Holy crap there's white people coming in under this loophole, shut it down.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/citizensh...-birth-tourism
https://vdare.com/posts/sinister-whi...ht-citizenship
Holy crap there's white people coming in under this loophole, shut it down.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/citizensh...-birth-tourism
https://vdare.com/posts/sinister-whi...ht-citizenship
I've always disagreed with The President's stance on immigration, this especially, but I still think hes playing great. I see the reasoning behind this, and this pretty much puts him at a 99% chance of running again in 2020, unless kanye runs, I'll still support his candidacy...
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Gerson
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
Ryan hasn’t really ever strongly defended Trump, so it’s not like he was really in his camp. And he has tried at times to distance himself from Trump only to lose influence over others in the party. But given his desire to lead the party if Trump can be marginalized, it’s not surprising that he would use this as an opportunity to get some daylight from Trump in this case given that his electoral constituents aren’t likely to care about “anchor babies” as much as voters in the red states.
it's not up to the courts decide actually, anyone born in the us under any circumstance becomes a US citizen, that's why this is an issue. You get tourist pregnancies where you get people that apply for tourist visas, get pregnant, then come to the US. I saw a guy in the US consulate the other day that his parents did this and he was trying to revoke his US citizenship. Literally just 2 days ago I saw this.
The amendment is stupid, just like everything else you have to look at this in the context it was written. It was written during a time where someone couldn't hop on a plane, visit a place for 3 days, then hop on a plane home. It was written for the purpose of ensuring former slave's children could be guaranteed citizenship. During a time where you took a 1 month voyage from Europe on a ship, and several weeks to get wherever you're going in the US, and same going back. The amendment really is silly. It doesn't need to be an amendment it needs to be a regulated process.
Honestly, I've always found birthright citizenship to be odd.
Why should the location your parents are physically standing in at the time of your birth determine your citizenship?
If you think about it logically (ignoring the current argument of what the Constitution does or does not say), your citizenship should be a product of two factors:
1) The citizenship of your parents
2) The country where your parents currently live
But #2 should only be considered when your parents are established in that foreign country legally. Otherwise your birth is placing an unintended and unfair burden upon that country. Immigration control is largely resource control. If your parents snuck in and you happen to be born on that country's soil, you shouldn't have any "rights" to that country, just as you shouldn't if your parents are temporarily visiting that country as tourists.
Another factor being mostly ignored here comes from the fact that illegal immigrant related crime often comes from the second generation. In most cases, those who are risking a lot to come here are ernestly looking for work and a better life, and aren't interested in committing crimes. However, their children are a different story. Whether born here or brought here as children, these kids don't have the same appreciation for the value of hard work and building a better life, and instead tend to grow up in areas filled with criminal elements, and are easily influenced in that direction. I don't fear the 35-year-old woman who crosses the border to work in the fields or as a cleaning lady. I fear her 15-year-old son, especially after he ages a few more years.
In short, I don't see anything wrong with, "If you were born here because your parents snuck into this country, you should have the same citizenship as they do."
Last edited by GrenadaRoger; 11-01-2018 at 11:20 PM.
(long before there was a PFA i had my Grenade & Crossbones avatar at DD)
Law of the land is you were born here you are a citizen regardless of how smart/stupid it is. You don’t want to start the proces of having the government be able to remove citizenship based on what they think their definition is at the current time.
What is the next way they will strip citizenship?
As Grenada Roger pointed out, the 14th Amendment isn't as clear on that as many are claiming.
Anyway, there isn't a gray area here.
Born to US citizen parent? You're a citizen.
Born to non-citizen parents who have official permission to live in the country legally? You're a citizen.
Born to non-citizen parents who are here illegally or as tourists? You're not a citizen.
Seems fair and straightforward to me.
Why? He's right. Hamfisted and obnoxious but still right. Birthright citizenship is a loophole that has been exploited for years, the 14th amendment was to protect the citizenship of slaves. Native Americans weren't even granted universal citizenship until the 1920s.
Yes I know we have precedent from court cases long ago supporting the current standard, but the current standard is ludicrous and should be adjusted by either a court challenge ending in a SCOTUS ruling ( subject to the jurisdiction thereof) or constitutional amendment.
The GOP does the opposite of what they say they're doing.
First
Why should we care about immigration? It's so we can have safe and prosperous communities.
The only way to fix immigration is change the 1965 law everything else is bullshit. Since they didn't change it like promised we had a record amount of immigration.
So they already fucked us, now they're making it worse by causing major division.
I used to be amazed at how safe Mexican
communities used to be for whites, now you know tension has to be real high and you def don't want to be alone after dark.
Ask yourself if any of these GOP proposals make Americans safer or do they increase the chance of violence.
Ask yourself if this is for the general welfare of Americans or just a kickback to their border facility donors.
The proposal in the OP won't happen.
Trump's pushing for extended family detention, much longer.
Sending troops to the border to face off with poverty stricken immigrants.
He's proposing tent city's to house immigrants.
Now he's using a one mentally ill killer to demonize all Mexicans.
https://twitter.com/twt/status/1057728445386539008
I used to know an ex gang member from El Salvador, I heard he's killed people in his country.
Here he was very nice guy, cool as fuck, i'd trust him w my life. It's the financial hell from right wing govts that our CIA installs that create the condition for gangs and violence.sh..
Summary
So the GOP brought in a record amount of refugees and stoked tensions as much as humanly possible, nice.
#winning
I gotta go but yea, the alt right were the suckers. I see what they're doing now, more on that later.
Except it’s not how in practice the way it’s been since the dawn of time. You are giving the government the ability to strip away citizenship in a way never done before. It’s dangerous.
Can’t cling to the constitution and the way it’s been interpreted for 200+ years and suddenly decide to start making changes.
This argument is absolutely asinine. Under this arguement, any alien in the United States could not be prosecuted for any crimes committed while they are here. How could they be if they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United Stated criminal courts? The only people exempt therefrom are ambassadors and royalty, who have diplomatic immunity.
There are strong arguments for and against birthright citizenship, but only a Constitutional amendment can change it.
Last edited by Jayjami; 11-01-2018 at 09:39 AM.
Throwing red meat to the base.
Trump sets the agenda, the media laps it up, and then we all talk about it.
There is a time and place to talk about this, but it isn't 2 weeks before the mid-term.
Fred Trump = immigrant
Donald = anchor baby
Melania = immigrant
Barron = anchor baby
Melania’s parents = chain migration
Ivana = immigrant
Don Jr = anchor baby
Eric = anchor baby
Ivanka = anchor baby
Is it too late to send them back?
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