was involved). BASTA is a far better version of EDN, and they are almost always successful in these types of cases. They get funding from elsewhere, so they only charged him $800, despite doing a mountain of legal work which normally would have cost well into the 5 figures.
    good post overall...but of course it wouldn't be a Druff post unless he worked in a self-pat on the back somehow

     
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    Druff did you draft that letter for Ken to send to the LA Times?

    Or did you edit Ken's copy and send it on?

     
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    Id have fought it, sub leased it and bought a second home in Des Moines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Druff did you draft that letter for Ken to send to the LA Times?

    Or did you edit Ken's copy and send it on?
    Ken writes all of this stuff himself.

    He actually comes off completely differently in writing than he does in real life, though oddly his forum posts do sound a lot like the real-life him.

    When he writes letters to the editor or school essays, he comes off completely normal. He has told me before that people are shocked when they read his stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    on a scale of 1 to 'jewdonk telling annette she smells good', how awkward is it for your biggest supporter on this issue to be a crack smoking cabbie who managed to run a new york pizzeria into bankruptcy?
    Not just thesparten.

    93% of economists agree that rent control reduces the quantity and quality of housing available, according to factcheck.org (which is NOT a right wing site by any stretch of the imagination).

    https://www.factcheck.org/2009/02/wh...nomists-agree/

    I will agree that rent control is good for the individual who has been in the same apartment for decades. However, it's bad for everyone else.

    When landlords cannot profit due to rent control restrictions, they either knock down the building and convert it to something else, or they convert it to condos. Either way, everyone gets kicked out.

    Even when the buildings don't get knocked down, they are not kept up well and not improved, as they don't take in enough money to justify doing so.

    Areas with rent control simply see a reduction in units available due to these factors, forcing prices for everyone else to rise.

    Furthermore, rent control advocates can never explain why "years lived there" should be a factor for keeping rents down. A frugal millionaire living in his apartment since 1970 is guaranteed dirt-cheap rents. A fast food worker who is looking for a new apartment (maybe just moved to the area, maybe just moved out of parents' house) has to pay market rents. How does this make any sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    We thought rent control and human decency would keep us in our home of 48 years. We were dead wrong

    https://outline.com/ya2ZFD

    Of course Druff doesn't give a shit about low-income housing, he lives in a multi-million dollar home.

    If we saw a picture of this cheap one-bedroom apartment you would not want to live there.

    The couple who lived in this crappy, "cheap" one-bedroom apartment for the past 40+ years didn't have a lease and could have been kicked out at anytime.

    However, these bastard landlords in L.A. are now using "dirty tactics" to try to remove tenants like not depositing your check and then posting a 3-day notice to pay rent or quit.





    Rent control tenants cannot be kicked out, aside from an evictable offense. That's why the landlord supposedly faked not receiving rent from them.

    However, the LA courts are wise to these tricks, and would never grant such an eviction of a 48-year tenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Druff did you draft that letter for Ken to send to the LA Times?

    Or did you edit Ken's copy and send it on?
    Ken writes all of this stuff himself.

    He actually comes off completely differently in writing than he does in real life, though oddly his forum posts do sound a lot like the real-life him.

    When he writes letters to the editor or school essays, he comes off completely normal. He has told me before that people are shocked when they read his stuff.

    Very articulate for someone who I assume is still socially awkward and less verbose in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    on a scale of 1 to 'jewdonk telling annette she smells good', how awkward is it for your biggest supporter on this issue to be a crack smoking cabbie who managed to run a new york pizzeria into bankruptcy?
    'jewdonk telling annette she smells good'
    easily lol of the week. really hope you have the entire tirade I believe by china.
    Some people are alive simply because it's illegal to kill them.

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    I Thank All I Hold Holy and Dear for the Rent Control Act from 1967..
    Thank you thank you..
    The Jew Landlords made such a great tax concession that all RENT Control Tenants can Live there for 99 years, passed on to direct family members only.

    I Lived in Manhattan all My Life and never Paid More than 384$ for a 7room Apt a throw away from Central Park..
    Thank you thank you..
    The Poor Great grandkids of the Real estate Owners are sore.
    In 1969 They implemented RENT STABILIZATION which can be raised every year or 2 dependent on lease.
    My pal is paying 84$ for a Hole in Manhattan Now.
    Thank you thank you thank you,, Amen, Shalom, Allah ahk-bar.

    P.s. I Last heard Pre pandemic the Apt had been cut in 2 and rented for 6k each!!! wow... Now idk. tbh. but still. still......
    Last edited by shoeshine box; 11-17-2020 at 02:06 AM. Reason: update. Shalom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesparten View Post
    Yeah dude it's ridiculous.


    All this rent control does is tax people too give other people luxery,s and liesure and privlidge in life THAT OTHER PEOPLE PAYING THE TAXES DONT HAVE!" lol

    OR it normalizes a life style like baby momma's that get section 8 or tax funded housing for 2 kids and then get upgraded to a 4 bedroom duplex in New York when the tally of kids there haveing go to 4 and 5..(with the only complaint is that there not getting enough, fast enough)..

    And by the way these are generally lifetime!!!! Benafit,s..

    Throw in open borders and it's a never ending spiral downwards were the welfare state will just engulf EVERYONE up the payscale slowly but surely.

    I don't want too be a "crazy" conspiraciest but isn't that what THE DEMOCRATS WANT?! IN THERE OWN WORDS IF IT HASNT BEEN SCRUBBED FROM THE INTERNET YET.
    Can’t disagree.. The “safety net” no longer is about helping those in need but actually breeding dependance on the government. People trying to get out of the hole are punished for doing better leaving them in a tough situation meanwhile it encourages people to have kids they can’t support repeatedly. I’m not against helping those in tough situations temporarily or those who genuinely needing longer help. I however have serious issues with a system that doesn’t encourage responsible behavior by saying if you have more kids we aren’t giving you anymore money. Taxpayers shouldn’t be subsidizing the irresponsible behavior of folks who refuse to be adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    We thought rent control and human decency would keep us in our home of 48 years. We were dead wrong

    https://outline.com/ya2ZFD

    Of course Druff doesn't give a shit about low-income housing, he lives in a multi-million dollar home.

    If we saw a picture of this cheap one-bedroom apartment you would not want to live there.

    The couple who lived in this crappy, "cheap" one-bedroom apartment for the past 40+ years didn't have a lease and could have been kicked out at anytime.

    However, these bastard landlords in L.A. are now using "dirty tactics" to try to remove tenants like not depositing your check and then posting a 3-day notice to pay rent or quit.


    The downside of rent control on some buildings is that it actually drives up rents faster then inflation generally in those who aren’t rent controlled because it encourages people to not move due to the good deal they have. Law of Supply and Demand dictates a lower availability will drive up prices. If landlords can’t get those high rents and end up with high vacancy rates they will have to lower their prices to get tenants. Those who are financially strapped have Sec 8 to fall back on if their income is so constrained they can’t pay market rent prices. The end result is the tenants who are strapped can get a rental and the landlord isn’t forced into lowering rents too far down this resulting in negative cash flow.

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