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  1. #721
    blake my sources are saying this is all about unions

    something is fishy here...amazon is hiding something cause they gave up WAY too easily.
    I initially thought the same as well, but being from NYC and a union member I can tell you first hand NYC would not have been a friendly place for the type of labor Amazon seems so committed to practicing. There would be rallies held there everyday until they unionized their workers and gave them better conditions. It would have been a very ugly fight for them. They knew that once they conceded, it would set a precedent they wouldn't like, so them pulling out makes perfect sense.

  2. #722
    Quote Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatire View Post
    blake my sources are saying this is all about unions



    I initially thought the same as well, but being from NYC and a union member I can tell you first hand NYC would not have been a friendly place for the type of labor Amazon seems so committed to practicing. There would be rallies held there everyday until they unionized their workers and gave them better conditions. It would have been a very ugly fight for them. They knew that once they conceded, it would set a precedent they wouldn't like, so them pulling out makes perfect sense.
    i read that unions were an issue but they were supposedly being worked out. one of the big ny unions hated that amazon pulled out, while the other liked it.

  3. #723
    to be fair, i was definitely off when i put this all on AOC. a bunch of ny politicians were against this. i don't know how the local system works there, but i read that there was a very anti-amazon person being put on a board that would have ratify the tax breaks, and that amazon knew it would be too much opposition.

  4. #724
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    She actually sounds just like typical economists or people in fields that have large abstract or probabilistic element. She uses concrete terms to describe conditional truths. It's kinda something you have to do otherwise you're constantly explaining variables.

    Oh and yea it would be bit troubling if she thought what you asked.

    just based on her words, it doesn't appear like she understood what the terms of the amazon deal actually were. nor does it appear that anyone else who saw her (except you i guess) actually believes she knew what she's talking about.

    if she really did get it, and was just misconstrued by literally everyone, she needs to issue a public statement, because she's getting absolutely slaughtered in the press and by fellow liberal politicians.

    in the morning joe clip i posted on the uber-liberal msnbc, they say she's "dangerous," "does not know what she's talking about" and "will hand the election to trump."

    bill de blasio and chuck todd on meet the press note that AOC didn't understand the deal at all.

    i could not find anyone in the news that seems to be giving her the benefit of the doubt that you are. it would be interesting to see if there were any.

    this is a weapon for trump unless she clarifies this.


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    did you watch the video i posted where she said this? seriously, go watch that and tell me if she sounds like an economist.
    Yes she does. For completely unknown reasons she assumes the listeners know something about the subject.
    again, her statement was hammered by literally everyone alive (not an exaggeration, literally every person on the planet), including actual economists like the two whose tweets i posted.
    Few days ago i spent some hours looking up what she has said in the last 6 months and that shortcut thingie popped up. Or that she does that a lot. I found something that could mean a few different things, but then i found other interviews etc. that made it clear what she meant. People in public positions usually try to avoid that but it's common when to people in the same field talk with each other. It's not really out of context, but the context is either somewhere else or there are "known" assumptions.

    I did mention reputable economists. Tax incentives are so ingrained that there are consultants for that. I don't know what the lobbying effort is for this.

  5. #725
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    again, her statement was hammered by literally everyone alive (not an exaggeration, literally every person on the planet), including actual economists like the two whose tweets i posted.
    If you meant Allan Smith and Sorkin, then Smith didn't comment it and Sorkin is journalist. Sorkin has a degree in communications.

  6. #726
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post

    exactly. the financial windfall being described by people who are super emotionally invested in making AOC look country simple is absolutely nothing compared to the infrastructure issues this was going to create.

    additionally.

    everyone seems to be forgetting that months ago, we were absolutely styling on cities for offering to leap neck first into predatory loan nooses just go have the 'privilege' of amazon 'chose' them for their next city.

    new york citys deal was so fucking naive that amazon was like 'lol ok wow, sure im in'.

    everyone is acting like amazon just decided on its own to show up and got chased out of town. thats basically delusional.

    enough articles have been posted pointing out that the deal was trash, im not even going to bother pointing them out at this point because if it didnt do any good before, its not going to stop this latest round of posting about how 'the left blew it' or the one that im sure will start up in a few hours or the one after that.

    because alt-right shithole.

    like literally.
    So you would say in your estimation the deal was bad enough the city of NY is better off for not having to follow though with it? This isn't some sort of trap, I am genuinely curious. I personally haven't followed the economic factors enough to have a strong opinion one way or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    again, her statement was hammered by literally everyone alive (not an exaggeration, literally every person on the planet), including actual economists like the two whose tweets i posted.
    If you meant Allan Smith and Sorkin, then Smith didn't comment it and Sorkin is journalist. Sorkin has a degree in communications.
    i meant rattner and sorkin. rattner was in obama's white house. ok if sorkin's major was not in economics, but he is a well-regarded financial reporter for the NYTimes, on tv at CNBC and has a book out on the financial system.

    they "know something about the subject" as you put it. and the fact that they think AOC is "financially illiterate" should be troubling to everyone for many reasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    If you meant Allan Smith and Sorkin, then Smith didn't comment it and Sorkin is journalist. Sorkin has a degree in communications.
    i meant rattner and sorkin. rattner was in obama's white house. ok if sorkin's major was not in economics, but he is a well-regarded financial reporter for the NYTimes, on tv at CNBC and has a book out on the financial system.

    they "know something about the subject" as you put it. and the fact that they think AOC is "financially illiterate" should be troubling to everyone for many reasons
    I'll look up rattner. Fairly sure being co-creator of Billions negates all merits for Sorkin. This is mostly about math side of economics. Also common in accounting (i don't know if you bunch that with economics or not) to not connect negative and positive items at all while having weird concept of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post

    exactly. the financial windfall being described by people who are super emotionally invested in making AOC look country simple is absolutely nothing compared to the infrastructure issues this was going to create.

    additionally.

    everyone seems to be forgetting that months ago, we were absolutely styling on cities for offering to leap neck first into predatory loan nooses just go have the 'privilege' of amazon 'chose' them for their next city.

    new york citys deal was so fucking naive that amazon was like 'lol ok wow, sure im in'.

    everyone is acting like amazon just decided on its own to show up and got chased out of town. thats basically delusional.

    enough articles have been posted pointing out that the deal was trash, im not even going to bother pointing them out at this point because if it didnt do any good before, its not going to stop this latest round of posting about how 'the left blew it' or the one that im sure will start up in a few hours or the one after that.

    because alt-right shithole.

    like literally.
    So you would say in your estimation the deal was bad enough the city of NY is better off for not having to follow though with it? This isn't some sort of trap, I am genuinely curious. I personally haven't followed the economic factors enough to have a strong opinion one way or another.


    honestly im leaving my opinions at the door; the people i know who live in nyc are saying NY is better off for not having to follow through with it.

    nyc still has significant damage to its public transit from sandy, the repair schedule on the books right now will last years and impact subway lines essential to bringing workers to/from the proposed site, and even before sandy those subway lines were considered nightmare fuel.

    and amazon's response to those concerns was 'oh.. i guess we will build a helipad'.

    fuck outta here amazon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    i meant rattner and sorkin. rattner was in obama's white house. ok if sorkin's major was not in economics, but he is a well-regarded financial reporter for the NYTimes, on tv at CNBC and has a book out on the financial system.

    they "know something about the subject" as you put it. and the fact that they think AOC is "financially illiterate" should be troubling to everyone for many reasons
    I'll look up rattner. Fairly sure being co-creator of Billions negates all merits for Sorkin. This is mostly about math side of economics. Also common in accounting (i don't know if you bunch that with economics or not) to not connect negative and positive items at all while having weird concept of time.
    you can check out or critique sorkin's take here



    didn't find one for rattner even though he's on morning joe every other day

  11. #731
    interesting that both the far left and right hated the amazon-new york deal. how many times does that happen?


  12. #732
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    I'll look up rattner. Fairly sure being co-creator of Billions negates all merits for Sorkin. This is mostly about math side of economics. Also common in accounting (i don't know if you bunch that with economics or not) to not connect negative and positive items at all while having weird concept of time.
    you can check out or critique sorkin's take here



    didn't find one for rattner even though he's on morning joe every other day
    I'll check it out...


  13. #733
    It was just the last few seconds about AOC. Subsidy thing isn't true if taken literally. I think he said it's only a subsidy if you don't get anything back. I don't know if he was rushed or whatever. It also doesn't matter a lot at what point it's paid. I can't even remember who said that.

    It's almost same if 3bil is collected before or after 27bil for accounting purposes. You can adjust for inflation and few other things if it's after but it's never negated.

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