that's been tried before. how'd that go again?Originally Posted by nightmarefish
that's been tried before. how'd that go again?
not that i'm in favor of abolishing the electoral college.
as druff mentioned (and originally stated by dish, i'm sure), the democrat plan of turning texas blue is working so need to change anything. just give it 10 years.
You prove Druffs point that dems only currently want to get rid of it because it’s not in their favor. Logical conservatives see the purpose of the electoral college regardless of what party it’s currently favoring.
Last edited by nightmarefish; 08-24-2019 at 07:07 AM.
first, i think it was dish's point.You prove Druffs point that dems only currently want to get rid of it because it’s not in their favor. Logical conservatives see the purpose of they electoral college regardless of what party it’s currently favoring.
next, i view the US as more of one country than 50 separate countries, so yeah, i am not a fan of the electoral college in this day and age. we act more like the EU.
that said, we shouldn't abolish it outside of a constitutional amendment. republicans, however, will be adamant about changing our laws the second texas flips. if you check the polls, that could be in 2020, not that i believe that will really happen so quickly.
You view the country as all the same huh? You really think people in New York City vote with the same issues in mind as people in Nebraska? And as I said before Republicans won’t change their mind if Texas flips, that’s something that the dems do. Remember 5 years ago when dems had no problem with deporting illegals and securing the border? They were even for a wall.first, i think it was dish's point.
next, i view the US as more of one country than 50 separate countries, so yeah, i am not a fan of the electoral college in this day and age. we act more like the EU.
that said, we shouldn't abolish it outside of a constitutional amendment. republicans, however, will be adamant about changing our laws the second texas flips. if you check the polls, that could be in 2020, not that i believe that will really happen so quickly.
By your logic, it should not matter how much more populous the largest states are relative to the smallest states. The problem with that notion is that as technology makes it easier for people to live in greater concentrations, the relative political influence of the more technologically, and culturally, backwards states increases. This relative increase in the political power of lesser educated voters will tend to slow down the acceptance of important changes in national policies due to the changing threats to the nation’s well-being.Nope, then we're back to the same problem as a popular vote election.
If you erase 2 electoral votes from all of the lower-population states, they become mostly inconsequential.
And given how much conservatives tout the merit of fostering competition as a means to enhance positive developments in the country, does it make sense to hamstring the national political process by giving the less educated people greater say over our country’s national policies when we have to compete internationally against countries that don’t tend to have such a bias in their political systems?
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yeah if you think of us as 50 separate countries, i don't agree at all.You view the country as all the same huh? You really think people in New York City vote with the same issues in mind as people in Nebraska? And as I said before Republicans won’t change their mind if Texas flips, that’s something that the dems do. Remember 5 years ago when dems had no problem with deporting illegals and securing the border? They were even for a wall.
the notion that the scales of democracy need to be tipped to give a louder voice to people who are intellectual and economic dead weight is literally the only reason the republican party still exists. thats their sales pitch.
sorry that your white nationalist theocracy didnt work out but you had your bite at the apple and now its time for the grownups to legislate away your magic wand of relevance.
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Sonacuck can you please get taxed at 90 percent so the governments of California and New York can be in charge
Cuz they're hiiiiilariously competent
all your biggest shitholes are run by Dems, no?
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The poorest parts of Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, Louisiana are pretty damn shitty.
all your biggest shitholes are run by Dems, no?
The poorest parts of Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, Louisiana are pretty damn shitty.
The places with *the most* poor black people (and the most racist of the racists) are the places that fought to keep slavery legal...I wonder how that happened....
Edit: The most black people, and also the most poor people....
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How do you explain Seattle? One of the most liberal cities in the country, Comparatively very few poor people or black people but their homeless population is completely out of control. My buddy that lives there (big liberal) says all the liberals are even getting sick of how the liberal politicians are running things. Portland the same, LA rats and human feces all over the streets, SF the same. Since I’m a moderate conservative I won’t say anything about Baltimore too avoid being called racist.
The places with *the most* poor black people (and the most racist of the racists) are the places that fought to keep slavery legal...I wonder how that happened....
Edit: The most black people, and also the most poor people....
I don't know how to explain Seattle.How do you explain Seattle? One of the most liberal cities in the country, Comparatively very few poor people or black people but their homeless population is completely out of control. My buddy that lives there (big liberal) says all the liberals are even getting sick of how the liberal politicians are running things. Portland the same, LA rats and human feces all over the streets, SF the same. Since I’m a moderate conservative I won’t say anything about Baltimore too avoid being called racist.
How do you explain it?
From my buddy’s perspective (remember he’s very liberal), the liberal politicians’ approach to dealing with these people is too lenient. For example, the jails/prisons are full so there seems to be a push all over the country to avoid putting nonviolent criminals in jail. That’s great and all but there needs to be a plan to deal with those people then. They seem to be ending up on the streets and the homeless populations are exploding. I live in San Diego, our problem isn’t quite as bad but not great either. I worked downtown for several years and the majority of the homeless I saw seemed to be mentally ill but that is changing to more drug addicts and criminals. We have what is called the “HOT” program where cops and social workers go around the city daily and offer help to the homeless. I assume other cities do this as well but not 100% sure.I don't know how to explain Seattle.
How do you explain it?
So, you (or your buddy) think we don't put enough people in jail. Is that fair to conclude?From my buddy’s perspective (remember he’s very liberal), the liberal politicians’ approach to dealing with these people is too lenient. For example, the jails/prisons are full so there seems to be a push all over the country to avoid putting nonviolent criminals in jail. That’s great and all but there needs to be a plan to deal with those people then. They seem to be ending up on the streets and the homeless populations are exploding. I live in San Diego, our problem isn’t quite as bad but not great either. I worked downtown for several years and the majority of the homeless I saw seemed to be mentally ill but that is changing to more drug addicts and criminals. We have what is called the “HOT” program where cops and social workers go around the city daily and offer help to the homeless. I assume other cities do this as well but not 100% sure.
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