Meet Chris Wylie, the British liberal democrat who created Mintjewlips, Sidedish, and the rest of the Trumptards (Facebook data scandal)

[The_Lurker]

You are right Druff, and should immediately delete your Facebook account.

[Dan Druff]

Funny response to Zuck's post from a guy named "Max Burns":

In other words, Facebook was ALWAYS able to function with a tighter data policy - you chose to continue using a lax data policy until a bad event forced your hand.

Nail on the fucking head right there.

Except it's worse because they haven't even made their new data policy that tight.

[Dan Druff]

Actually, the comments on his post are gold.

He's getting totally destroyed. Not that a guy with $33 billion (world's 5th richest man) likely gives a shit, especially when surrounded by yes-men telling him that he's right.

[gauchojake]

Quite the ironic thread

[Dan Druff]

2016 article from The Guardian (UK) about Facebook actually LESSENING privacy, and making it difficult for "even internet savvy users to prevent data sharing":

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...rofile-exposed

[Dan Druff]

Facebook used location data for its "find friends" algorithm:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...n-data-not-now

... but denied it for awhile.


I can tell you that the "find friends" thing is creepier than it appears.

The biggest example of this came at the expense of a girl I knew from back in the 90s. One day it gave me a "People You Might Know" suggestion for someone who looked a hell of a lot like her, yet the name was different.

I clicked through, and found that it was a fetish porn profile. I didn't talk to this girl much anymore -- in fact it had been years -- but the last time we messaged each other, she gave me some story about a great career in real estate she had. Turned out that was all a lie. In reality, she was doing fetish porn -- not having sex on camera or getting fully nude, but doing foot fetish, food fetish, and other type videos like that for a living. She had never told a soul from her "real life" about her fetish porn identity.

I found out how secret it all was because I contacted her and advised her to kill that profile. If it suggested her to me -- someone who has been just a casual acquaintance for the past 20+ years -- I could only imagine how many others in her life would get the same suggestion.

But she couldn't understand it. Apparently she didn't have the password to that profile, and never created it. The porn label created and operated it. She never once used it. Therefore, she asked, how could it have possibly associated her with me?

We couldn't figure it out, but my only theory was that perhaps at some point she mentioned having known "poker pro Todd Witteles", and maybe they looked me up on the same computer used to create the porn profile. But she didn't remember doing that.

Anyway, apparently those videos were old, and she didn't work with that company anymore, so she had no power to delete the profile. I never bothered asking what happened after that.

I promised not to tell anyone we both knew about it.

But yes, Facebook does save information of who you look up on there (even from a different account on the same IP or computer), and then suggests you as a friend to that person sometime in the future. It doesn't always do this, but it does sometimes.

So if you think you're spying on your ex from 1995 without her knowing, think again.

[sonatine]

Actually, the comments on his post are gold.

He's getting totally destroyed. Not that a guy with $33 billion (world's 5th richest man) likely gives a shit, especially when surrounded by yes-men telling him that he's right.

we will see what he has when the legal dust settles.

[MumblesBadly]

Facebook used location data for its "find friends" algorithm:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...n-data-not-now

... but denied it for awhile.


I can tell you that the "find friends" thing is creepier than it appears.

The biggest example of this came at the expense of a girl I knew from back in the 90s. One day it gave me a "People You Might Know" suggestion for someone who looked a hell of a lot like her, yet the name was different.

I clicked through, and found that it was a fetish porn profile. I didn't talk to this girl much anymore -- in fact it had been years -- but the last time we messaged each other, she gave me some story about a great career in real estate she had. Turned out that was all a lie. In reality, she was doing fetish porn -- not having sex on camera or getting fully nude, but doing foot fetish, food fetish, and other type videos like that for a living. She had never told a soul from her "real life" about her fetish porn identity.

I found out how secret it all was because I contacted her and advised her to kill that profile. If it suggested her to me -- someone who has been just a casual acquaintance for the past 20+ years -- I could only imagine how many others in her life would get the same suggestion.

But she couldn't understand it. Apparently she didn't have the password to that profile, and never created it. The porn label created and operated it. She never once used it. Therefore, she asked, how could it have possibly associated her with me?

We couldn't figure it out, but my only theory was that perhaps at some point she mentioned having known "poker pro Todd Witteles", and maybe they looked me up on the same computer used to create the porn profile. But she didn't remember doing that.

Anyway, apparently those videos were old, and she didn't work with that company anymore, so she had no power to delete the profile. I never bothered asking what happened after that.

I promised not to tell anyone we both knew about it.

But yes, Facebook does save information of who you look up on there (even from a different account on the same IP or computer), and then suggests you as a friend to that person sometime in the future. It doesn't always do this, but it does sometimes.

So if you think you're spying on your ex from 1995 without her knowing, think again.

Druff, would you take a moment from expositing the details of this matter and explain why you think you deserve better service from a *free* service? TIA

[LegallyNonBindingPosts]

David and Charles Koch also own a data service similar to CA.

http://www.i-360.com/

[sonatine]

David and Charles Koch also own a data service similar to CA.

http://www.i-360.com/

there are _thousands_ of data warehouses out there, the way those FB apps make money is by punting all the data they gather to them of course. its a vast ecosystem.

what makes CA special is that they were willing to let the weaponized AI genie out of the bottle and sell it to right wing paramilitary orgs, where as the competition was just looking to maximize click-throughs and do passive profiling.

[BCR]

David and Charles Koch also own a data service similar to CA.

http://www.i-360.com/

there are _thousands_ of data warehouses out there, the way those FB apps make money is by punting all the data they gather to them of course. its a vast ecosystem.

what makes CA special is that they were willing to let the weaponized AI genie out of the bottle and sell it to right wing paramilitary orgs, where as the competition was just looking to maximize click-throughs and do passive profiling.

Question for you. The main issue with CA is the nexus of Trump and Russia and right-wing paramilitary orgs. I’ve heard you many times mention the impressive skill set of Russian hackers. If we assume Trump was in bed with Putin which seems obvious, what did CA provide that Russia couldn’t have achieved on their own given Facebook’s lax security? I don’t know if that question makes sense, but it seems to me what they most did was provide cover and insight. Like an English company wanting information for “research purposes” would make Facebook feel way more comfortable than some Russian connected company. Also sometimes Russia seems to lack a fundamental understanding of the American psyche. Is CA most culpable because of said cover and teaching Russians how to think and implement the data, or for the technical ability to harvest it, which seems like something they’d already possess.

[sonatine]

there are _thousands_ of data warehouses out there, the way those FB apps make money is by punting all the data they gather to them of course. its a vast ecosystem.

what makes CA special is that they were willing to let the weaponized AI genie out of the bottle and sell it to right wing paramilitary orgs, where as the competition was just looking to maximize click-throughs and do passive profiling.

Question for you. The main issue with CA is the nexus of Trump and Russia and right-wing paramilitary orgs. I’ve heard you many times mention the impressive skill set of Russian hackers. If we assume Trump was in bed with Putin which seems obvious, what did CA provide that Russia couldn’t have achieved on their own given Facebook’s lax security? I don’t know if that question makes sense, but it seems to me what they most did was provide cover and insight. Like an English company wanting information for “research purposes” would make Facebook feel way more comfortable than some Russian connected company. Also sometimes Russia seems to lack a fundamental understanding of the American psyche. Is CA most culpable because of said cover and teaching Russians how to think and implement the data, or for the technical ability to harvest it, which seems like something they’d already possess.

The relationship between CA and FSB is poorly defined as of yet but the shapes of the missing pieces of the puzzle are ominous.

Mueller is focusing on it:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-and-cambridge

We already have Flynn/Manafort's forensic fingers in the Lukoil/FSB pie but it would be typically Russian to manufacture those circumstances just to create more turmoil. But just the fact that Flynn/Manafort got so very, very rich behind all this lends itself strongly to the theory that they were in fact engaged in some quid pro quo relationship with thinly veiled FSB resources, and that the ingredients in that soup include most if not everything on this list:

CA technology, CA product, DNC emails, Lukoil stock, and money laundering through TrumpOrg.

Russian APT crews likely had no role in the CA / trollfarm parts of this story, beyond providing the hacked DNC emails and other kompromat(everything you see at Wikileaks basically) to the FSB. Using them for the active measures agitprop portion of the show would be like trying to change a tire with a scalpel, it's needlessly risky. Their product would be passed back to the FSB agitprop teams and fed into the weaponized social media resources along with other conspiracy theories and sundry Christian fundamentalist/protectionist/nationalist memes. All of that would be coordinated by a central FSB team, providing top-down support/direction/resources to the Russian trollfarms.

Remember that none of this was caused by lax security at Facebook. Security had nothing to do with any of this; security is the application of specific controls to bolster what we call the CIA (no relation) triad;

Confidentiality
Integrity of data
Availability of data

(lately there is a push to move to CIAA which includes 'audit' fwiw).

Facebook's security protocols never failed their pre-ordained definition. They actually caught the lateral scraping but never flagged it as potential abuse after being told it was part of some educational program iirc. Poor training, poor judgement, a lack of awareness, but not a failure of security.

Whats more, the crown jewels wasnt the scraped data at all. The crown jewels were the real time behavior of the people being targetted with memeware(tm). That was where the AI was able to take things to the next level. And the current narrative is that CA gave the FSB(Lukoil) a powerpoint on how to harvest their baseline profile data (perfectly legally) using their own lolgames and lolquizzes and even explained to them how their AI used supervised training on the fly to engage Dumbshit, USA most effectively.

Which is a very curious thing for CA to do, btw.

Regardless, at that point, the FSB had what they needed to roll out their own CA.

But the thing thats making everyone back away slowly from everyone involved in TrumpOrg/CA/Lukoil/etc is that there is an absolute note for note correlation between FSB pushed troll content and the words that came out of Trump's mouth.

Meaning: Trump/Don Jr/Flynn/Manafort/FSB were orchestrating their propaganda with each other.

Further more, having access to the CA product would have turbocharged the training and sophistication of the FSB trollfarm targetted agitprop platform. To the point where it could be a make or break decision for TrumpOrg to facilitate that knowledge transfer.

And after all; in for a penny, in for a pound. And as we can clearly see, TrumpOrg has been 'in for a penny' with Russian moneylaundering for decades. The names and faces proposing 'an arrangement' between TrumpOrg and Trollfarm.ru would all be friendly and familiar.

My point being that there was no need to unleash the Russian APT teams when they can get the same data for the cost of getting Manafort's dick wet on a private yacht in the Caspian, and then get paid by TrumpOrg for their agitprop campaign on top of it.

[gauchojake]

Sonatine definitely had a boner when he wrote that

[BCR]

Question for you. The main issue with CA is the nexus of Trump and Russia and right-wing paramilitary orgs. I’ve heard you many times mention the impressive skill set of Russian hackers. If we assume Trump was in bed with Putin which seems obvious, what did CA provide that Russia couldn’t have achieved on their own given Facebook’s lax security? I don’t know if that question makes sense, but it seems to me what they most did was provide cover and insight. Like an English company wanting information for “research purposes” would make Facebook feel way more comfortable than some Russian connected company. Also sometimes Russia seems to lack a fundamental understanding of the American psyche. Is CA most culpable because of said cover and teaching Russians how to think and implement the data, or for the technical ability to harvest it, which seems like something they’d already possess.

The relationship between CA and FSB is poorly defined as of yet but the shapes of the missing pieces of the puzzle are ominous.

Mueller is focusing on it:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-and-cambridge

We already have Flynn/Manafort's forensic fingers in the Lukoil/FSB pie but it would be typically Russian to manufacture those circumstances just to create more turmoil. But just the fact that Flynn/Manafort got so very, very rich behind all this lends itself strongly to the theory that they were in fact engaged in some quid pro quo relationship with thinly veiled FSB resources, and that the ingredients in that soup include most if not everything on this list:

CA technology, CA product, DNC emails, Lukoil stock, and money laundering through TrumpOrg.

Russian APT crews likely had no role in the CA / trollfarm parts of this story, beyond providing the hacked DNC emails and other kompromat(everything you see at Wikileaks basically) to the FSB. Using them for the active measures agitprop portion of the show would be like trying to change a tire with a scalpel, it's needlessly risky. Their product would be passed back to the FSB agitprop teams and fed into the weaponized social media resources along with other conspiracy theories and sundry Christian fundamentalist/protectionist/nationalist memes. All of that would be coordinated by a central FSB team, providing top-down support/direction/resources to the Russian trollfarms.

Remember that none of this was caused by lax security at Facebook. Security had nothing to do with any of this; security is the application of specific controls to bolster what we call the CIA (no relation) triad;

Confidentiality
Integrity of data
Availability of data

(lately there is a push to move to CIAA which includes 'audit' fwiw).

Facebook's security protocols never failed their pre-ordained definition. They actually caught the lateral scraping but never flagged it as potential abuse after being told it was part of some educational program iirc. Poor training, poor judgement, a lack of awareness, but not a failure of security.

Whats more, the crown jewels wasnt the scraped data at all. The crown jewels were the real time behavior of the people being targetted with memeware(tm). That was where the AI was able to take things to the next level. And the current narrative is that CA gave the FSB(Lukoil) a powerpoint on how to harvest their baseline profile data (perfectly legally) using their own lolgames and lolquizzes and even explained to them how their AI used supervised training on the fly to engage Dumbshit, USA most effectively.

Which is a very curious thing for CA to do, btw.

Regardless, at that point, the FSB had what they needed to roll out their own CA.

But the thing thats making everyone back away slowly from everyone involved in TrumpOrg/CA/Lukoil/etc is that there is an absolute note for note correlation between FSB pushed troll content and the words that came out of Trump's mouth.

Meaning: Trump/Don Jr/Flynn/Manafort/FSB were orchestrating their propaganda with each other.

Further more, having access to the CA product would have turbocharged the training and sophistication of the FSB trollfarm targetted agitprop platform. To the point where it could be a make or break decision for TrumpOrg to facilitate that knowledge transfer.

And after all; in for a penny, in for a pound. And as we can clearly see, TrumpOrg has been 'in for a penny' with Russian moneylaundering for decades. The names and faces proposing 'an arrangement' between TrumpOrg and Trollfarm.ru would all be friendly and familiar.

My point being that there was no need to unleash the Russian APT teams when they can get the same data for the cost of getting Manafort's dick wet on a private yacht in the Caspian, and then get paid by TrumpOrg for their agitprop campaign on top of it.

Thanks. That feels probably way more right than wrong despite you having to speculate on what’s most likely.


I travel back and forth between my house and my gf’s house pretty much every day. Both heavy Trump areas. 25 minute drive. In my town, the vast majority of favorite movies lists on Facebook would include Goodfellas and Scarface. Trump’s bravado is what sells here. Out in the country where she’s at, it’s all God and guns. That ability to hone in and run the Trump clips where he’s encouraging the crowd to beat the shit out of protestors where I live, and run the clips where he’s in a prayer group or meeting with NRA officials where she lives is the difference between winning and losing. From the outside it just looks like similar towns within the same metropolitan designation. There’s always been this notion that there’s two Americas, but there’s probably a hundred Americas, and that ability to know exactly how to strike the right chord in each one is the most intriguing part of all that technology to me.

[thesidedish]

LOL @ ENTERTAINING OP'S THEORIES

[sonatine]

Thanks. That feels probably way more right than wrong despite you having to speculate on what’s most likely.


I travel back and forth between my house and my gf’s house pretty much every day. Both heavy Trump areas. 25 minute drive. In my town, the vast majority of favorite movies lists on Facebook would include Goodfellas and Scarface. Trump’s bravado is what sells here. Out in the country where she’s at, it’s all God and guns. That ability to hone in and run the Trump clips where he’s encouraging the crowd to beat the shit out of protestors where I live, and run the clips where he’s in a prayer group or meeting with NRA officials where she lives is the difference between winning and losing. From the outside it just looks like similar towns within the same metropolitan designation. There’s always been this notion that there’s two Americas, but there’s probably a hundred Americas, and that ability to know exactly how to strike the right chord in each one is the most intriguing part of all that technology to me.

William Burroughs once put forward the theory that there was a different God for every man woman child so on (sloppy on my part but you get the idea).

CA is in the business of delivering that prophesy to the highest bidder, who gets to dictate each God's message.

So yeah some things are going to have to change with regards to our outdated and archaic concepts of free speech and such. Not saying its something to abandon, just saying there are a lot of MCEC dishwashers who arent rising to the intellectual occasion.

[thesidedish]

"only the side I don't like does this even tho my side is the biggest persuasion scammers there is and have completely given up on any other strategy"

that's u

[sonatine]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b054d118e0aa25


oh wow crazy coincidence that ops theories are already getting proven true; CA dirtbags secured cabinet postings in trumps administration.

[thesidedish]

ive told u faggots this is how the game is played like literally over 100 times and nobody addressed those parts of my posts EVER and now u act like u understand it cuz the msm told u it was bad cuz trump did it AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!


T-BALL PLAYERS MUCH??

[DJ_Chaps]

Are you kidding me?

Maybe no directly, but certainly indirectly.

Only in your twisted mind. Democrats want people to feel reasonably sure they aren't going to face discrimination or excessive and unnecessary difficulty in life based on sexuality or transgender status. They have no platform about the science of it, and they don't want to force sidetard to blow a tranny. Stop mainlining Fox News and take a breath of reality.

bro, there are are apparently 63 genders (lol) and if you disagree you're an alt-right bigot, remember. or is that just for us in Canada?