*** OFFICIAL *** Druff playing $100/$200 limit holdem on Stones Live Poker stream 9/18/2017 7pm PDT Thread

[The_Lurker]

I actually don't know the food situation there.

If it's free, yes, there will be plates ordered.

TID

[Crowe Diddly]

obligatory re-post

[Dan Druff]

I have been told that food isn't free there, but that I might be able to get like a $20 comp from Stones to order something.

So I won't be breaking the food record, in all likelihood.

I have also learned that there are some skeptics regarding my ability to win in this game (which, honestly, I don't understand, since I have been a LHE winner at similar stakes for a long time.)

But my results have always been lineup dependent, much more than other LHE pros. Interestingly, I was often the top winner in both amount won and in BB/100 in limit holdem against the bad players. That is, I won more against the fish in the games than anyone else, and also beat the fish at a higher rate per hand. This was true on both Stars and Bodog/Bovada.

Where my results weren't nearly as good was against the top pros. I tended to lose against the good players, even ones who I otherwise beat in both money won and BB/100.

So if you put me in a game with relatively few good players, I would crush it -- usually more than any other limit holdem pro, on average. If you put me in a game with mostly good players, I actually became -EV at some point.

I have since made some playstyle changes which seem to have changed some of this, but the bottom line is that I like my chances against what will likely be a lineup of recs and okayish LHE guys.

[Dan Druff]

Here is the last game they did (well, at least the last one I could find), from July 24.

I do recognize one good player there -- Brandon Wong, who used to play as Dirt McGirt on Stars.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/161753470

[Dan Druff]

Confirmed from the July game to play Monday:

Brandon Wong
Tony G (not the one who owned Pokernews, but a 2-5 NL regular)
Dante

Wong is from Clovis (last I heard), which isn't all that far to drive (about 175 miles), but it's also not close.

Apparently he was told about the July game by JC Tran, who is from Sac, and is a longtime friend of his. He must have liked the game if he's doing the drive to play it again.

[Flipper_Fair]

We should all gather in chat on pfa when Druff is playing.

[GambleBotsChafedPenis]

I have been told that food isn't free there, but that I might be able to get like a $20 comp from Stones to order something.

So I won't be breaking the food record, in all likelihood.

I have also learned that there are some skeptics regarding my ability to win in this game (which, honestly, I don't understand, since I have been a LHE winner at similar stakes for a long time.)

But my results have always been lineup dependent, much more than other LHE pros. Interestingly, I was often the top winner in both amount won and in BB/100 in limit holdem against the bad players. That is, I won more against the fish in the games than anyone else, and also beat the fish at a higher rate per hand. This was true on both Stars and Bodog/Bovada.

Where my results weren't nearly as good was against the top pros. I tended to lose against the good players, even ones who I otherwise beat in both money won and BB/100.

So if you put me in a game with relatively few good players, I would crush it -- usually more than any other limit holdem pro, on average. If you put me in a game with mostly good players, I actually became -EV at some point.

I have since made some playstyle changes which seem to have changed some of this, but the bottom line is that I like my chances against what will likely be a lineup of recs and okayish LHE guys.

isn't that gonna be true of almost all of you guys? I mean really if you played a million or so hands, how much edge can you possibly have over each other? I would guess it has to be pretty thin...

[Dan Druff]

I have been told that food isn't free there, but that I might be able to get like a $20 comp from Stones to order something.

So I won't be breaking the food record, in all likelihood.

I have also learned that there are some skeptics regarding my ability to win in this game (which, honestly, I don't understand, since I have been a LHE winner at similar stakes for a long time.)

But my results have always been lineup dependent, much more than other LHE pros. Interestingly, I was often the top winner in both amount won and in BB/100 in limit holdem against the bad players. That is, I won more against the fish in the games than anyone else, and also beat the fish at a higher rate per hand. This was true on both Stars and Bodog/Bovada.

Where my results weren't nearly as good was against the top pros. I tended to lose against the good players, even ones who I otherwise beat in both money won and BB/100.

So if you put me in a game with relatively few good players, I would crush it -- usually more than any other limit holdem pro, on average. If you put me in a game with mostly good players, I actually became -EV at some point.

I have since made some playstyle changes which seem to have changed some of this, but the bottom line is that I like my chances against what will likely be a lineup of recs and okayish LHE guys.

isn't that gonna be true of almost all of you guys? I mean really if you played a million or so hands, how much edge can you possibly have over each other? I would guess it has to be pretty thin...

It is thin.

For whatever reason, my style was incredibly effective against donks and semi-donks (as I said, better than just about anyone), but struggled at times against other good players.

I have changed things over the last 5 or so years to probably bridge that gap, but definitely my main talent lies in getting the maximum out of bad/mediocre players.

[Dan Druff]

If the game is anything like the one shown on July 24, I am big time +EV in it. Huge variance in a 3-4 hour game (it will play before and after, but you will only see it starting at 7 and ending at 10 or 11pm), but I would definitely be a large favorite to win in that game.

[sonatine]

do they do the delayed holecard broadcast thing like pokergo?

[simpdog]

Can we out together a food bap if it isn't comped?

[LarryLaffer]

do they do the delayed holecard broadcast thing like pokergo?

yeah it's the industry standard now.

[Dan Druff]

If all y'all want to text 775-372-8355 what the other guy(s) had in any substantial hand where I folded (or where I win and they don't show), that would be great.

Obv that would be helpful because I'm sure other dudes at the table are going to be getting the same info about me.

[WillieMcFML]

If all y'all want to text 775-372-8355 what the other guy(s) had in any substantial hand where I folded (or where I win and they don't show), that would be great.

Obv that would be helpful because I'm sure other dudes at the table are going to be getting the same info about me.

you are now guaranteed to get troll responses on what villains actually had

[Hockey Guy]

If all y'all want to text 775-372-8355 what the other guy(s) had in any substantial hand where I folded (or where I win and they don't show), that would be great.

Obv that would be helpful because I'm sure other dudes at the table are going to be getting the same info about me.

you are now guaranteed to get troll responses on what villains actually had

It's the PFA way.

[BetCheckBet]

I'm not familiar with man vs food? How can I watch it?

[LarryLaffer]

I'm not familiar with man vs food? How can I watch it?

here ya go

[BetCheckBet]

I have been told that food isn't free there, but that I might be able to get like a $20 comp from Stones to order something.

So I won't be breaking the food record, in all likelihood.

I have also learned that there are some skeptics regarding my ability to win in this game (which, honestly, I don't understand, since I have been a LHE winner at similar stakes for a long time.)

But my results have always been lineup dependent, much more than other LHE pros. Interestingly, I was often the top winner in both amount won and in BB/100 in limit holdem against the bad players. That is, I won more against the fish in the games than anyone else, and also beat the fish at a higher rate per hand. This was true on both Stars and Bodog/Bovada.

Where my results weren't nearly as good was against the top pros. I tended to lose against the good players, even ones who I otherwise beat in both money won and BB/100.

So if you put me in a game with relatively few good players, I would crush it -- usually more than any other limit holdem pro, on average. If you put me in a game with mostly good players, I actually became -EV at some point.

I have since made some playstyle changes which seem to have changed some of this, but the bottom line is that I like my chances against what will likely be a lineup of recs and okayish LHE guys.

This is interesting point. I barely play any poker nowadays but the less I play the more I start to realize that what made me so profitable was game selection. I had a great ability to immediately know when to leave the tables or even if another table was more profitable (leave a table I was making money at for an even better one). Unfortunately that skill for live poker does;t exist.

I'm not surprised Druff is goos at this as well as he has the type of mind that looks for the smallest edges in any situation always trying to maximize his advantage.

[LarryLaffer]

Comments

BetCheckBet: I only see vegas no druff

see a few posts above. They trolled LaTB about that on their live stream. Druff was never on ManVsFood.

lololol

[LarryLaffer]

I watched some of that 100-200 stream right after i watched DruffATB.....





this is a toss up. those guys in the 100-200 played a lot of hands.