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    A few players on 2+2 are claiming that large Ignition bitcoin cashouts are vanishing

    Disturbing story, and I think I believe it.

    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...loyee-1687276/

    A guy made a new account on 2+2 named "ignitionBitcoin" and claimed his $9500 cashout simply vanished. When he checked into it, he found that the cashout WAS processed, but to a completely different bitcoin address (not his) than he had submitted!

    Further investigation into the matter showed that the bitcoin address where it did go was cleared out immediately after the bitcoin was received -- by a series of very small transactions.

    Ignition verified that there was never a cancellation of his original withdrawal. So there was not a situation of someone hacking his Ignition account, cancelling it, and withdrawing to their own BTC address.

    Furthermore, he checked his blockchain.info account, and the address where it was sent was not close to any BTC addresses he had ever generated.

    It is almost certain that, if this story is to be believed, either the payment processor or a rogue Ignition employee changed the BTC address where the money was supposed to go.

    Ignition will not re-send the $9500, insisting that their system shows he submitted the same address that the processor paid. This would lead one to believe that it's more likely a rogue employee than the processor, but it also might mean that Ignition simply doesn't want to admit that their processor is doing this.

    I was a bit skeptical that a dupe/fake account was reporting this, despite claiming to be a regular mid-stakes player, but then others showed up and echoed that they were either victims of this, or had close friends who were. You can read the above thread (it's not very long) for more info.

    Now I'm scared to make any withdrawal in BTC on Ignition/Bovada, and you should be, too.

    When you make these withdrawals, you do NOT get any confirmation -- either on screen or by e-mail -- stating which address the cashout will be sent. That's a huge flaw.

    One idea I had was to do it by phone. Bovada/Ignition records all of their calls, and presumably you could pressure them to check the call (and even record it yourself on your end) if they pull the switcheroo on the address. You could also ask at the end of the call for them to e-mail you a more detailed confirmation (not sure if they would be willing). But I think that's what I might try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Disturbing story, and I think I believe it.

    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...loyee-1687276/

    A guy made a new account on 2+2 named "ignitionBitcoin" and claimed his $9500 cashout simply vanished. When he checked into it, he found that the cashout WAS processed, but to a completely different bitcoin address (not his) than he had submitted!

    Further investigation into the matter showed that the bitcoin address where it did go was cleared out immediately after the bitcoin was received -- by a series of very small transactions.

    Ignition verified that there was never a cancellation of his original withdrawal. So there was not a situation of someone hacking his Ignition account, cancelling it, and withdrawing to their own BTC address.

    Furthermore, he checked his blockchain.info account, and the address where it was sent was not close to any BTC addresses he had ever generated.

    It is almost certain that, if this story is to be believed, either the payment processor or a rogue Ignition employee changed the BTC address where the money was supposed to go.

    Ignition will not re-send the $9500, insisting that their system shows he submitted the same address that the processor paid. This would lead one to believe that it's more likely a rogue employee than the processor, but it also might mean that Ignition simply doesn't want to admit that their processor is doing this.

    I was a bit skeptical that a dupe/fake account was reporting this, despite claiming to be a regular mid-stakes player, but then others showed up and echoed that they were either victims of this, or had close friends who were. You can read the above thread (it's not very long) for more info.

    Now I'm scared to make any withdrawal in BTC on Ignition/Bovada, and you should be, too.

    When you make these withdrawals, you do NOT get any confirmation -- either on screen or by e-mail -- stating which address the cashout will be sent. That's a huge flaw.

    One idea I had was to do it by phone. Bovada/Ignition records all of their calls, and presumably you could pressure them to check the call (and even record it yourself on your end) if they pull the switcheroo on the address. You could also ask at the end of the call for them to e-mail you a more detailed confirmation (not sure if they would be willing). But I think that's what I might try.
    oh boy. what a nightmare. the problem with the call idea is reading the BTC address to them. what about taking pictures with your phone of the withdrawal screen?

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    I haven't done a bovada withdrawal in a while, but the last time I did, I had to call after my withdrawal request sat there too long. The guy processed the request while I was on the phone and I don't think he used a processor, he just sent the BTC while I was on the phone with him.

    I just read the 2p2 thread, it seems to have happened to a few people. my ? is, one guy was saying that doing a btw transaction of any kind over $3,000 is too risky, any idea what he is talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charham View Post
    I haven't done a bovada withdrawal in a while, but the last time I did, I had to call after my withdrawal request sat there too long. The guy processed the request while I was on the phone and I don't think he used a processor, he just sent the BTC while I was on the phone with him.

    I just read the 2p2 thread, it seems to have happened to a few people. my ? is, one guy was saying that doing a btw transaction of any kind over $3,000 is too risky, any idea what he is talking about?
    Your experience happened to me in 2016.

    I made a Bovada withdrawal and it sat for several days. I thought maybe they were just backed up, but then I saw on 2p2 that people were making BTC withdrawals and getting them in 1-2 days at the time. So I knew some BS was going on.

    I called up and complained about this. At first I got the usual BS runaround. The rep kept telling me to be patient, that they'll send an inquiry but I'd have to wait another 48 hours for an answer, etc. I kept pressing, and then was told to hold while "the payouts team" was contacted by the rep. I sat on hold for 15 minutes. Then the rep told me, "Check it again, the payouts team said the bitcoin was sent earlier today. Maybe you have it by now."

    Sure enough, it was there, and had arrived while I was on hold.

    They were full of shit. They sent it while I was on the phone. I'm guessing they sent it right away, told the rep to leave me on hold for 15 minutes (bitcoin transactions processed faster back then), and then to tell me to check on it, pretending like it was sent before my phone call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charham View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Disturbing story, and I think I believe it.

    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...loyee-1687276/

    A guy made a new account on 2+2 named "ignitionBitcoin" and claimed his $9500 cashout simply vanished. When he checked into it, he found that the cashout WAS processed, but to a completely different bitcoin address (not his) than he had submitted!

    Further investigation into the matter showed that the bitcoin address where it did go was cleared out immediately after the bitcoin was received -- by a series of very small transactions.

    Ignition verified that there was never a cancellation of his original withdrawal. So there was not a situation of someone hacking his Ignition account, cancelling it, and withdrawing to their own BTC address.

    Furthermore, he checked his blockchain.info account, and the address where it was sent was not close to any BTC addresses he had ever generated.

    It is almost certain that, if this story is to be believed, either the payment processor or a rogue Ignition employee changed the BTC address where the money was supposed to go.

    Ignition will not re-send the $9500, insisting that their system shows he submitted the same address that the processor paid. This would lead one to believe that it's more likely a rogue employee than the processor, but it also might mean that Ignition simply doesn't want to admit that their processor is doing this.

    I was a bit skeptical that a dupe/fake account was reporting this, despite claiming to be a regular mid-stakes player, but then others showed up and echoed that they were either victims of this, or had close friends who were. You can read the above thread (it's not very long) for more info.

    Now I'm scared to make any withdrawal in BTC on Ignition/Bovada, and you should be, too.

    When you make these withdrawals, you do NOT get any confirmation -- either on screen or by e-mail -- stating which address the cashout will be sent. That's a huge flaw.

    One idea I had was to do it by phone. Bovada/Ignition records all of their calls, and presumably you could pressure them to check the call (and even record it yourself on your end) if they pull the switcheroo on the address. You could also ask at the end of the call for them to e-mail you a more detailed confirmation (not sure if they would be willing). But I think that's what I might try.
    oh boy. what a nightmare. the problem with the call idea is reading the BTC address to them. what about taking pictures with your phone of the withdrawal screen?
    Reading the BTC address to them will take a little time, but how long could it take to read and verify? Like at most 2 minutes?

    The screen shot is useless because you can only screenshot what you are submitting, but not after it's been submitted. So they can just claim you erased the address and then typed something else in after you took the pic.

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    Don't understand bthis thread..

    Global pays in 24hours with no fees..hmm????

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    informer1 from 2+2 PM'd me there, and told me his story.

    It's a different story. In his case, someone just accessed his account, spammed him with tons of e-mails, and made a withdrawal to a BTC address. (The spam was so he wouldn't see the withdrawal e-mail.)

    One of John Mehaffey's friends also experienced something similar.

    That sort of thing actually sounds less like a shady Bovada employee, and more like a good ol' fashioned password hacking through a keylogger or whatever.

    I am in contact with informer1, and will find out more shortly.

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    John's friend is also a good buddy of mine and when he tried explaining what happened on Calvin Ayre's personal Facebook account, his comment was deleted minutes after it was posted.

    He then tried re-posting it on other stories Ayre would post (who knows if this is ACTUALLY Calvin controlling the account) and those, I believe, were either deleted or flat out ignored as well.

    I know Calvin Ayre supposedly doesn't have any controlling interest in the empire he created and is living the good life in the Caribbean, but it's definitely a shitty situation that looked even worse when my friend simply wanted an explanation on how something like this could happen - and subsequently got a big FUCK YOU instead.

    Surely, two-factor authentication could go a long way in situations like this one and the eerily similar stories that have now been told by posters at 2+2.

    Seems stupid that someone could get access to an account, cancel a withdrawal and simply put in a new BTC address and steal someone's funds outright like this.

    Regardless of the clever email spam that helped cover up Bodog's cancellation confirmation email, you would think better protocols would be in place once a new withdrawal was initiated via the same method, albeit it to a completely different wallet address.

    I would imagine security would maybe at least flag that type of activity and freeze the account or something?

    Anyways, looking forward to hearing more about this and if Bodog will do anything about it or if it'll simply get swept under the rug...my money is probably on the latter.
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