Originally Posted by
elevengrover
Thanks for admitting she sent those. Perhaps you can go back through all your blogs and highlight each piece that originated with Heick. If not, I can. And to once again correct your misunderstanding, it isn't that she leaked docs that hurt players, it is that she didn't leak all the docs she took to clear her name and to force higher remunerations. Arguing with you is often difficult because you cannot remain focused on the topic.
Finally we get a tiny germ of truth out of your posting. You have some wild notion that iovation is supporting our work. Aside from the hilarity since it was our recent efforts that drove the Ultimate Poker issues against iovation, it also shows clearly there is an opposing side (Heick/Hamilton/Makar/whomever else). Most observers will correctly get that our project is much like the referee seeking to understand levels of culpability and motivations on both sides. You have become deeply enmeshed with one side and thus your story is always going to be slanted.
I accept your criteria for judging the independence of our project; see who we leave out. If there is anyone deserving of blame that does not get it in our project, that is totally on me. Obviously, we hold all other projects to the same standard.
Lets get back to lawsuits though. So far, I have been contacted by three different firms and we contacted two others directly. In every case, I offered myself and our entire cache of evidence to support a player initiative. In two cases, we charged a nominal sum (less than $100) so as not to make an untoward appearance.
And on your side? In the first case, you couldn't even figure out who the attorney was, confusing him with a high stakes MTT legend. Worse, without doing any research you started screeching about defamation and wrote a post describing our "persecution" of Jack Bates when in fact we attempted to clear him from the brief. The second is even funnier. A young lawyer was tasked to look into the case and started contacting folks. I took a lot of time to help educate the guy and he seemed like an honest broker that could help players. You on the other hand slapped him down and then wrote a blog about it:
"He basically wanted me to bring me up to speed on the entirety of the UB scandal, which of course had me rolling my eyes on my side of the phone connection; I certainly don’t have problems with anyone offering legal challenges against UB, AP, or modern-day parent Cereus, but I’m also not a day-care center, potty-training everyone who comes along."
So when you make accusations about us withholding evidence, you really mean you want us to do your work for you and you have never given much thought to players in the case at all. The current initiatives rest on the fact that in addition to players, there are two aggrieved shareholder camps, both of who believe they slot in BEFORE players in any monies due. You carry water for the anti-AP shareholders and Heick is smack in the middle of what could develop into a significant legal action against her, Hamilton, iovation, Pierson, etc. I'm down with all that, a legal action could definitely produce Discovery useful to understanding the case. I just feel it is important for everyone's motives to be totally transparent.
Again, no one's ever paid me to look into this stuff. Your discussion re: the Canadian lawyer epitomizes the belief that I should be your (or his) unpaid employee, when in fact I did try to give him some help.
For those who want a prime example of how Kenneth Scott Bell takes things out of context when he's not doing his slander / libel / defamation stuff -- and I write it out specifically to make sure it gets into Google that way -- you should go back and read the complete post he's referring to.
What Bell isn't telling y'all is this. I called the lawyer (Serge Kalloghlian) on my own dime after he e-mailed me, and found out that he hadn't even read the important legal documents related to the Excapsa liquidation, which were absolutely a prerequisite for any sort of Canadian action, as this was. Instead, he wanted to schedule a lengthy phone meeting for me to sit down and go through the entire history of the UB scandal with him.
Fuck that; he can get himself up to speed a bit first and at least show me he's serious about this if he wants my time. Instead, this Serge guy was being lazy and wanted me to do his work for him, when he was going to have to go look through those legal documents no matter what, since they were very germane to his and JD Moussa's possible case. As relayed in that post, I tried four different times in asking him to take a piece of paper and a pen and write down the URL I wanted to give him (a short URL at that), so he could go to that site and start downloading stuff. I did it; he needed to do it too. He finally wrote down the URL, after much arguing. I even told him I'd point out which were the good documents, but I was not interested in serving as his unpaid legal aide and walking him through what became thousands of pages of legalese in addition to being his tour guide through all of the Internet for UB scandal stuff.
This Serge guy wanted none of it; he just wanted to be potty-trained using my time. Even at that, I wished him well, and another quote from that same post Bell is now using to try to trash me reads as follows:
So while I was unwilling to serve as Kalloghlian’s personal tutor, I did wish him well in his endeavor, and I can confirm for the world that he and his law firm and his looking into the matter all seem to be legit. What I did for him was point him — after about four attempts to get him to grab a pen and paper and write down a brief URL — toward the Canadian liquidator’s website where all sorts of business documents relating to Excapsa’s declared bankruptcy and subsequent sale to AP/Blast-Off can be found. That’s sort of a litmus test when lawyers come a-calling. They can go read the several hundred pages of documents found here, and if they make it through that, then I’ll start to take them seriously.
So will there be a class-action case brought against UB, AP, Cereus, or any of several other possible parties? Too soon to tell, and in response to Kalloghlian’s final question, I believe that the jurisdictional issues are far more of a hindrance to successful civil litigation then they would be in comparable criminal matters. But Moussa and Kalloghlian deserve a little bit of credit for at least looking into a new way to right some wrongs. Their way may not be great for everyone, but at least it’s something.
It is disgusting for Kenneth Scott Bell to state that I did something wrong there, but that's how the guy rolls -- he's an evil, despicable man. He's trying very, very hard right now to fling whatever dirt he can my way, because he knows his silly conspiracy-theory story is teetering. As long as he keeps showing up, I plan to keep pwning him in this thread.
Also, those AP shareholders. I don't think I've heard from any of them in two years. They gave up after Black Friday, when it was clear there was no money and no assets left, but it was their intent to oust the frat boys and reimburse the players and try to get the site back on the road to health and respectability. I supported them in their endeavor, but they obviously never got the chance to put their plans into action. It is again despicable of you to miscast that the way you did, when they were really the first concerted effort to get AP out of the hands of the thieves. But I also don't expect anything else from you.
I also never said Heick sent those ieSnare scans to me. I said it was obvious that they originated with her. I'm also not the first person outside of UB who had them. D'oh.