The news the MSM ignores because it does not fit the narrative

[donkdowndonedied]

The difference is Israel is seen as our legitimate ally. I don't care about the others as much for largely the reasons you give. It isn't that hard.

In addition, I never said tons of people die in the Israel/Palestianian conflict. It has however been going on for decades through regimes of democracy.

Am I wrong? Is Israel just as shit as the Muslim world? That's your position ?

LOL. Lets be real. You are not some great American patriot that is concerned with the moral integrity of all our "legitimate allies," whatever the fuck that means. Saudia Arabia is our ally too. I am guessing you don't have a strong moral position on their human rights abuses.

You care you Israel, because the white guilt media machine wants you to care about it for their ends, not yours. And you don't care about the other shit going on because they don't want you to.

Maybe there is a lot of shit going on everywhere, and a lot of it is hell of a lot worse than Israel. Like I said, you want to clean up some shit and right some wrongs and make the world a better place you don't need to concern yourself with what is going on to brown people 10,000 miles away. Go to the nearest Indian reservation, hand some brown guy your car and house keys and apologize for the wrongs your people have been committing for 300 years. That is over 4X as long as what has been going on in Israel, if timeline is a big concern for you. Just think about it, the chance to personally right 300 years of wrong. Think of how great and moral that would make you feel.

I don't actually think Saudia Arabia is near the level of being an ally as Israel. For many reasons. Yes, you are very smart bringing up Saudia Arabia and thats why I made the qualifier "legitimate". No, I don't think Saudia Arabia is our ally outside of providing oil for military support. They totally do not share our values. In theory this should not be true with Israel, but apparently Israel is pure shit too and you're another self-loathing jew. OK!

You like to claim you know so much more than others. Somehow, you get your news outside of the media. Therefore it must be valid.

I dislike what is happening into Israel for many of the reasons you claim. It is used as theater and propaganda for many. Israel doesn't give a fuck about us. In theory I suppose we're supposed to share values. I don't believe this to be the case with Sudan etc. Israel is supposed to be some quasi-democracy. (Not sure about how that works really)

You're an idiot about the hand some brown guy keys shit. You've said that 3 times now and it is as stupid now as the first time you said it.

The issues with Israel are happening now. I can't fix what happened to Indians.
NOT THAT HARD YA TARD.

I could go on and on, but you'll repeat your same shit, claiming you somehow know things extramedia. Boots on the ground? I guess your own network of spies? oh nevermind. I don't care to hear your bullshit answer. You know a few things, but in the end you're just as brainwashed as anyone else. Just because people do worse shit in the world DOES NOT EXCUSE everyone else. holy shit.

And yes, I do not like how Saudia Arabia is run. However, I expect nothing better from a shitty culture. You hate jews so much, you say they are no better and should be held no higher. I simply disagree.

[ErickAA]

LOL. Lets be real. You are not some great American patriot that is concerned with the moral integrity of all our "legitimate allies," whatever the fuck that means. Saudia Arabia is our ally too. I am guessing you don't have a strong moral position on their human rights abuses.

You care you Israel, because the white guilt media machine wants you to care about it for their ends, not yours. And you don't care about the other shit going on because they don't want you to.

Maybe there is a lot of shit going on everywhere, and a lot of it is hell of a lot worse than Israel. Like I said, you want to clean up some shit and right some wrongs and make the world a better place you don't need to concern yourself with what is going on to brown people 10,000 miles away. Go to the nearest Indian reservation, hand some brown guy your car and house keys and apologize for the wrongs your people have been committing for 300 years. That is over 4X as long as what has been going on in Israel, if timeline is a big concern for you. Just think about it, the chance to personally right 300 years of wrong. Think of how great and moral that would make you feel.

I don't actually think Saudia Arabia is near the level of being an ally as Israel. For many reasons. Yes, you are very smart bringing up Saudia Arabia and thats why I made the qualifier "legitimate". No, I don't think Saudia Arabia is our ally outside of providing oil for military support. They totally do not share our values. In theory this should not be true with Israel, but apparently Israel is pure shit too and you're another self-loathing jew. OK!

You like to claim you know so much more than others. Somehow, you get your news outside of the media. Therefore it must be valid.

I dislike what is happening into Israel for many of the reasons you claim. It is used as theater and propaganda for many. Israel doesn't give a fuck about us. In theory I suppose we're supposed to share values. I don't believe this to be the case with Sudan etc. Israel is supposed to be some quasi-democracy. (Not sure about how that works really)

You're an idiot about the hand some brown guy keys shit. You've said that 3 times now and it is as stupid now as the first time you said it.

The issues with Israel are happening now. I can't fix what happened to Indians.
NOT THAT HARD YA TARD.

I could go on and on, but you'll repeat your same shit, claiming you somehow know things extramedia. Boots on the ground? I guess your own network of spies? oh nevermind. I don't care to hear your bullshit answer. You know a few things, but in the end you're just as brainwashed as anyone else. Just because people do worse shit in the world DOES NOT EXCUSE everyone else. holy shit.

And yes, I do not like how Saudia Arabia is run. However, I expect nothing better from a shitty culture. You hate jews so much, you say they are no better and should be held no higher. I simply disagree.

The Indian shit is still going on. Got to the nearest Indian reservation, drive past the casino and look around. Most of them are basically 3rd world countries. You pretend the Indian shit is past news because it isn't convenient for you. I am guessing you are not too interested in going to the hood either and giving reparations for all the abuses black people have taken and are still taking for the last 300 years. Not your problem. But you are very outraged cause some refugees 10,000 miles away kicked out some other refugees 70 years ago and built a city, and you have a lot of moral outrage over that. But your not too interested in all the bad shit that has gone on and is still going on right at home because it benefits you. How convenient.

[FPS_Russia]

Let me post some stuff that fits the exact description of this threads title, shocking and treasonous stuff you've never heard before.
Poll: Americans Oppose the ‘Anti-Semitism Awareness Act’: Americans wouldn’t cut funding to universities critical of Israel - 11/29/2017

Of course not, Israel has been the biggest enemy of the US for decades ainec.

Poll: Question: Which expenditure category should Congress cut to make government more responsive to the American people and reduce the budget deficit?

Goy: That's not what the three Jews on TV said.

The Justice Department Refuses to Regulate Israel's Foreign Agents - 11/15/2017


Department of Justice says Americans can’t challenge the legality of U.S. aid to Israel - 11/15/2017
Hey Goy, let your aipac funded rep decide, he know what's best.

CIA claims public disclosure of secret intelligence aid to Israel would harm U.S. "national security" - 11/8/2017

The CIA wants the US District Court for the District of Columbia to dismiss an IRmep lawsuit filed in 2015 that seeks disclosure of top-line budget numbers for secret U.S. intelligence aid to Israel. In a 29-page filing submitted on November 3, the agency argued that even acknowledging such aid exists would be "hindering the national security of the United States."


IRmep estimates that secret U.S. aid funneled through the CIA could be as high as $1.9 billion to $13.2 billion per year. This estimate is derived from President Obama's 2015 statement that American military and intelligence assistance had reached "unprecedented levels." Since U.S. military and other aid since 1948 is publicly known, secret intelligence aid would have to be at least $1.9 billion for it to truly be "unprecedented."

More to come later, at some point you begin to realize a hostile foreign power owns our elected reps, is looting our treasury, stealing hi tech secrets and America's future up behind a few apt complexes in bum fuck palestine and a handful of rock throwers. Nah fuck that.

[tony bagadonuts]

If anyone actually reads FPSs posts and is curious Trudeau is not Muslim. That is a satirical newspaper that published that article. The photos are from some photo op he did with some Muslim group.

I would not be surprised if he publicly denounced Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. There are a lot of Muslims in Canada and their constituency is growing fast due to immigration and higher birthrates. So saying something like that to appease the Muslims would make perfect political sense for him.

I do find it amusing that Muslims are supposedly outraged about the whole Jerusalem thing. Most of these people have not met a Palestinian in their life and either live in or come from countries where Palestinians are not even allowed to go there, much less immigrate. And yet, when it is politically expedient, suddenly the Palestinians are their "brothers in arms" and need to be supported. Total horseshit.

The Muslim people, even more than Westerners, are being completely manipulated by their own media and leaders towards diabolical ends. Most of the problems in the Muslim world come from the failings and corruption of their own leaders, but they are manipulated into supporting these horrible leaders through anti-Israel propaganda. Oldest propaganda trick in the book. Create an external enemy to focus on so you ignore the shortcoming of your own horrible leaders/regimes and support them.

The Palestinian/Israeli conflict is simply a regional conflict about control of local resources. It is not a religious crusade, although minority groups on both sides do see and promote it as such. And like I said before, no Muslim countries have any interest in genuinely helping Palestinian people (if they did, they would be working more towards resettling them and helping build their economy rather than just giving them weapons to keep the conflict going) and very few allow any of them in their country. They are simply a political tool to use for their own PR ends.

Are you Jewish? Palestinians have a lot of valid points and they continually are screwed by settlers/war brought to their homes. Sure Palestinians could do nothing, but that shit is not about to stop. Certain types of jews think they are entitled to the houses/lands of Palestinians due to actual *horseshit* reasons. Standing up for Palestianians in general doesn't seem like horseshit. Israel is a racist state like few others.

But yea, I don't read FPS's posts. I give people a bit of time and read their claims and once they start repeating too much nonsense I tune them out.

Whether you agree or disagree with Verminaards's post, it was well reasoned, cogent, topical and concise.

donkdowndonedied's response is opinionated, verbose, ill-informed, and frankly unimpressive.

DDDD, this was a piss-poor effort. You're better than this so fucking be better. I'm tired of reading weak shit like this on the forum.

[donkdowndonedied]

I don't actually think Saudia Arabia is near the level of being an ally as Israel. For many reasons. Yes, you are very smart bringing up Saudia Arabia and thats why I made the qualifier "legitimate". No, I don't think Saudia Arabia is our ally outside of providing oil for military support. They totally do not share our values. In theory this should not be true with Israel, but apparently Israel is pure shit too and you're another self-loathing jew. OK!

You like to claim you know so much more than others. Somehow, you get your news outside of the media. Therefore it must be valid.

I dislike what is happening into Israel for many of the reasons you claim. It is used as theater and propaganda for many. Israel doesn't give a fuck about us. In theory I suppose we're supposed to share values. I don't believe this to be the case with Sudan etc. Israel is supposed to be some quasi-democracy. (Not sure about how that works really)

You're an idiot about the hand some brown guy keys shit. You've said that 3 times now and it is as stupid now as the first time you said it.

The issues with Israel are happening now. I can't fix what happened to Indians.
NOT THAT HARD YA TARD.

I could go on and on, but you'll repeat your same shit, claiming you somehow know things extramedia. Boots on the ground? I guess your own network of spies? oh nevermind. I don't care to hear your bullshit answer. You know a few things, but in the end you're just as brainwashed as anyone else. Just because people do worse shit in the world DOES NOT EXCUSE everyone else. holy shit.

And yes, I do not like how Saudia Arabia is run. However, I expect nothing better from a shitty culture. You hate jews so much, you say they are no better and should be held no higher. I simply disagree.

The Indian shit is still going on. Got to the nearest Indian reservation, drive past the casino and look around. Most of them are basically 3rd world countries. You pretend the Indian shit is past news because it isn't convenient for you. I am guessing you are not too interested in going to the hood either and giving reparations for all the abuses black people have taken and are still taking for the last 300 years. Not your problem. But you are very outraged cause some refugees 10,000 miles away kicked out some other refugees 70 years ago and built a city, and you have a lot of moral outrage over that. But your not too interested in all the bad shit that has gone on and is still going on right at home because it benefits you. How convenient.

Wow you are stupid. We're not actively doing anything to Indians. These are not vaguely comparable. Yes Indians are poor, but I'm not going off in that rabbit hole.

You're too stupid to understand your own biases, so I am going to drop it after this. We're talking about CURRENT ongoing things. We were talking about what Israel is CURRENTLY doing to Palestianians.

I 100% take back you are smart.

I'm not talking about what happened 70 years ago. I am talking about how Palestianians constantly lose more and more to Israeli settlers. You can't win an argument because you are completely wrong.

Anyway, I'm done.. you are good at repeating things you've been told, but you don't seem to be smart enough to create your own thought. You do a decent job of mimicking the thoughts of others, but ahh well, I've figured out for every gem you might have, you have 10 assinine observations that you've learned independently of the media.

[donkdowndonedied]

Are you Jewish? Palestinians have a lot of valid points and they continually are screwed by settlers/war brought to their homes. Sure Palestinians could do nothing, but that shit is not about to stop. Certain types of jews think they are entitled to the houses/lands of Palestinians due to actual *horseshit* reasons. he up for Palestianians in general doesn't seem like horseshit. Israel is a racist state like few others.

But yea, I don't read FPS's posts. I give people a bit of time and read their claims and once they start repeating too much nonsense I tune them out.

Whether you agree or disagree with Verminaards's post, it was well reasoned, cogent, topical and concise.

donkdowndonedied's response is opinionated, verbose, ill-informed, and frankly unimpressive.

DDDD, this was a piss-poor effort. You're better than this so fucking be better. I'm tired of reading weak shit like this on the forum.

lmao, why take time with a retard who can't answre basic questions and follow a line of thought.

basically all he says is no one (except 'tard) can know the truth, because they partake of the [drumroll] MEDIA !!! Yet he NEVER addresses how he knows a damn thing! it is comical.

Take you for instance, you don't even know what the word concise means. Shrug. What am I gonna do?

I only know logic truth. You can label stuff as horseshit and ignore questions, but that doesn't make it "Well reasoned" "cogent" or "concise".

[FPS_Russia]

I can't get excited about either party.
Here's our options.
Democrat: Fleeced by the corps. and B'aires, flooded with and cucked by third world immigrants. Absolutely raped by Israel and the banks via the def/pentagon budget.

Republican: Absolutely raped by the corps and billionaires, slightly less third world immigrants. Absolutely raped by Israel and the banks via the def./pentagon budget.
Everything else is pretty much political theater, A CONTROVERSY A DAY KEEPS THE GOYIM AT BAY

We have to break this Jewish monopoly on information.
MSM: Doug jones won, see the Goy love being flooded with third world immigrants.
Anyhow moving on

Traitor Martin Schulz, one of the founding fathers of flooding EU w non white immigration.

>The head of Germany's (((Social Democrats))), Martin Schulz, a potential future governing partner of Chancellor Angela Merkel, called Thursday for the creation of a "United States of Europe" by 2025. Schulz delivered a passionate plea for a more united and federal Europe at an SPD party congress that was due to decide whether his centre-left party will enter exploratory talks to form a new coalition government with Merkel.

I confirmed that quote in Haaretz.

Last but not least
.Congressmen Pressed Obama To Pardon Spy Lawrence Franklin
Claimed pardoning spy for Israel in the "best interest of U.S."

by Grant Smith Posted on November 27, 2017
On December 14, 2016 two California congressmen, Republican Dana Rohrabacher and Democrat Juan Vargas, secretly pressed President Obama to pardon convicted spy Lawrence Franklin.

Colonel Franklin, an employee at the Department of Defense, pled guilty to charges of espionage for passing classified information to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) as well as directly to Israeli officials. At the time, Franklin, two indicted AIPAC officials, the Israeli government and other Israel lobby figures were waging an intense battle to sabotage warming US relations with Iran.

AIPAC’s Steve Rosen was picked up on an FBI wiretap transmitting classified information to Washington Post reporter Glenn Kessler in 2004 that Iran was engaged in "total war" against the United States. The spy ring’s attempts to pivot US military forces engaged in Iraq toward Iran failed. In August of 2005, Franklin and two AIPAC officials, Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, were indicted for espionage.

Pretrial deliberations about AIPAC’s executives, who did not hold security clearances like Franklin, focused on whether they were in a "state of mind" in which they believed their conduct was unlawful. The newly seated Obama administration pressed the Justice Department to drop the case against Rosen and Weissman, which it did on May 1 of 2009. Franklin was sentenced to 13 years in prison, later reduced to ten months of house arrest.

http://original.antiwar.com/smith-gr...ence-franklin/
RT is registered under FARA but not AIPAC, HMMM.
Hey Goy, don't be Anti Semitic, just shut up and pay for our racist, Jewish ethno state.

[ErickAA]

I have been pondering why everyone is so bent out of shape by the Israel conflict, despite it not being a big deal in the grand scheme of things. There are much worse conflicts going on, and most countries are involved in human rights abuse issues just as bad currently or in the recent past, and nobody really gives a fuxk. Yet the whole Israel thing really bends people out of shape. They can’t take it. No one gives a fuxk about Syria or Yemen or N Korea (before we got a crazy president who might start a war with them) but everyone has an opinion on Israel.

My hypothesis is that the main crux of the issue is that the idea of Jews as being a military power goes so against stereotype it feels very unnatural and makes us uneasy and creates a very visceral response that something is very wrong.

We are for the most part ok with Jews cultivating power behind the scenes as lawyers, bankers and media. We expect that. But after being the cucks (militarily) of the world for the past 2000+ Year’s, both the Christian and Islamic world cant wrap their minds around the Jews turning the tables and making the Islamic world their bitch. It is absolutely enraging and emasculating for the Islamic world, and it makes the Christian world uneasy too. It is just too unnatural.

[JimmyG_415]

Are you Jewish? Palestinians have a lot of valid points and they continually are screwed by settlers/war brought to their homes. Sure Palestinians could do nothing, but that shit is not about to stop. Certain types of jews think they are entitled to the houses/lands of Palestinians due to actual *horseshit* reasons. Standing up for Palestianians in general doesn't seem like horseshit. Israel is a racist state like few others.

But yea, I don't read FPS's posts. I give people a bit of time and read their claims and once they start repeating too much nonsense I tune them out.

Whether you agree or disagree with Verminaards's post, it was well reasoned, cogent, topical and concise.

donkdowndonedied's response is opinionated, verbose, ill-informed, and frankly unimpressive.

DDDD, this was a piss-poor effort. You're better than this so fucking be better. I'm tired of reading weak shit like this on the forum.

Sean Hannity viewer alert.


This whole thread is opinionated, the 1st post said the "MSM" (AKA the real news) didn't cover this serial killer.
I DVR NBC and ABC every night, and both of them not only covered it, but was a top story, so how exactly is that "well reasoned, cogent, topical and concise"?

Topical maybe, only because Trump, (the biggest liar anyone has ever met), calls any story he doesn't like, fake news.

[The_Lurker]

I am just sad that Tony turned to the dark side.

[FPS_Russia]

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Decent chance Israel's going to try to get the US into a nuclear war w/ Russia and/or China when they're done "sucking our milk". I'm guessing they have assets in place right now to pull it off but we're still producing plenty of milk.
In honor of all the headlines claiming black voters saved us from Roy Moore, a literal nothing burger.
Think progress headline

Black Alabamians discuss their decisive role in Doug Jones’ victory
"That's the power of the sister vote."

I present the white victim of black crime series that the MSM ignored. There's an endless supply of these infographics, they're shocking and you've never heard of them.

[donkdowndonedied]

I have been pondering why everyone is so bent out of shape by the Israel conflict, despite it not being a big deal in the grand scheme of things. There are much worse conflicts going on, and most countries are involved in human rights abuse issues just as bad currently or in the recent past, and nobody really gives a fuxk. Yet the whole Israel thing really bends people out of shape. They can’t take it. No one gives a fuxk about Syria or Yemen or N Korea (before we got a crazy president who might start a war with them) but everyone has an opinion on Israel.

My hypothesis is that the main crux of the issue is that the idea of Jews as being a military power goes so against stereotype it feels very unnatural and makes us uneasy and creates a very visceral response that something is very wrong.

We are for the most part ok with Jews cultivating power behind the scenes as lawyers, bankers and media. We expect that. But after being the cucks (militarily) of the world for the past 2000+ Year’s, both the Christian and Islamic world cant wrap their minds around the Jews turning the tables and making the Islamic world their bitch. It is absolutely enraging and emasculating for the Islamic world, and it makes the Christian world uneasy too. It is just too unnatural.

Nope. All your overwhelming biases make you skip the most obvious answer.

We give Israel a lot of foreign aid. They are constantly fighting the Palestinians which is used as propaganda against the US. From those few sentences you should be able to gather enough to answer your question.

And hoooly shit you get out there with the pop psych bullshit.

[FPS_Russia]

I was watching a Pierce/ Mike Wallace interview and mike Wallace mentions that the Turner Diaries were published by a Jewish publisher. At that point it became clear that Jews want division between whites and the other races. So I'm no longer going to be as divisive, the Jews think other races of people aren't capable of figuring out who's really fucking them, I disagree.

Verimaard fyi i started a thread on bias in coverage of black on white crime. It was before i had any idea there was a Jewish conspiracy underway and pretty much everyone agreed. Even Druff said there was def a bias in the MSM coverage with the caveat that he didn't know why.

The vid. below in not to offensive.
Recco'd, I'd say mandatory for all Americans, not only will you swear that Dr Pierce gave this speech last week. It'll break your heart when you realize how long the Palestinians have been crying out.

Please, tell the world what's happening to us

and how long the MSM has kept that message from reaching you.

How could the supposed victims of the holocaust ruthlessly perpetrate this crime for so long.

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[tony bagadonuts]

Whether you agree or disagree with Verminaards's post, it was well reasoned, cogent, topical and concise.

donkdowndonedied's response is opinionated, verbose, ill-informed, and frankly unimpressive.

DDDD, this was a piss-poor effort. You're better than this so fucking be better. I'm tired of reading weak shit like this on the forum.

lmao, why take time with a retard who can't answre basic questions and follow a line of thought.

basically all he says is no one (except 'tard) can know the truth, because they partake of the [drumroll] MEDIA !!! Yet he NEVER addresses how he knows a damn thing! it is comical.

Take you for instance, you don't even know what the word concise means. Shrug. What am I gonna do?

I only know logic truth. You can label stuff as horseshit and ignore questions, but that doesn't make it "Well reasoned" "cogent" or "concise".

To be honest I was in a shitty mood the other night and took some of it out on you. I realize that this is a long running back and forth between you two and probably shouldn't have made such a harsh judgement based on one convo.

[ErickAA]

lmao, why take time with a retard who can't answre basic questions and follow a line of thought.

basically all he says is no one (except 'tard) can know the truth, because they partake of the [drumroll] MEDIA !!! Yet he NEVER addresses how he knows a damn thing! it is comical.

Take you for instance, you don't even know what the word concise means. Shrug. What am I gonna do?

I only know logic truth. You can label stuff as horseshit and ignore questions, but that doesn't make it "Well reasoned" "cogent" or "concise".

To be honest I was in a shitty mood the other night and took some of it out on you. I realize that this is a long running back and forth between you two and probably shouldn't have made such a harsh judgement based on one convo.

Wasn't really that much back and forth. I first said something I guess he agreed with, because he complimented me. Then I said something else he didn't agree with and he started insulting me. That is pretty much it.

[tony bagadonuts]

I am just sad that Tony turned to the dark side.
Kuntmissioner: TBD came out a long time

[donkdowndonedied]

To be honest I was in a shitty mood the other night and took some of it out on you. I realize that this is a long running back and forth between you two and probably shouldn't have made such a harsh judgement based on one convo.

Wasn't really that much back and forth. I first said something I guess he agreed with, because he complimented me. Then I said something else he didn't agree with and he started insulting me. That is pretty much it.

Fair assessment. You probably have some interesting things to teach us, but it is mixed in with a bunch of stuff I consider garbage.

Reiterating. Reasons why people dislike the Israeli thing.

1) Contrary to what you believe, most Americans probably do share more with Jews culturally. They're a first world country. Judeo-Christian. This means we as a nation should expect more of them. Why complain about places like Sudan etc which I can't conceivably understand affecting. How would that work?

2) It is not *my* concern to protect Israel. I don't give a fuck. We give them far more per capita in AID than most countries, when their GDP per capita is reasonable. Why? We give them 3-4x as much as the other countries and they're not even a poor country. If they want to do what they're doing then get off my government's tit. Then I will look to stop complaining.

3) Given how close we are allied with Israel all their poor reflection blows back on the US's interests.

No other western/first world country is still actively booting people out of their property and settling lands. Am I wrong? The rest of the world has moved past this stage. At least first world countries (with exception if Israel)

Verminaard disagrees and as best as I can see, what Israel does is OK because other places are just as bad. He is basically saying "Israel and Israeli jews are just as shitty as Syria/Saudia Arabia" - Verm basically justifies anti-semitism with this line of thought. Not sure I agree, but shrug, he ducked out of the convo when I took his views to their basic logical conclusion.

[ErickAA]

Wasn't really that much back and forth. I first said something I guess he agreed with, because he complimented me. Then I said something else he didn't agree with and he started insulting me. That is pretty much it.

Fair assessment. You probably have some interesting things to teach us, but it is mixed in with a bunch of stuff I consider garbage.

Reiterating. Reasons why people dislike the Israeli thing.

1) Contrary to what you believe, most Americans probably do share more with Jews culturally. They're a first world country. Judeo-Christian. This means we as a nation should expect more of them. Why complain about places like Sudan etc which I can't conceivably understand affecting. How would that work?

2) It is not *my* concern to protect Israel. I don't give a fuck. We give them far more per capita in AID than most countries, when their GDP per capita is reasonable. Why? We give them 3-4x as much as the other countries and they're not even a poor country. If they want to do what they're doing then get off my government's tit. Then I will look to stop complaining.

3) Given how close we are allied with Israel all their poor reflection blows back on the US's interests.

No other western/first world country is still actively booting people out of their property and settling lands. Am I wrong? The rest of the world has moved past this stage. At least first world countries (with exception if Israel)

Verminaard disagrees and as best as I can see, what Israel does is OK because other places are just as bad. He is basically saying "Israel and Israeli jews are just as shitty as Syria/Saudia Arabia" - Verm basically justifies anti-semitism with this line of thought. Not sure I agree, but shrug, he ducked out of the convo when I took his views to their basic logical conclusion.

I am not even arguing it is ok. I am arguing the rest of the world (not just the US) is disproportionately freaking out because there are Jews involved, and I am postulating this is because Israel's actions go so against our perception of Jews that it freaks us out.

Anyways, something else that I don't think gets enough attention, is that most of the people in Israel are refugees or descendants of refugees who survived the worst genocide in human history. Given this, their mindset is not to give an inch to anyone, which is reasonable. Most of the countries being the most critical of Israel were the ones who were either actively trying to exterminate Jews or were passively allowing it to happen not too long ago, so Israelis aren't really too interested in what these countries think about their morality.

Maybe I just have lower standards and expectations for the Israeli Jews than you do, maybe I think they are just normal human beings and not some super race, but I don't find Israel's actions that surprising given historical circumstance and current geopolitics. You view Israel as a typical secure first world nation, but I feel this is not an accurate representation. It is a nation of desperate refugees that have had to fight for their existence from the second the country started, that does not feel secure at all, and don't really trust most of their "allies," because most of these "allies" were literally trying to exterminate them not too long ago and couldn't help the Jews pack fast enough when they heard Israel was promoting European Jewish refugees. Right or wrong, that is their mindset.

If anything, given their historical circumstance and current geopolitics I find Israel's constraint surprising. Also, I think you have a misconception of what US aid to Israel is. It is basically a bribe to not fight very hard and inflict the damage that it could to their enemies. Maybe things would have been better off if this had never happened and the US had allowed things to happen more organically. There would have been a lot more death and destruction in the short term, but things would have been resolved one way or the other and we wouldn't have this stalemate with no end in sight we have now where the stakes are so much higher cause the weaponry is so much more advanced and deadly.

[ErickAA]

There probably shouldn't be a nation of mostly European Jewish refugees in today's Middle East. But there is. Blame British Imperialism if you want, but it happened. Europeans wiped out most of their Jews, and didn't know what to do with the survivors, and some Zionists came along and gave the an easy route out of it, and they took it, and shipped their Jews off, and here we are.

And today they are fighting a very hostile enemy for control of a very small amount of lands, and no-one is offering them any right of return and they wouldn't want to if they could. Given these realities, Israel's actions are not too surprising or outrageous at all. If you think they are, then you just don't have a very good understanding of their psychology as a nation.

At the individual or societal level, most peoples actions are rationale and moral from their perspective, and if you find they aren't from your perspective, it probably means your perspective is very different than theirs.

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Trump and Kushner should be impeached soon.

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Major league fork in the road for the future of our country

We're either a democracy or our great country becomes a dictatorship at the hands of an orange haired reality tv conman and his fem son in law and the treasonous GOP.

Nikki Haley is seriously trying to get us into war w Iran. What is that, a hot water tank? OTOH there's Israel with its 400 nukes, save it

The CDC and HHS are banning words wtf.
Impeach these fucking traitors now.