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    New documentary questions role of casinos in Las Vegas shooting

    https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/new-do...hooters-motive

    MGM Resorts played games with high rollers like Stephen Paddock — and his anger at the casino giant may have driven him to commit modern America’s deadliest mass shooting, a new documentary suggests.

    The film, “Money Machine,” aims to offer new clues about why Paddock fired indiscriminately into a crowd of thousands in October 2017, killing 58 and injuring hundreds — a question local and federal investigators struggled to answer.

    Drawing on interviews with people who knew the gunman, filmmaker Ramsey Denison posits that Paddock was angry at MGM for promising perks it didn’t deliver — so he wanted to leave the company a bloody mess to clean up.

    “They had to make it look like this was just some random act by a guy and that it had nothing to do with the casinos, and that’s just simply not true,” Denison told The Post.

    “He did it the way he did it to leave MGM liable,” he added.


    The movie, which opens online Friday, is Denison’s follow-up to “What Happened in Vegas,” his 2017 directorial debut focusing on police brutality and corruption in Vegas. “Money Machine” paints Sin City’s powers that be as quick to sweep the shooting under the rug through interviews with survivors and investigators, while MGM and public officials are heard from through their past statements and appearances.

    It contradicts the findings of the FBI, whose probe of the attack unearthed “no single or clear motivating factor” behind it. Investigators also found nothing to indicate Paddock was driven by a “grievance” against MGM’s Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino — where he committed the massacre — or any other Vegas institution.

    But Paddock’s brother, Eric Paddock, recalled him growing irate at Mandalay Bay for reneging on perks. For instance, he says, the casino would triple the “points” given to other gamblers during certain hours but tell Paddock he couldn’t take advantage of the promotion.

    “When they broke the deal, he was pissed,” Eric Paddock says in the film. “The deal’s a deal.”

    This sort of tactic was common at Mandalay Bay and MGM, according to former bellhop Andy Martinez, who remembers Paddock as a sometimes moody “man of very few words.”

    When high rollers suffered a big loss, Martinez alleges, Mandalay Bay would lure them back with complimentary perks like a weekend hotel stay — only to tell them the room was unavailable and charge $500 for an upgrade.

    “I saw it continuously — thinking everything’s gonna be comped and when they get there, nothing is comped,” Martinez says in the film. “This deceptive practice comes from the very top.”


    In a statement, MGM Resorts General Counsel John McManus rejected the idea that Paddock targeted the company, noting that he scouted other locations for the massacre and was a “lifetime winner” at Mandalay Bay.

    “We also hoped law enforcement could have found evidence to determine a motive as it is almost too painful to believe that one man caused this carnage just because he could,” McManus told The Post. “We regret that the efforts of these individuals to have their 15 minutes of fame may cause the survivors and families of those lost additional pain.”

    McManus also denied Martinez’s accusation that it asked customers to pay for things it had promised for free. The company has asked the Nevada Gaming Control Board to investigate the alleged practice, he said.

    “Money Machine” is available to stream starting Friday from Theatrical-At-Home, a streaming platform launched by production company Joma Films.
    Fuck MGM resorts, they and other casinos pull this shit all the time.


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    Documentary sounds like bullshit, and this is coming from a guy who thinks a lot was covered up about this mass shooting.

    Among my problems with the conclusions being raised in it (according to the description posted above):

    1) Paddock had scouted other locations to commit mass shootings, including one in Chicago, and including the Life is Beautiful festival in Vegas, where his planned hotel stay didn't involve a casino. He backed out of both for different reasons, and ultimately chose Mandalay Bay.

    2) Eric Paddock always came off as a weirdo in the interviews I've seen with him, so his word really means nothing..

    3) LOL @ interviewing a bellhop about casino patrons getting screwed by MGM. I believe that the bellhop witnessed a variety of things which are very commonplace among disgruntled gamblers at major casinos, including gamblers misunderstanding their casino offer/promo, gamblers feeling more entitled to comps and perks than they really should be, idiotic casino employees misunderstanding offers either at the time they were made or when the gambler gets there, and general bureaucratic incompetence. I've witnessed all four in my time staying at casino hotels (and responding to offers given to me).

    Suffice to say this wasn't Paddock trying to get back at MGM. It is possible that he shot off all of his money at video poker and was resentful, and wanted to hurt randoms as a result. But this wasn't aimed at MGM. (Why did we never get a clear picture of his finances?)

    Furthermore, Paddock was generally just an asshole. He was routinely seen being degrading to his girlfriend in public, and he tried to sue the Cosmo after what seemed to be a simple trip-and-fall situation. I've tripped and fell in casinos before. Wasn't their fault, so I didn't consider suing anyone. I once had a huge gash on my hand created from a Rio employee opening up a bathroom door too quickly as I was about to walk out. I didn't report anything because it was a freak accident and I didn't want the poor guy losing his job. I fell and broke 3 ribs in Caesars. I didn't sue them because it happened due to my own illness where I fainted. Paddock, on the other hand, tripped and decided to exploit the situation.

    Basically the guy was a jerk before any of this happened, and then he flipped out for whatever reason and decided to kill as many people as possible.

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    Steven Paddock didn't randomly target Mandalay Bay, he deliberately targeted Mandalay Bay (MGM Resorts)

    Just because Paddock tried to book rooms at the Life is Beautiful concert doesn't mean shit.

    Casinos break promises all the time.
    You thought you had a comped room, free food, etc. but at checkout they decide to bill you for everything because you didn't lose enough money. There are plenty of cases where casinos have fucked over players on comps. This is a very good motive that police didn't want to focus on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    Steven Paddock didn't randomly target Mandalay Bay, he deliberately targeted Mandalay Bay (MGM Resorts)

    Just because Paddock tried to book rooms at the Life is Beautiful concert doesn't mean shit.

    Casinos break promises all the time.
    You thought you had a comped room, free food, etc. but at checkout they decide to bill you for everything because you didn't lose enough money. There are plenty of cases where casinos have fucked over players on comps. This is a very good motive that police didn't want to focus on.

    Why was he trying to book rooms with a direct view of Life Is Beautiful if this was supposed to be a fuck you to MGM?

    Regarding casinos, yes, they break promises and are often incompetent. I talk about that all the time. However, many gamblers are also delusional regarding what comps they think they're entitled to.

    In general, it's never good to charge large amounts back to your room and assume you'll be comped on the back end, unless you know from past history that it very likely will. Otherwise you may get a nasty surprise at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    Steven Paddock didn't randomly target Mandalay Bay, he deliberately targeted Mandalay Bay (MGM Resorts)

    Just because Paddock tried to book rooms at the Life is Beautiful concert doesn't mean shit.

    Casinos break promises all the time.
    You thought you had a comped room, free food, etc. but at checkout they decide to bill you for everything because you didn't lose enough money. There are plenty of cases where casinos have fucked over players on comps. This is a very good motive that police didn't want to focus on.

    Why was he trying to book rooms with a direct view of Life Is Beautiful if this was supposed to be a fuck you to MGM?

    Regarding casinos, yes, they break promises and are often incompetent. I talk about that all the time. However, many gamblers are also delusional regarding what comps they think they're entitled to.

    In general, it's never good to charge large amounts back to your room and assume you'll be comped on the back end, unless you know from past history that it very likely will. Otherwise you may get a nasty surprise at the end.
    Because it’s easier to make MGM liable for greater damages from liability lawsuits leveled against MGM if the shooter has a direct view of more potential victims. And Life Beautiful probably had the greatest number of potential victims within the timeframe that Paddock wanted to go out in a gunfire blaze of delusional glory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    Steven Paddock didn't randomly target Mandalay Bay, he deliberately targeted Mandalay Bay (MGM Resorts)

    Just because Paddock tried to book rooms at the Life is Beautiful concert doesn't mean shit.

    Casinos break promises all the time.
    You thought you had a comped room, free food, etc. but at checkout they decide to bill you for everything because you didn't lose enough money. There are plenty of cases where casinos have fucked over players on comps. This is a very good motive that police didn't want to focus on.

    Why was he trying to book rooms with a direct view of Life Is Beautiful if this was supposed to be a fuck you to MGM?

    Regarding casinos, yes, they break promises and are often incompetent. I talk about that all the time. However, many gamblers are also delusional regarding what comps they think they're entitled to.

    In general, it's never good to charge large amounts back to your room and assume you'll be comped on the back end, unless you know from past history that it very likely will. Otherwise you may get a nasty surprise at the end.
    I only take offers made in writing, such as by e-mail.

    Whether it’s incompetence or because they think people won’t notice, MGM’s computer system is set up to screw people out of comps. I got an offer for some free nights at Aria and it came with free play and $150 F&B credit. The first food I happened to charge to my room was a $7 slice of pizza from the pizza place near the sports book. Then when I went to check out (never use automated check out, always inspect your bill first), only the $7 was comped and $143 unused. The desk told me that’s the way their computer does it, the first thing you charge is taken off. So obv I demanded another $143 worth of F&B be taken off and she did it right away. How many people check out and accept the charges without noticing? LMAO

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    I think two things triggered this:

    1) Suffered massive losses at the slots and it became overwhelming

    2) Mental illness due to years of playing slots/video poker. It is just not a natural lifestyle to sit in front of a slot machine every day. There were stories he went into places absolutely hammered, such as getting a haircut, so he had severe addiction issues beyond just gambling

    My guess is he just lost his mind after going on a prolonged losing streak. There have been no stories of anyone trying to claim his assets, so my guess is we was completely broke and likely riddled with credit card debt.

     
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    So seriously... was there ever any clarification regarding what his finances truly were?

    Why was that such a big secret? Why is nobody prominent demanding answers to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    So seriously... was there ever any clarification regarding what his finances truly were?

    Why was that such a big secret? Why is nobody prominent demanding answers to this?
    because it was US stealth helicopters shooting from the sky

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