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    Trip Report Seoul Poker

    So I mentioned in a thread earlier that I was going to Seoul and if by the rare chance someone was here and wanted to play to let me know.

    Well no one was here, pretty obvious and I went and played.

    Pictures will come in a couple days when I go back to china and actually can use my iphone for something other than a camera.

    First, I went to Walkerhill where they hold the APPT Seoul. The tables were really nice and there were about 4 total that they had games running on and another 2 off to the side that I think were reserved for when they had tournaments. The seats felt great, but the felt on the tables was awful. It was in great condition, but it wasn't designed for cards to properly slide or lift easily.

    I sat down at a 1000/2000 KRW (about 1/2) with about 300000 KRW. I sat and watched some hands first before actually playing to see how these guys play.

    I had heard that these guys are insane when it comes to over valuing hands and that they generally had no care or worry about the money they put in. After about a half hour I stacked one guy for 100000 KRW when I flopped a straight and he flopped nothing. We got it all in on the turn when he turned top top with AK.

    I met a couple American locals that play these games, and they make bank. The one guy is an english teacher and only makes about 3000 USD a month and he said with poker he makes about 12000 USD a month the way these guys throw away money. When I was up for a cigarette these guys were gracious enough to fill me in on all the players at the table and how they played. You know like, this guy doesn't bluff, this guy won't fold any pair, this guy over bets AK, AQ, and so on.

    One thing I noticed, these games are not for the faint of heart. It's a 1/2 game but often times there's about 200 in the pot before the flop. People will often raise to 20-25 in the 1/2 game with either nothing, or if they're a "little" better with AK, AQ, etc. Position was absolutely key in this game and if you are a tight player you really shouldn't bother playing because the game will be -EV. You'll get pushed out of pots with the best hand most times, but you can't really think about it.

    After about 7 hours of play at Walker Hill I cashed out 600000 KRW and I said this is fine and left.

    Last night I went to Seven Luck Casino at the Co-Ex and I heard this is where the action is really crazy. They only offer a 2/5 game and when I got there they were just starting one up. I bought in for 500000 KRW and the fun began. I sat next to another 2 foreigners, unfortunately to my left. These guys were also nice enough to fill me in on what the other players were like, which instantly got me to 1000000 KRW. I stayed around that point for a while. I went up and down up and down. Usually had to make some sick call downs with pocket pair with 1 or 2 over pair on the boards because it was obvious they were chasing and they were not going to lay down even if I raised.

    The two foreigners eventually left, one stacked about 2000000 KRW and the other busted when he got 2 outed on the river.

    Then, and I'll never forget this game, shit got real crazy. Two Japanese online professions, both were supernova, sat down at the table with 2000000 KRW each and kept bugging to go to 5/10. I had about 1500000 KRW at this point and I kept saying no, I didn't feel comfortable. Their one buddy in their "crew" is the Japanese guy that just took down the 5K PLO WSOP event, and both were just killing time until the main event of the WSOP. So I knew these guys were stacked. Another guy sat down at the table with 2000000 KRW, quickly stacked it off, put another 1000000 KRW and then quickly ran it up to about 8000000 KRW.

    This guy was such an action junkie. I remember one hand the guy to my left raises, and he re-raised, a guy in late position smooth called and then the guy to my left called. The flop came 234. There was a check, bet about 300000, re-raise to about 1000000, call, and call. Turn came 3. The guy to my left thinks for about a minute and then pushes about 1000000 KRW into the pot for an all in. Action Junkie instant calls. The other guy tanked for about 5 minutes before showing 65ss and folding. He was extremely pissed.

    Both players decided to expose their hands and the guy that was all in had JJ and the guy who insta called was KK. This was so sick. The guy with KK I understood his reasoning, he knew if he insta called the other guy (who he knew) would fold, but it's so sick to insta call with that hand in on that board.

    Eventually he started blind raising to about 200, and he would chunk off a lot of money for no good reason. I'd ask him if he was on an open ended straight draw when I flopped something good or had even an over pair and he'd just giggle if he did. It was so obvious what he had.

    Eventually, I hit 6000000 KRW and then took a bad beat down to 4500000 and said adios and took off. This session was about 13 hours long and it was 5am by the time I left.


    Some additional notes: The dealers are so-so at both locations.
    As I said do not play these games if you're tight.
    Everyone speaks excellent english for the most part and the ones that don't, people translate for.
    Be prepared to call light, you'll usually end up good.
    Be talkative, these people give away crazy information, and the Americans at the tables are very much willing to give you information on the other players.

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    Interesting report. How long will you be there? Sounds like just play solid tight and you can make out good.

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    This reminds me of the stories I hear about the Macau games.

    I like the huge numbers you're playing with because of the exchange rate.

    Would be cool to cash out a million, even if it's some funny money that only translates to $1,000.

    I once played on an online site that had some tables in Turkish Lira. At the time, they had just lopped off 6 zeroes from the Turkish Lira, to essentially make one New Turkish Lira = 1,000,000 old Turkish Lira. So the site was using the new Turkish Lira, which was too bad. I really wanted to play 20,000,000-40,000,000 Limit Holdem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonamoose View Post
    So I mentioned in a thread earlier that I was going to Seoul and if by the rare chance someone was here and wanted to play to let me know.

    Well no one was here, pretty obvious and I went and played.

    .
    I realize you post only when you're trying to impress but leaving the currency in Korean figures is kind of a jackass thing to do. Those numbers mean nothing to

    most I'm sure. There has to some reference or the numbers are useless.




    Typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by anonamoose View Post
    So I mentioned in a thread earlier that I was going to Seoul and if by the rare chance someone was here and wanted to play to let me know.

    Well no one was here, pretty obvious and I went and played.

    .
    I realize you post only when you're trying to impress but leaving the currency in Korean figures is kind of a jackass thing to do. Those numbers mean nothing to

    most I'm sure. There has to some reference or the numbers are useless.




    Typical.

    hurr durr hurrrrrr

     
    I sat down at a 1000/2000 KRW (about 1/2)

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    on that one hand, was the 234 flop all suited? if not, I can't believe that guy folded the nuts on the flop in such a loose game.

    edit: nvm didn't catch that the fold was on the turn with the other 3. still wow.

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    Cleaned up around another 1400 a couple weeks ago in a stop over to Seoul.

    Ticked a couple guys off and they got over aggressive. QQ vs. 10-10 holds aipf for about 200. Flopped straight flush draw with the ace high flush possibility and chunked a guy for 500-600 with a river flush (he had a lesser flush he was chasing). Also, took out some random american college kid studying abroad on a a35 flop with my aa vs a3 for another 300. Grinded from there. Bout a 5 hour session of approx $1-$2.

    Will be going again this weekend (probably play 2-5 instead of 1-2 and a $100 tourney on saturday) and more than likely will enter the APPT Seoul in March because it is the end of a contract period for me in China which makes it easy to get over there for a week (might sell some action it's about 2700 USD but I haven't decided yet).

    The interesting thing about the APPT Seoul is that Korean nationals are not allowed to play in it.

    Couple pictures from my first trip that I forgot to include a while ago:

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    Casinos are pretty small, but the staff is nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonamoose View Post
    Cleaned up around another 1400 a couple weeks ago in a stop over to Seoul.

    Ticked a couple guys off and they got over aggressive. QQ vs. 10-10 holds aipf for about 200. Flopped straight flush draw with the ace high flush possibility and chunked a guy for 500-600 with a river flush (he had a lesser flush he was chasing). Also, took out some random american college kid studying abroad on a a35 flop with my aa vs a3 for another 300. Grinded from there. Bout a 5 hour session of approx $1-$2.

    Will be going again this weekend (probably play 2-5 instead of 1-2 and a $100 tourney on saturday) and more than likely will enter the APPT Seoul in March because it is the end of a contract period for me in China which makes it easy to get over there for a week (might sell some action it's about 2700 USD but I haven't decided yet).

    The interesting thing about the APPT Seoul is that Korean nationals are not allowed to play in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by anonamoose View Post
    Cleaned up around another 1400 a couple weeks ago in a stop over to Seoul.

    Ticked a couple guys off and they got over aggressive. QQ vs. 10-10 holds aipf for about 200. Flopped straight flush draw with the ace high flush possibility and chunked a guy for 500-600 with a river flush (he had a lesser flush he was chasing). Also, took out some random american college kid studying abroad on a a35 flop with my aa vs a3 for another 300. Grinded from there. Bout a 5 hour session of approx $1-$2.

    Will be going again this weekend (probably play 2-5 instead of 1-2 and a $100 tourney on saturday) and more than likely will enter the APPT Seoul in March because it is the end of a contract period for me in China which makes it easy to get over there for a week (might sell some action it's about 2700 USD but I haven't decided yet).

    The interesting thing about the APPT Seoul is that Korean nationals are not allowed to play in it.
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    Tonight sucked. Blew through the 1400 I won last trip.

    Went to the co-ex poker room and there was a 4 hour wait so i said screw this and cabbed up to walkerhill. saw a guy at the 2/5 table that i have owned for about 2k and was ready for some 2/5. there was a wait and i crushed a 1/2 table for 500 while waiting. finally sit down to the left of the guy i was aiming for and he looks over and calls for a rack and leaves.

    i was going to leave because the table was full of extremely tight players fairly deep stacked when one of the guys from the 1/2 table i was at sat down. i should have left and went back to 1/2 but i stayed at 2/5 because he sat down which turned out to be a



    had the button with a7dd with everyone limping. flop comes 10 7 5 two diamonds. early pos bets 30, guy from 1/2 game raises to 140. i should have called but i thought a raise here might get him to fold and i knew hitting my flush would get no value. i upped it to 320 (half his stack). he tanked then pushed which i had to call. 55 vs flush draw. brick and brick. down to about 500 when i chunked off on a bluff to the same guy. rebought for 500 more and eventually lost it.

    played about 5 hours and i really wish i had just moved back to the 1/2 table because people were tossing money around there like candy. it was 230am by the time i lost the extra 500 though and just called it quits.

    haven't decided what i'm going to do tomorrow. might do some sightseeing, but there's a 100 deepstack tomorrow at walkerhill that i may go to. i wanted to go to the dmz but you need to reserve a tour a month in advanced it seems.

    quick rating of walkerhill:

    service: 3/5 - it's okish. you get free pizza and water which you can help yourself to. they also will give cash game players up to 10 bucks back for a taxi.
    table: 2/5 - it has really sticky felt. it's really hard to pick your cards up to muck them or even to slide them.
    seats: 4/5 - pretty comfortable for poker seats
    games: 3/5 - a lot of regulars at this place. there are also a lot of regulars that are a lot of fish which if you don't make stupid decisions like i did tonight, you'll make bank. biggest issue is the 10% rake up to 15 bucks, but that's standard in asian casinos.

    overall i like walkerhill. i feel like a lot of people that visit (from what i've read) prefer it as well. i only wish i was staying at the w seoul or sheraton walkerhill hotels because the casino is right there and they are really nice hotels. however, both were fully booked this weekend so i settled for the intercontinental co-ex because it's right next to the co-ex casino.

    the co-ex casino was about the same with the table being rated a little higher itself from what i remember the one time i played there. i don't believe they run tournaments and their smallest limit is 2/5. from what i understand walkerhill will occasionally run plo (i haven't seen it yet), and the co-ex casino will only run nlhe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonamoose View Post
    So I mentioned in a thread earlier that I was going to Seoul and if by the rare chance someone was here and wanted to play to let me know.

    Well no one was here, pretty obvious and I went and played.

    Pictures will come in a couple days when I go back to china and actually can use my iphone for something other than a camera.

    First, I went to Walkerhill where they hold the APPT Seoul. The tables were really nice and there were about 4 total that they had games running on and another 2 off to the side that I think were reserved for when they had tournaments. The seats felt great, but the felt on the tables was awful. It was in great condition, but it wasn't designed for cards to properly slide or lift easily.

    I sat down at a 1000/2000 KRW (about 1/2) with about 300000 KRW. I sat and watched some hands first before actually playing to see how these guys play.

    I had heard that these guys are insane when it comes to over valuing hands and that they generally had no care or worry about the money they put in. After about a half hour I stacked one guy for 100000 KRW when I flopped a straight and he flopped nothing. We got it all in on the turn when he turned top top with AK.

    I met a couple American locals that play these games, and they make bank. The one guy is an english teacher and only makes about 3000 USD a month and he said with poker he makes about 12000 USD a month the way these guys throw away money. When I was up for a cigarette these guys were gracious enough to fill me in on all the players at the table and how they played. You know like, this guy doesn't bluff, this guy won't fold any pair, this guy over bets AK, AQ, and so on.

    One thing I noticed, these games are not for the faint of heart. It's a 1/2 game but often times there's about 200 in the pot before the flop. People will often raise to 20-25 in the 1/2 game with either nothing, or if they're a "little" better with AK, AQ, etc. Position was absolutely key in this game and if you are a tight player you really shouldn't bother playing because the game will be -EV. You'll get pushed out of pots with the best hand most times, but you can't really think about it.

    After about 7 hours of play at Walker Hill I cashed out 600000 KRW and I said this is fine and left.

    Last night I went to Seven Luck Casino at the Co-Ex and I heard this is where the action is really crazy. They only offer a 2/5 game and when I got there they were just starting one up. I bought in for 500000 KRW and the fun began. I sat next to another 2 foreigners, unfortunately to my left. These guys were also nice enough to fill me in on what the other players were like, which instantly got me to 1000000 KRW. I stayed around that point for a while. I went up and down up and down. Usually had to make some sick call downs with pocket pair with 1 or 2 over pair on the boards because it was obvious they were chasing and they were not going to lay down even if I raised.

    The two foreigners eventually left, one stacked about 2000000 KRW and the other busted when he got 2 outed on the river.

    Then, and I'll never forget this game, shit got real crazy. Two Japanese online professions, both were supernova, sat down at the table with 2000000 KRW each and kept bugging to go to 5/10. I had about 1500000 KRW at this point and I kept saying no, I didn't feel comfortable. Their one buddy in their "crew" is the Japanese guy that just took down the 5K PLO WSOP event, and both were just killing time until the main event of the WSOP. So I knew these guys were stacked. Another guy sat down at the table with 2000000 KRW, quickly stacked it off, put another 1000000 KRW and then quickly ran it up to about 8000000 KRW.

    This guy was such an action junkie. I remember one hand the guy to my left raises, and he re-raised, a guy in late position smooth called and then the guy to my left called. The flop came 234. There was a check, bet about 300000, re-raise to about 1000000, call, and call. Turn came 3. The guy to my left thinks for about a minute and then pushes about 1000000 KRW into the pot for an all in. Action Junkie instant calls. The other guy tanked for about 5 minutes before showing 65ss and folding. He was extremely pissed.

    Both players decided to expose their hands and the guy that was all in had JJ and the guy who insta called was KK. This was so sick. The guy with KK I understood his reasoning, he knew if he insta called the other guy (who he knew) would fold, but it's so sick to insta call with that hand in on that board.

    Eventually he started blind raising to about 200, and he would chunk off a lot of money for no good reason. I'd ask him if he was on an open ended straight draw when I flopped something good or had even an over pair and he'd just giggle if he did. It was so obvious what he had.

    Eventually, I hit 6000000 KRW and then took a bad beat down to 4500000 and said adios and took off. This session was about 13 hours long and it was 5am by the time I left.


    Some additional notes: The dealers are so-so at both locations.
    As I said do not play these games if you're tight.
    Everyone speaks excellent english for the most part and the ones that don't, people translate for.
    Be prepared to call light, you'll usually end up good.
    Be talkative, these people give away crazy information, and the Americans at the tables are very much willing to give you information on the other players.
    I think you mean Supernova Elite. I was Supernova in like 5 weeks.

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    Interesting trip report.

    2 things.

    You keep saying not to play if you are tight. I've always used the word tight to mean hand selection was tight. Your range is narrow, etc. That says nothing about whether you will be pushed out of pots.

    If the rake is 10% capped at $15 @ 1/2 then I am under the belief playing tight is better. All that extra rake makes marginal hands -EV. If you are the better player at the table and there is no rake, then you can get by playing a lot more hands. With high rake you play fewer hands because the marginal hands just aren't as profitable.

    There are other considerations I'm not mentioning... but.. this is my belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkdowndonedied View Post
    Interesting trip report.

    2 things.

    You keep saying not to play if you are tight. I've always used the word tight to mean hand selection was tight. Your range is narrow, etc. That says nothing about whether you will be pushed out of pots.

    If the rake is 10% capped at $15 @ 1/2 then I am under the belief playing tight is better. All that extra rake makes marginal hands -EV. If you are the better player at the table and there is no rake, then you can get by playing a lot more hands. With high rake you play fewer hands because the marginal hands just aren't as profitable.

    There are other considerations I'm not mentioning... but.. this is my belief.
    a lot of the guys i watch play tight at these places get chipped down to nothing. they might buy in at 500, make tight folds down to about 100-200 then double up. i never see any of them make a profit and it's because you can't playing like (with the exception of the 2/5 table i played last night). if you're playing tight and you got ak suited and you raise it up you might get your raise bumped 10x with air with someone calling with air between you and that reraise and you're going to make that fold every time if you're playing tight but in reality you're making a bad lay down.

    playing tight is going to lose you a lot of money.

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