Is this true?

[thesparten]

On another forum(bobofag) there is a discussion about live games being softer then online games at comparable stakes.

What do my p.f.a brothers and sisters think

[big dick]

live is literally 5x easier than online. The online fish are better than a lot of live regs

[thesparten]

live is literally 5x easier than online. The online fish are better than a lot of live regs

Dammmm, thanks...

I'm going to try 1/2 nl just for fun at a.c... thanks.

You wouldn't know which casino I should go too in a.c. for a noob like me??

[big dick]

Nah never been out there but the 1/2 games should all prob be pretty good.

[MumblesBadly]

live is literally 5x easier than online. The online fish are better than a lot of live regs

Dammmm, thanks...

I'm going to try 1/2 nl just for fun at a.c... thanks.

You wouldn't know which casino I should go too in a.c. for a noob like me??

You taking the Chinatown bus or driving?

[duped_samaritan]

live is literally 5x easier than online. The online fish are better than a lot of live regs

Dammmm, thanks...

I'm going to try 1/2 nl just for fun at a.c... thanks.

You wouldn't know which casino I should go too in a.c. for a noob like me??

Live 1/2 often plays like a good 10NL game online. (1/2 online often plays tougher than 25/50 live)

Borgata is by far the nicest poker room with most action.

I suggest checking out Golden Nugget though - it's much smaller but they take better care of players and have much better promos.

If you want to stay on the Boardwalk, check out the room at Wild Wild West (between Ballys and Caesars). It's not as nice, but I think they still have the play 5 + hours get a free room promo.

Don't bother with Harrahs or Tropicana.

You taking the Chinatown bus or driving?

If you want bus, go to nasty ass port authority. $40-50 round trip + $20 in freeplay and you can return whenever you want with buses leaving every hour or so.

[thesparten]

Everyone, tx for the response,s.

I'll check out the wild wild west or the golden nugget then.


Not staying overnight so I'll probably take a bus and catch some zzzz,s on the way there and back.

[tyde]

live is literally 5x easier than online. The online fish are better than a lot of live regs

Need to get popeils take on this since he plays so much live

El oh El oh El

[Mintjewlips]

It doesn't matter, nobody fucking folds today, Gl!

[ErickAA]

Live is much softer. But it is also much slower and the rake is proportionally higher. So don't expect to be able to beat the game just because the players are bad. I doubt very many people (if any) are +EV at 1-2 NLHE live (for any meaningful amount, if you are enjoying yourself and making $4/hr more power to you) over a long sample, despite the games being generally soft.

[ErickAA]

In unrelated news I lost a few hundred playing poker in January (which is just standard variance at the stakes I was playing) and haven't played since, and have no intention to anytime soon. 2018 is in danger of becoming my first losing year as a poker player ever.

[thesparten]

Live is much softer. But it is also much slower and the rake is proportionally higher. So don't expect to be able to beat the game just because the players are bad. I doubt very many people (if any) are +EV at 1-2 NLHE live (for any meaningful amount, if you are enjoying yourself and making $4/hr more power to you) over a long sample, despite the games being generally soft.

Thanks but I don't play poker for a living nor do I intend too, ever....

Don't care what the rake is but if I can have a good time and learn better poker and actually NOT LOSE, I will consider that a win..

If and ever I feel like I could up my game in stakes, I would do so as long as I'm having fun, learning better poker and not loseing..

If I could actually enjoy the day and have couple EXTRA bucks in my pocket after that.. IM A FUCKEN PRO, LOL

[ErickAA]

Live is much softer. But it is also much slower and the rake is proportionally higher. So don't expect to be able to beat the game just because the players are bad. I doubt very many people (if any) are +EV at 1-2 NLHE live (for any meaningful amount, if you are enjoying yourself and making $4/hr more power to you) over a long sample, despite the games being generally soft.

Thanks but I don't play poker for a living nor do I intend too, ever....

Don't care what the rake is but if I can have a good time and learn better poker and actually NOT LOSE, I will consider that a win..

If and ever I feel like I could up my game in stakes, I would do so as long as I'm having fun, learning better poker and not loseing..

If I could actually enjoy the day and have couple EXTRA bucks in my pocket after that.. IM A FUCKEN PRO, LOL

Even if they are not pros, some people who take poker seriously still only play if they feel it is +EV, and don't want to play under conditions where they know it isn't. If you just want to have fun and give yourself a reasonable chance to come up ahead a little in the short term, live 1-2 sounds like a fair plan.

Because poker was +EV for me when I started (mainly because the games were SUPER soft, and not any great talent on my part) I can't really have fun playing it anymore under conditions when I know it is -EV.

[thesparten]

Thanks but I don't play poker for a living nor do I intend too, ever....

Don't care what the rake is but if I can have a good time and learn better poker and actually NOT LOSE, I will consider that a win..

If and ever I feel like I could up my game in stakes, I would do so as long as I'm having fun, learning better poker and not loseing..

If I could actually enjoy the day and have couple EXTRA bucks in my pocket after that.. IM A FUCKEN PRO, LOL

Even if they are not pros, some people who take poker seriously still only play if they feel it is +EV, and don't want to play under conditions where they know it isn't. If you just want to have fun and give yourself a reasonable chance to come up ahead a little in the short term, live 1-2 sounds like a fair plan.

Because poker was +EV for me when I started (mainly because the games were SUPER soft, and not any great talent on my part) I can't really have fun playing it anymore under conditions when I know it is -EV.

I understand, I have evolved..

On global I absolutely expect to have a winning session Everytime I sit. When I don't, I just slam the laptop shut..

Also, believe it or not. I wouldn't mind some rakeback now.

When I'm sitting for a couple of hours and it's just going back and forth. I just see all the rake there making.

But I will approach live the same way I approached online in the beginning.

It's healthier and safer.

Believe it or not, my goal really is just to get better..

[big dick]

Live is much softer. But it is also much slower and the rake is proportionally higher. So don't expect to be able to beat the game just because the players are bad. I doubt very many people (if any) are +EV at 1-2 NLHE live (for any meaningful amount, if you are enjoying yourself and making $4/hr more power to you) over a long sample, despite the games being generally soft.

What? $4 an hour 1-2?
I'd bet you my right nut that I could beat 1-2 100bb for more than $4 an hour. Any decent online pro could beat the avg 100bb 1/2 game for at least $15 but prob more.I think you are underestimating how large the skill gap is between the average live 1/2 rec and a decent online pro.

[big dick]

15 an hour blows and any decent online pro would not be grinding live 1/2 but you get my point

[ErickAA]

Live is much softer. But it is also much slower and the rake is proportionally higher. So don't expect to be able to beat the game just because the players are bad. I doubt very many people (if any) are +EV at 1-2 NLHE live (for any meaningful amount, if you are enjoying yourself and making $4/hr more power to you) over a long sample, despite the games being generally soft.

What? $4 an hour 1-2?
I'd bet you my right nut that I could beat 1-2 100bb for more than $4 an hour. Any decent online pro could beat the avg 100bb 1/2 game for at least $15 but prob more.I think you are underestimating how large the skill gap is between the average live 1/2 rec and a decent online pro.

I dunno. I have been playing live poker for a long time. I have a pretty good feel for how these things work in the long run. Something I think people don't take into account when they talk about how soft games are is they are often talking about prime time Fri-Sat nights. If you were trying to grind the game 40+ hrs/week you would be forced to play in much tougher time slots. Also, if you are targeting the juicy shift (weekends and late nights) it is really disruptive to having a normal, healthy life and that shit gets real old real fast.

Maybe if you only play Friday and Saturday nights you could sustain a great win rate (I would consider $15/hr a great win rate in 1-2 NLHE). But I am pessimistic you could do it even then, and I am very pessimistic someone could have a great win rate playing normal working hours. Another factor that might not be as bad where you live and could make a big difference is the drop, which I think is $6-$7/hand in Los Angeles but might be significantly lower in other places.

[thesparten]

I would go to a.c. just a couple of times a month..

Poker is a hobby not a life for me..

I wouldn't mind if my hobby paid me a couple of bucks...

Even if it doesn't , it's a hobby, a game.. I do it couse it's fun...

Just like playing chess or crossword puzzles. Just trying to get better , pass the time and have fun while challenging myself but I think $4 hour is on the low side for 1/2..

If I'm capable of being semi competent, I could see $10 or $15 bucks an hour or $70 or $80 bucks total in a five hour session.

Even if I lose $100 playing a 5 hour session at 1/2.. going to the movies cost $40 per person for 2 hours.

I might be" broke" by new York standards NOT BY Walmart standards.
On a side note, whether online or live. Both should only be uber focused on recs and fuck the 7 stars..

Bring the recs and the rest will follow regardless of rake or curtain rods.