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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
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    He did. It is a delicate tightrope that any Democratic candidate is going to have to walk. And unless AOC turns down the rhetoric, she is going to be used against whatever candidate ultimately runs. Fair or not, the right wing media is going to tie the candidate to her, and they are going to have to force to comment on the toxic stuff she tweets.
    It’s the same tightrope that needs to be walked on the right. Any adults in the room that have a shot at being elected are going to have to run to the way left to win the Primary and then dash back towards the middle to win in the general. This primary is gong to be very interesting.

    The only one of them who can get away with starting towards the middle and not budging is Biden. He’s the only one with enough experience to tell the rest of the field to simmer down with the socialist shit we have a general to win, and get away with it.
    What you say may come true but I doubt it.
    If ever a populace agrees on something it should be strongly opposed to the Republican nomination of Trump and his ilk and the subsequent fallout

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
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    He did. It is a delicate tightrope that any Democratic candidate is going to have to walk. And unless AOC turns down the rhetoric, she is going to be used against whatever candidate ultimately runs. Fair or not, the right wing media is going to tie the candidate to her, and they are going to have to force to comment on the toxic stuff she tweets.
    It’s the same tightrope that needs to be walked on the right. Any adults in the room that have a shot at being elected are going to have to run to the way left to win the Primary and then dash back towards the middle to win in the general. This primary is gong to be very interesting.

    The only one of them who can get away with starting towards the middle and not budging is Biden. He’s the only one with enough experience to tell the rest of the field to simmer down with the socialist shit we have a general to win, and get away with it.
    Biden won’t energize the millenials or minorities to the polls like Bernie can. And economically centrist women who want a female president are going to pull for Harris over Biden in the primaries. And Biden has too much history with big money/good old boy politics to excite the likely Dem primary voter who isn’t a progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rum dick View Post
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    "Legitimized by the presence of members of Congress there" is a very misleading statement.

    The members of Congress cannot take the words back out of Jerry Fallwell Jr's mouth after he says them.

    Only a moron would watch that video and believe it was a threat to shoot AOC. It was one of those "cold dead hands" type of statements people have been making for years when they feel the government is going to come to their home and forcefully take something of theirs.
    People are impressionable as fuck and most don't have the capacity to take things as figuratively as you do. That was definitely an explain like I'm a 6th grader level threat.
    How do you feel it was a threat?

    Is AOC herself going to show up on people's properties to take their cows?

    A threat would be something like, "I have a lot of guns.... and you know, in the old days, people were taken care of when they made plans to take our property."

    Even if morons take the figurative speech literally, they would believe he plans to use his guns to defend his property if the government comes to take it.

    Again, that's a statement of defense of property against government attempting to take it, not a threat against an individual in any way.

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    Why is every political discussion on this site now just full of Rum Cuck and the poor Mexican that drives a Mitsubishi being the absolute worst?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    It’s the same tightrope that needs to be walked on the right. Any adults in the room that have a shot at being elected are going to have to run to the way left to win the Primary and then dash back towards the middle to win in the general. This primary is gong to be very interesting.

    The only one of them who can get away with starting towards the middle and not budging is Biden. He’s the only one with enough experience to tell the rest of the field to simmer down with the socialist shit we have a general to win, and get away with it.
    Biden won’t energize the millenials or minorities to the polls like Bernie can. And economically centrist women who want a female president are going to pull for Harris over Biden in the primaries. And Biden has too much history with big money/good old boy politics to excite the likely Dem primary voter who isn’t a progressive.

    Dems need to win Florida or Ohio. Biden can do that more easily than anyone in the field reguardless if Bernie would win California by 85% and Biden by only 70%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
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    Biden won’t energize the millenials or minorities to the polls like Bernie can. And economically centrist women who want a female president are going to pull for Harris over Biden in the primaries. And Biden has too much history with big money/good old boy politics to excite the likely Dem primary voter who isn’t a progressive.

    Dems need to win Florida or Ohio. Biden can do that more easily than anyone in the field reguardless if Bernie would win California by 85% and Biden by only 70%.
    But he needs to win the Dem nomination first. And he doesn’t have the support network that Bernie already has, nor which Hillary can give to her likely first-female-president heir apparent (Kamala Harris). Meaning, Biden is the quasi-Republican white male who can win Florida in a heads-up against Trump, but he has to win a ton of other states in the Dem primary race that are far from strongly in his column.

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    I think the Dems are just fucked at the moment. Re-elections are referendums on the President unless you have a dynamic candidate. It’s possible the economy goes south pre-election, but trump having his highest approval rating after a week where Cohen testified and he acted insane at CPAC tells me that no matter how badly a week CNN or The Washington Post says he had, it’s not resonating. I don’t see a winner on the dem side. There is going to be this ideological purity test in the primaries despite polling showing a majority of the dem voters saying they want to see the party go more moderate. The country hates Washington more than anything else, and the only moderates are Biden or Kluboucher, yet nothing is more Washington than Biden and she doesn’t seem to have it. Feels like a recipe for 4 more years atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    It’s the same tightrope that needs to be walked on the right. Any adults in the room that have a shot at being elected are going to have to run to the way left to win the Primary and then dash back towards the middle to win in the general. This primary is gong to be very interesting.

    The only one of them who can get away with starting towards the middle and not budging is Biden. He’s the only one with enough experience to tell the rest of the field to simmer down with the socialist shit we have a general to win, and get away with it.
    Biden won’t energize the millenials or minorities to the polls like Bernie can. And economically centrist women who want a female president are going to pull for Harris over Biden in the primaries. And Biden has too much history with big money/good old boy politics to excite the likely Dem primary voter who isn’t a progressive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnP View Post
    Why is every political discussion on this site now just full of Rum Cuck and the poor Mexican that drives a Mitsubishi being the absolute worst?


    I guess we should be having discussions about micro stakes fantasy football games, and how flabby everyone's arms are......riveting.....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MumblesBadly View Post
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    Dems need to win Florida or Ohio. Biden can do that more easily than anyone in the field reguardless if Bernie would win California by 85% and Biden by only 70%.
    But he needs to win the Dem nomination first. And he doesn’t have the support network that Bernie already has, nor which Hillary can give to her likely first-female-president heir apparent (Kamala Harris). Meaning, Biden is the quasi-Republican white male who can win Florida in a heads-up against Trump, but he has to win a ton of other states in the Dem primary race that are far from strongly in his column.

    They already fixed it for Hillary last go around. Might as well do the same for Biden and get the Win this time.

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    I am reading from BCR and Daly comments a profound amount of denial about Bernie Sanders’ appeal to the many potential voters who are turned off by the corporatist “Washington” Dems like Biden, Harris, Klobouchar, etc. Even Cory Booker has a tainted record of providing cover for the price-gouging Big Pharma lobby that has been a huge historical supporter of his. It seems like the same kind of denial among pre-Trump Republicans who gave Trump little or no chance of winning the GOP nomination.

    Which prompts me to ask BCR and Daly: Among the nomination front runners in either major party before the nomination races were close to being decided, which candidate back in late 2015/early 2016 did you hope would carry the day? If not one in particular, give your top two or three that you’d have been good with. And explain why. Thanks in advance.

     
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    Actually I thought Bernie had a better shot and posted that last week. The old saying all politics is local. I’m of the opinion he could win the part of Ohio I live in. It felt to me that the country was in the mood to go left. Then I saw the polling where a majority of democratic voters were looking for a moderate. To be honest, I don’t think people know what they want. Like at this point, Obamacare is popular, but not if you call it Obamacare. Most are for medical marijuana. Most, I think, are open to single payer. Those are all left positions, so I was surprised at the polling. I think the word liberal or progressive has just been demonized to the point people just are averse to saying they want it. It’s also possible while Bernie could win my area, he may get slaughtered in the affluent suburbs of Columbus. That famous judge in the Larry Flynt case he couldn’t define pornography, but he knew it when he saw it. I just don’t see a winner at this point and the polling is both early and contradictory. When I saw Obama speak, I knew I saw a winner. No one at this point feels like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Actually I thought Bernie had a better shot and posted that last week. The old saying all politics is local. I’m of the opinion he could win the part of Ohio I live in. It felt to me that the country was in the mood to go left. Then I saw the polling where a majority of democratic voters were looking for a moderate. To be honest, I don’t think people know what they want. Like at this point, Obamacare is popular, but not if you call it Obamacare. Most are for medical marijuana. Most, I think, are open to single payer. Those are all left positions, so I was surprised at the polling. I think the word liberal or progressive has just been demonized to the point people just are averse to saying they want it. It’s also possible while Bernie could win my area, he may get slaughtered in the affluent suburbs of Columbus. That famous judge in the Larry Flynt case he couldn’t define pornography, but he knew it when he saw it. I just don’t see a winner at this point and the polling is both early and contradictory. When I saw Obama speak, I knew I saw a winner. No one at this point feels like that.

    no one wants to be on the side that lost to donald trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Actually I thought Bernie had a better shot and posted that last week. The old saying all politics is local. I’m of the opinion he could win the part of Ohio I live in. It felt to me that the country was in the mood to go left. Then I saw the polling where a majority of democratic voters were looking for a moderate. To be honest, I don’t think people know what they want. Like at this point, Obamacare is popular, but not if you call it Obamacare. Most are for medical marijuana. Most, I think, are open to single payer. Those are all left positions, so I was surprised at the polling. I think the word liberal or progressive has just been demonized to the point people just are averse to saying they want it. It’s also possible while Bernie could win my area, he may get slaughtered in the affluent suburbs of Columbus. That famous judge in the Larry Flynt case he couldn’t define pornography, but he knew it when he saw it. I just don’t see a winner at this point and the polling is both early and contradictory. When I saw Obama speak, I knew I saw a winner. No one at this point feels like that.
    I don’t trust that poll’s results because so many people have no clue what “moderate” means. And as you mention, when asked about specific policies, most want the key ones championed by Sanders. For example, except for abortion, one of my close relatives who has considered herself a “conservative” for a long time, and is still registered as a Republican, now strongly supports the progressive policies that Beto O’Rourke championed in the 2018 Senate race.

    Also, “moderate” Democrats aren’t likely as progressives to be as politically active in the primaries, let alone vote in them. Bernie already has 1 million volunteers signed up and younger voters are desperate for the federal fovernment to address the decline in their economic opportunity set given how much the “moderate” Dems like Biden have worked to “rig” the economy in favor of the wealthy. $1 trillion in student debt and starting salaries that have fallen by over 50% relative to the cost of college over the last three decades is gnawing at their buying power and satisfaction with the status quo.

    So, as unpleasant as the prospect of the US elected its first “socialist” president, albeit a “democratic” one might be, wake up, folks. Because the peasants are reaching for their pitchforks.

    And in case you missed the CNN panel of once-Hillary voters from just 2 years (albeit against Trump in the GE) that I previously posted, here is another take on it.



    And note: These are folks who actually voted for Hillary in the GE, and did not sit out because of their distaste for her or anger over how the DNC fucked over Bernie.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I think the Dems are just fucked at the moment. Re-elections are referendums on the President unless you have a dynamic candidate. It’s possible the economy goes south pre-election, but trump having his highest approval rating after a week where Cohen testified and he acted insane at CPAC tells me that no matter how badly a week CNN or The Washington Post says he had, it’s not resonating. I don’t see a winner on the dem side. There is going to be this ideological purity test in the primaries despite polling showing a majority of the dem voters saying they want to see the party go more moderate. The country hates Washington more than anything else, and the only moderates are Biden or Kluboucher, yet nothing is more Washington than Biden and she doesn’t seem to have it. Feels like a recipe for 4 more years atm.
    I kind of agree with this.

    Ironically, the mainstream media has actually shot itself in the foot with its bias against Trump. Had they just honestly covered Trump and his follies, they'd still have plenty of material, yet they'd be far more trustworthy. However, they have had such a clear anti-Trump bias since 2016 that the average voter is getting very distrusting of them. Or, simply put, when Trump calls them "fake news", he's right about half the time. It's gotten to the point where I have to fact check anything bad they say about Trump. Keep in mind that, pre-2016, I was a CNN defender and openly disagreed with other conservatives who called them highly biased.

    The far left is now drowning out the moderates in the Democratic Party. The moderate left is the silent majority there, but they lack the passion of the far left, and they also get shouted down when they try to object.

    I know several lifelong Democrats who have become very turned off by the recent far-left domination of the party narrative.

    I don't think the Democrats learned from 2016, and their relative success in 2018 has deluded them into believing everything is going to automatically work in their favor in 2020.

    The average swing voter doesn't relate to extreme leftism. They find it off-putting and out-of-touch. It makes them feel as if Republicans, for all their faults, are the ones who understand them better.

    Democrats would be successful in 2020 if they put up a rational, baggage-free, moderate candidate who wants to help the poor and middle class, without vilifying the rich. They would need to put forth a message of inclusion regarding race relations, not a message of blaming the straight white male. They would get away from the romanticism of socialism.

    As you said, the only real moderate here is Biden, and he has his own baggage. He's old, he's totally establishment, and he has said a ton of stupid things over his career. Remember, Obama actually shut Biden down in September 2008, fearing Biden would say something idiotic and ruin his lead.

    Obama was overheard complaining about a Biden gaffe in the summer of 2008.

    From Wikipedia:

    Under instructions from the Obama campaign, Biden kept his speeches succinct and tried to avoid off-hand remarks, such as one about Obama's being tested by a foreign power soon after taking office, which had attracted negative attention. Privately, Obama was frustrated by Biden's remarks, saying "How many times is Biden gonna say something stupid?"
    Obama campaign staffers referred to Biden blunders as "Joe bombs" and kept Biden uninformed about strategy discussions, which in turn irked Biden. Relations between the two campaigns became strained for a month, until Biden apologized on a call to Obama and the two built a stronger partnership.

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    Druff, if you sincerely believe that the Dems are going to shit the bed in 2020 and Trump is going to be re-elected, why don’t you stock up on Trump 2020 futures on Predictit? They are currently going for less than 40 cents.

    https://www.predictit.org/markets/de...ntial-election

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    It's not really possible to 'load up' on predictit.org - I don't think? Maybe things have changed?

    It used to be that you couldn't ever have more than $850 at risk - although now, according to the FAQs, it looks like it's been changed to $850 per contract. Can anyone confirm if this is actually a change?

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    Also, current price you see is just the current best price for a single share.

    All that being said: Druffs whole "stats (or worse, graphs) are stupid, here's the way things really are - let me give you a few examples to prove my point" arguments when it comes to National issues are pretty much always trash.

    Predictit isn't the place to disprove him though.

     
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    Predictit sucks.

    Fees are waaaaaaay too high.

    Also, in general I don't like locking my money up for long periods of time on futures bets.

     
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