UIGEA -- fact/fitction

[ltrainkoja]

I have heard Druff four or five times on this topic. It is true this passed due to being piggy backed on th the safe harbor (port) act. Everyone of us would have voted in favor of this act. I came to this site because of my interest in poker. I am sure there are some here for other reasons. I am looking to get the record straight. I realize we live in a world where people believe their opinions are factual. I am looking for supported facts. My understanding is Bill Frist is the author of the UIGEA. I can name several of the republicans who helped author this "addon".

I know this site leans hard conserative. I am hoping for an constructive discussion of the actual history. Please elaborate, with verified facts, where the UIGEA is not an act of the republican party. Druff has never stated the author of this "addon" Druff should spend some time on the next radio show acknowdleging this factor or atleast going over the fine details of who is responisible

This is a subject we should all be on the same page -- who ever is responsible for the UIGEA is not our ally. It has affected us all.

[Sanlmar]

The autopsy as told by Druff could be a good take. It seems like so long ago.

He has to address the remarkable shift in political and social mores concerning gambling. Casinos and sports wagering cascading through the states.

Think about how same sex relationships, metoo, the economy, etc etc has changed in such a short time.


It’s like the Winston Churchill joke. Madam, we've already established that you’re a whore. Now we are haggling about the price. State by state.


I can hear the John Pappas PPA laugh track now

[Kuntmissioner]

[Dan Druff]

I have heard Druff four or five times on this topic. It is true this passed due to being piggy backed on th the safe harbor (port) act. Everyone of us would have voted in favor of this act. I came to this site because of my interest in poker. I am sure there are some here for other reasons. I am looking to get the record straight. I realize we live in a world where people believe their opinions are factual. I am looking for supported facts. My understanding is Bill Frist is the author of the UIGEA. I can name several of the republicans who helped author this "addon".

I know this site leans hard conserative. I am hoping for an constructive discussion of the actual history. Please elaborate, with verified facts, where the UIGEA is not an act of the republican party. Druff has never stated the author of this "addon" Druff should spend some time on the next radio show acknowdleging this factor or atleast going over the fine details of who is responisible

This is a subject we should all be on the same page -- who ever is responsible for the UIGEA is not our ally. It has affected us all.

The UIGEA itself was the act of a few Republicans who got it inserted into the Safe Ports Act of 2006. That was a last-minute addition which wasn't major enough for anyone to change their minds on the otherwise non-controversial (and important) bill, and nobody was going to take the chance a month before the midterm election to vote against safe ports.

But it's wrong to assume that this is a completely partisan issue. While it's true that Democrats are more friendly toward online gambling than Republicans, neither side cares about it too much, and there's people on both sides of the aisle with dissenting opinions.

In 2008, there was an attempt to kill the UIGEA. However, Democrats Brad Miller, David Scott, Gregory Meeks, and even the very liberal Maxine Waters voted against the bill challenging it. On the flip side, Republicans Kevin McCarthy, Ron Paul, and Peter King voted FOR challenging the UIGEA.

In fact, this bill (HR 5767) was co-sponsored by the Republican Ron Paul and Democrat Barney Frank.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...lenge-to-uigea

And guess who one of the earliest proponents of legalizing online gambling was? One Newt Gingrich.

In 2008, when Obama was elected, many poker players erroneously concluded that this meant the UIGEA would be repealed and perhaps online poker would be legalized. Instead, Obama appointees in the DOJ went after the online poker sites harder than ever, resulting in Black Friday.

That's not to say Obama or Democrats are to blame for Black Friday. They're not. However, this is really an issue which often crosses party lines, and isn't a well defined conservative or liberal position in the US. Many Republicans want to see online gambling legalization left up to the states, for states' rights reasons. Many Democrats want to see it legalized for individual liberties reasons. Many on both sides simply think it's silly to make online gambling illegal, and that adults should be free to spend their own money as they wish.

This is just one of those matters where, even when politics are involved, it's not at all a clear cut left-versus-right matter.

[ftpjesus]

Interesting little tidbit.. The bill itself was introduced by GOP Congressman Jim Leach from Iowa. Hed been a multiterm House member and even ran unopposed one election and generally his seat was considered safe.. However he was the mortal sacrifice over the UIGEA passage.. Inexplicably he was beaten by an unknown Democrat who was a write in Candidate mostly due to a massive amount of funding poured into defeating Leach as he was seen as the architect of the UIGEA bill its being snuck into the Safe Ports Bill.. His apparent whole reason for the bill was typical self righteous hypocritical crap feeling like gambling was a drain on society..These couple statements are very telling as to how this was a fiasco on how it was passed and snuck in almost in similar tactics to how significant parts of the ACA were made into law that never should've been

"Although a bill with the gambling wording was previously debated and passed by the House of Representatives,[7][8][9] the SAFE Port Act (H.R. 4954) as passed by the House on May 4 and the United States Senate on September 14,[10] bore no traces of the Unlawful Internet Gambling and Enforcement Act that was included in the SAFE Port Act signed into law by George W. Bush on October 13, 2006.[11] The UIGEA was added in Conference Report 109-711 (submitted at 9:29pm on September 29, 2006), which was passed by the House of Representatives by a vote of 409–2 and by the Senate by unanimous consent on September 30, 2006. Due to H.RES.1064, the reading of this conference report was waived. " these morons in Congress never bothered to read what was there and the bait and switch that occurred at the last minute..

The meat and potatoes of UIGEA however in fact came from another sneaky SOB from my home state of Virginia Bill Goodlate from SW Virginia.. Bill 4411 which Goodlatte authored known as the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act" was actually the structure for for what was tagged as UIGEA, Though the SAFE Port Act's provisions related to Internet gambling were drawn exclusively from H.R. 4411, significant portions were removed, including text relating to the Federal Wire Act of 1962

[SPIT this]

This should clear things up.

[Cerveza Fria]

I have heard Druff four or five times on this topic. It is true this passed due to being piggy backed on th the safe harbor (port) act. Everyone of us would have voted in favor of this act. I came to this site because of my interest in poker. I am sure there are some here for other reasons. I am looking to get the record straight. I realize we live in a world where people believe their opinions are factual. I am looking for supported facts. My understanding is Bill Frist is the author of the UIGEA. I can name several of the republicans who helped author this "addon".

I know this site leans hard conserative. I am hoping for an constructive discussion of the actual history. Please elaborate, with verified facts, where the UIGEA is not an act of the republican party. Druff has never stated the author of this "addon" Druff should spend some time on the next radio show acknowdleging this factor or atleast going over the fine details of who is responisible

This is a subject we should all be on the same page -- who ever is responsible for the UIGEA is not our ally. It has affected us all.

The UIGEA itself was the act of a few Republicans who got it inserted into the Safe Ports Act of 2006. That was a last-minute addition which wasn't major enough for anyone to change their minds on the otherwise non-controversial (and important) bill, and nobody was going to take the chance a month before the midterm election to vote against safe ports.

But it's wrong to assume that this is a completely partisan issue. While it's true that Democrats are more friendly toward online gambling than Republicans, neither side cares about it too much, and there's people on both sides of the aisle with dissenting opinions.

In 2008, there was an attempt to kill the UIGEA. However, Democrats Brad Miller, David Scott, Gregory Meeks, and even the very liberal Maxine Waters voted against the bill challenging it. On the flip side, Republicans Kevin McCarthy, Ron Paul, and Peter King voted FOR challenging the UIGEA.

In fact, this bill (HR 5767) was co-sponsored by the Republican Ron Paul and Democrat Barney Frank.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...lenge-to-uigea

And guess who one of the earliest proponents of legalizing online gambling was? One Newt Gingrich.

In 2008, when Obama was elected, many poker players erroneously concluded that this meant the UIGEA would be repealed and perhaps online poker would be legalized. Instead, Obama appointees in the DOJ went after the online poker sites harder than ever, resulting in Black Friday.

That's not to say Obama or Democrats are to blame for Black Friday. They're not. However, this is really an issue which often crosses party lines, and isn't a well defined conservative or liberal position in the US. Many Republican want to see online gambling legalization left up to the states, for states' rights reasons. Many Democrats want to see it legalized for individual liberties reasons. Many on both sides simply think it's silly to make online gambling illegal, and that adults should be free to spend their own money as they wish.

This is just one of those matters where, even when politics are involved, it's not at all a clear cut left-versus-right matter.

One thing you left out...Harry Reid’s involvement. He got involved behind the scenes as a payback favor for Sheldon Adelson helping him narrowly win re-election. Adelson got all of his employees to vote and campaign for Reid. Everyone knows Adelson has vigorously campaigned against on-line gambling. Reid related the favor and got Preet Bharara to shut down all of the online poker sites. This is not a conspiracy theory. And it is not a partisan attack on Reid. Here you have a Democrat (Reid) and a staunch Republican (Adelson) working together in a Bipartisan fashion for the bad of the country.

[Dan Druff]

Reid was super corrupt, and would support anything if the bribery was substantial enough.

One thing that is often lost in the Black Friday discussion is the fact that Reid reversed course on his stance on online poker (going from anti to pro) after receiving a $1 million bribe from Full Tilt, via payment processor (and accused career scammer) Jeremy Johnson.

[ftpjesus]

This should clear things up.

Srslysirus stuff was epically awesome and likely allowed slot of folks to keep their sanity and sense of humor when shit all went south after Black Friday. Not gonna lie I miss his musical stuff he put out he was the poker Weird Al. Wonder how his marriage is doing he kinda dropped out after that other then his production stuff he was doing for Vanessa Selbst (😂 that joke never gets old. I mean have we actually seen them at the same poker table anytime in recent history even before her retirement to being a hypocritical snot working for Wall Street a place commonly considered a no go for SJWs)

[ftpjesus]

Reid was super corrupt, and would support anything if the bribery was substantial enough.

One thing that is often lost in the Black Friday discussion is the fact that Reid reversed course on his stance on online poker (going from anti to pro) after receiving a $1 million bribe from Full Tilt, via payment processor (and accused career scammer) Jeremy Johnson.

Hence his nickname was more for his political bribery history and not the character made famous by Eastwood

Dirty Harry Reid.

[big dick]

Reid was super corrupt, and would support anything if the bribery was substantial enough.

One thing that is often lost in the Black Friday discussion is the fact that Reid reversed course on his stance on online poker (going from anti to pro) after receiving a $1 million bribe from Full Tilt, via payment processor (and accused career scammer) Jeremy Johnson.

I was very happy when he got his ass kicked(when he lol fell of his bike)

[Sanlmar]

But it's wrong to assume that this is a completely partisan issue. While it's true that Democrats are more friendly toward online gambling than Republicans, neither side cares about it too much...

Barney Frank hit hard and fast. I always admired the cock sucker. He didn’t give a fuck. He deserves to be remembered fondly.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) had some harsh words for Friday’s government crackdown on the major online poker sites. In an interview with The Hill, Frank called the indictments “an incredible waste of resources.”

Using witty poker lingo, Frank said the feds were “protecting the public from the scourge of inside straights,” and that the government should “go after the people responsible for empty houses, not full houses.” Frank made it clear that he didn’t endorse violating the law, but he thinks law enforcement should be working on other things.

Frank has been a long-time supporter of legalized and regulated internet poker in the United States. In March, Frank, with the help of fellow....

Lol “straights”