Father & Son shoot man over trash dispute.

[AhoosierA]

Aaron Howard was apparently trying to put a mattress in a dumpster in the alley outside of his house. His neighbors for some reason were upset over this and kept removing the mattress from the dumpster. A heated conversation ensued. The wife of Aaron Howard is recording the father and son who are both seen holding guns.

The father and son continue to tell the guy if he comes closer they will shoot him. Mr. Howard seems to keep taunting them and saying that he is going to kill them. Aaron Howard’s brother then gives him a bat.

Around the time of the shooting the video becomes a little unclear, but it appears Mr Howard advances on the old man with the bat, the old man fires 2 shots and then the son fires 2 shots, ultimately killing him.

The father and son were arrested on Murder charges.

If you look at Aaron Howard’s Facebook account, he recently made a post about a confrontation with the mailman and police that basically goes to show he was unstable.

Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000434291509

Video of the confrontation and shooting: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc13.c...tress/4304099/

[JohnCommode]

In the United States of 2018, one death and two possible life sentences somehow seems like a reasonable outcome in a dispute over a mattress. I hope they wear shirts in prison.

[AhoosierA]

IMO both sides are complete idiots.

Dude deserved to get shot if he indeed come after them with a bat (by at least the dad).

On the other hand, who gets into this heated of an altercation over trash in an alley.?

[MumblesBadly]

IMO both sides are complete idiots.

Dude deserved to get shot if he indeed come after them with a bat (by at least the dad).

On the other hand, who gets into this heated of an altercation over trash in an alley.?

Howard made terroristic threats at the father and son. He then charged the father even though the father and son had repeatedly warned him to keep his distance. IMO, this looks like justifiable homicide due to self defense given that both the son and father have a right to openly carry in Texas and the right to stand in the alley without being physically threatened then attacked by someone.

In fact, the person he handed Howard the bat AFTER the father warned him to keep his distancd just before he rushed the father should probably be charged with a crime related to the attemped battery on the father.

P.S. Was gonna post a related meme that ridiculed the dead guy using a memed selfie he had previously posted to Facebook, but I don’t want to cause his family additional grief if one of them happens upon this site.

 

Orig on FB:

[GrenadaRoger]

the incident occurred Sept 1 in Abilene, Texas and the video was broadcast just a few days ago by a local television station

from the minimal info I was able to gather online, disposing of a mattress in Abilene costs the owner over $100...if that is true, and the dumpster was rented/owned by the shooters (the Millers), Howard's putting his mattress in the dumpster amounts to theft

also, re: Howard's death threat, I don't know what the law is in Texas but I suspect it is similar to that in California: it is a felony punishable by a minimum sentence of 1 year of prison

it seems this dispute had been going on for a few days previous, and no word if the police had been called to the earlier incidents

your use of deadly force is usually justified/legally sanctioned when you or someone you are protecting is put in immediate peril of death or serious injury...

now it is for the city attorney/jury to decide is if the use of force was justified, particularly the shotgun, which may have happened after the threat had ended

[sonatine]

In the United States of 2018, one death and two possible life sentences somehow seems like a reasonable outcome in a dispute over a mattress.

[duped_samaritan]

Glad to see Garret and his father finally worked things out.

[simpdog]

Problem is the dead dude and his wife didn’t have guns.

[RS_]

Problem is the dead dude and his wife didn’t have guns.

Didn’t he have a bat?

If I’m in that situation and someone’s coming at me, I’m not going to think, “Well gee willickers, does he have a knife, sword, gun, or bat? I can only use this much force to protect myself! Oh okay there I see he has a bat. Gotta put my gun down because that’d be unfair!”

No, if my life is in danger, then I’m emptying the clip.