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    Possible Atlantic City / NYC trip. Need some help

    I'm looking in to going to a pizza industry convention / competition in Atlantic City in October. The convention is only a couple of days so thought I'd bring the wife and spend some time in Manhattan. She wants to see some Broadway plays. I guess we would fly into Philly. What's the best way to get to Atlantic City from there? Rent a car, UBER, shuttle service? Then what's the best way getting to Manhattan? I dont want to drive in New York. If I switch it up and go to New York first is it better to fly into JFK or La Guardia? Recommendations on where to stay in Manhattan? Places to eat? Keep in mind I'm not Cmoney but want to stay in a nice place.

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    I believe car service from PHL to AC is in the $200 range. I'd suggest just renting at car in PHL if you're in a rush and/or the type of person who wants very few variables when they get off a plane. There are casino shuttles from PHL as well but its way too easy to see those take a 60-90 minute drive and somehow tack on another 60-90 minutes of standing around waiting for more passengers.

    Amtrak from PHL to AC is actually a really great option, its $11'ish and 90 minutes. I think a cab ride from PHL to the Amtrak station is around $25.

    LGA to Penn Station is going to run you like $40-60 in cab fair and $65'ish for the same 90 minute Amtrak trip to AC, but if its going to save you a transfer to PHL at some point, I'm rolling with that all day.
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    also can we do 5 pages on how terrible philly is as an airport a city and a motherfucking town

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutmaster View Post
    I'm looking in to going to a pizza industry convention / competition in Atlantic City in October. The convention is only a couple of days so thought I'd bring the wife and spend some time in Manhattan. She wants to see some Broadway plays. I guess we would fly into Philly. What's the best way to get to Atlantic City from there? Rent a car, UBER, shuttle service? Then what's the best way getting to Manhattan? I dont want to drive in New York. If I switch it up and go to New York first is it better to fly into JFK or La Guardia? Recommendations on where to stay in Manhattan? Places to eat? Keep in mind I'm not Cmoney but want to stay in a nice place.

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    Simplest way might be:

    Fly to Newark
    Rent car
    Take Turnpike to AC
    Return car to Newark
    Take Taxi to Manhattan

    Most affordable will probably be a combination of trains and/or shuttles

    For navigating NYC staying in Midtown/Broadway areas is probably the easiest. Remember NYC hotels tend to be older so rooms are smaller.

    If you want to go full out, get a room at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square with a view.

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    I would use hotels tonight or booking. com and book a midtown hotel last minute.. good rates in NYC if you wait last minute on hotels. weekends obv more expensive but still deals can be found

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    Take the train. Either Amtrak or the New Jersey Transit. Takes about 1 and a half hours and is affordable and comfortable. Just don't look outside though, unless you are into seeing deserted shantytowns, rivers of sludge, and warehouses
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    Your best bet is to rent a car. Fly into Philadelphia and rent a car to AC. Now AC is an enormous dump, I am quite surprised your pizza convention elected to have it there. I mean I get it, you have casinos and the boardwalk but it could be very cold there in October and rainy. I just have always hated Atlantic City so I am biased, but I generally hate run down tourist traps. Plus its unsafe at night so stay in the casino after dark.

    So when you leave AC head up to the Turnpike and make your way to Manhattan. You can get the Double Tree in Times Square for under $300 a night most nights. Just park your car for the 2-3 days you are there and cab it. You'll pay $50 a day, but its not worth it to drive the city and just cab it. I always fly in and out of La Guardia. They really modernized the airport the last few years. JFK is just too big, I prefer smaller airports.

    For restaurants, you can check out Quality Meats, its a cool place in a trendy area. Really upscale head to Smith an Wollensky (get the Veal Chop or NY Strip, naturally you will start of your meal with some Florida Stone Crabs and a high end bottle of Cab, I generally do not get out of there under $500 for 2 people, but that is me).

    Lunch, I am not a huge burger guy, but I have been here several times and great burgers, JGMelon. Great atmosphere, good booze and beer:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Hordell View Post
    Your best bet is to rent a car. Fly into Philadelphia and rent a car to AC. Now AC is an enormous dump, I am quite surprised your pizza convention elected to have it there. I mean I get it, you have casinos and the boardwalk but it could be very cold there in October and rainy. I just have always hated Atlantic City so I am biased, but I generally hate run down tourist traps. Plus its unsafe at night so stay in the casino after dark.

    So when you leave AC head up to the Turnpike and make your way to Manhattan. You can get the Double Tree in Times Square for under $300 a night most nights. Just park your car for the 2-3 days you are there and cab it. You'll pay $50 a day, but its not worth it to drive the city and just cab it. I always fly in and out of La Guardia. They really modernized the airport the last few years. JFK is just too big, I prefer smaller airports.

    For restaurants, you can check out Quality Meats, its a cool place in a trendy area. Really upscale head to Smith an Wollensky (get the Veal Chop or NY Strip, naturally you will start of your meal with some Florida Stone Crabs and a high end bottle of Cab, I generally do not get out of there under $500 for 2 people, but that is me).

    Lunch, I am not a huge burger guy, but I have been here several times and great burgers, JGMelon. Great atmosphere, good booze and beer:

    Better yet return the rental car at EWR and take the train into the city. Saves days of rental fee and parking in the city.

    Also in AC stay at the borgata and don't even go outside. If the convention is elsewhere, either stay there (if not shitty) or at borgata and drive between them without going anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    I believe car service from PHL to AC is in the $200 range. I'd suggest just renting at car in PHL if you're in a rush and/or the type of person who wants very few variables when they get off a plane. There are casino shuttles from PHL as well but its way too easy to see those take a 60-90 minute drive and somehow tack on another 60-90 minutes of standing around waiting for more passengers.

    Amtrak from PHL to AC is actually a really great option, its $11'ish and 90 minutes. I think a cab ride from PHL to the Amtrak station is around $25.

    LGA to Penn Station is going to run you like $40-60 in cab fair and $65'ish for the same 90 minute Amtrak trip to AC, but if its going to save you a transfer to PHL at some point, I'm rolling with that all day.

    uhhhhhhhhhh what are you talking about? If there were a train like this it would be used far more often... train from penn to AC will be min 3-4 hours, IF you are lucky and like 1-2 transfers and cost like $150 each way.

    Not sure how long it has been since you lived in nyc or around the area but you have been throwing out some shitty and highly incorrect information every time it is brought up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by handicapme View Post
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    I believe car service from PHL to AC is in the $200 range. I'd suggest just renting at car in PHL if you're in a rush and/or the type of person who wants very few variables when they get off a plane. There are casino shuttles from PHL as well but its way too easy to see those take a 60-90 minute drive and somehow tack on another 60-90 minutes of standing around waiting for more passengers.

    Amtrak from PHL to AC is actually a really great option, its $11'ish and 90 minutes. I think a cab ride from PHL to the Amtrak station is around $25.

    LGA to Penn Station is going to run you like $40-60 in cab fair and $65'ish for the same 90 minute Amtrak trip to AC, but if its going to save you a transfer to PHL at some point, I'm rolling with that all day.

    uhhhhhhhhhh what are you talking about? If there were a train like this it would be used far more often... train from penn to AC will be min 3-4 hours, IF you are lucky and like 1-2 transfers and cost like $150 each way.

    Not sure how long it has been since you lived in nyc or around the area but you have been throwing out some shitty and highly incorrect information every time it is brought up.

    my mistake, its 90 minutes to phili then another 90 to AC.


    thats cool tho that you somehow managed to turn that into a weird personal issue with me. thats not creepy at all and definitely isnt soaked in emotional problems.
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    uhhhhhhhhhh what are you talking about? If there were a train like this it would be used far more often... train from penn to AC will be min 3-4 hours, IF you are lucky and like 1-2 transfers and cost like $150 each way.

    Not sure how long it has been since you lived in nyc or around the area but you have been throwing out some shitty and highly incorrect information every time it is brought up.

    my mistake, its 90 minutes to phili then another 90 to AC.


    thats cool tho that you somehow managed to turn that into a weird personal issue with me. thats not creepy at all and definitely isnt soaked in emotional problems.
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    I just did a similar trip, but in reverse.

    Fly to Philadelphia, rent a car, drive to AC. Then drive it to Manhattan and return it there. You will be stuck paying some crappy one way return fee, but shop around and you'll find one that isn't too bad. You might even find a place which will drive you in Manhattan from where you return it to your hotel.

    I have stayed at the Marriott Marquis twice, and was happy with both stays.

    If you are a Marriott Gold or above, you might be able to talk them into an upgraded room for free. I got a double upgrade and scored a large suite on the top floor for $342/night, which was one of the best hotel deals I've ever had. Location of the hotel is great -- center Times Square. Parking is like $95/day, though, so obv ditch the car before getting there.

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    uhhhhhhhhhh what are you talking about? If there were a train like this it would be used far more often... train from penn to AC will be min 3-4 hours, IF you are lucky and like 1-2 transfers and cost like $150 each way.

    Not sure how long it has been since you lived in nyc or around the area but you have been throwing out some shitty and highly incorrect information every time it is brought up.

    my mistake, its 90 minutes to phili then another 90 to AC.


    thats cool tho that you somehow managed to turn that into a weird personal issue with me. thats not creepy at all and definitely isnt soaked in emotional problems.
    Huh?? You know I'm a fan of yours and don't have an issue with you at all man. All I'm trying to say is that you have been giving "advice" regarding NY that has been really off spot... don't be mad, just take it as constructive criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by handicapme View Post
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    my mistake, its 90 minutes to phili then another 90 to AC.


    thats cool tho that you somehow managed to turn that into a weird personal issue with me. thats not creepy at all and definitely isnt soaked in emotional problems.
    Huh?? You know I'm a fan of yours and don't have an issue with you at all man. All I'm trying to say is that you have been giving "advice" regarding NY that has been really off spot... don't be mad, just take it as constructive criticism.

    the only other perspective on nyc ive had that youve taken exception with is the assertion that one can live like a grownup there on $20 an hour pre-tax, if i recall correctly. and the core of my argument was there was absolutely no acceptable life for an adult to live in NY on $20 an hour, and you, like so many other people who seem to have a big percent of their personality branded around "I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT NEW YORK", responded with some smarmy lecture about how anyone can make $20 an hour happen in new york as long as youre willing to set up shop in someones hall closet and eat nothing you didnt buy at an asian supermarket etc etc.

    i consider my advice sound on that spot, im sorry but i just do. and in this case obviously i misread the amtrak.com page which showed the 90 minutes to PHL transfer, while i clearly missed the second leg to AC. anyone not looking to be a prick would have simply pointed that out, n'est pas?

    in the early 80s i was wandering around soho pissing into art gallery door mail slots so its aggravating to be lectured about 'the real ny' by someone whom i strongly suspect wasnt even born by the time the first starbucks went up in alphabet city.

    if you want to call bullshit on my definition of 'adult life', thats open season, all day. but telling me my advice is not sound beyond that is nothing but needling, from where im sitting.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    Huh?? You know I'm a fan of yours and don't have an issue with you at all man. All I'm trying to say is that you have been giving "advice" regarding NY that has been really off spot... don't be mad, just take it as constructive criticism.

    the only other perspective on nyc ive had that youve taken exception with is the assertion that one can live like a grownup there on $20 an hour pre-tax, if i recall correctly. and the core of my argument was there was absolutely no acceptable life for an adult to live in NY on $20 an hour, and you, like so many other people who seem to have a big percent of their personality branded around "I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT NEW YORK", responded with some smarmy lecture about how anyone can make $20 an hour happen in new york as long as youre willing to set up shop in someones hall closet and eat nothing you didnt buy at an asian supermarket etc etc.

    i consider my advice sound on that spot, im sorry but i just do. and in this case obviously i misread the amtrak.com page which showed the 90 minutes to PHL transfer, while i clearly missed the second leg to AC. anyone not looking to be a prick would have simply pointed that out, n'est pas?

    in the early 80s i was wandering around soho pissing into art gallery door mail slots so its aggravating to be lectured about 'the real ny' by someone whom i strongly suspect wasnt even born by the time the first starbucks went up in alphabet city.

    if you want to call bullshit on my definition of 'adult life', thats open season, all day. but telling me my advice is not sound beyond that is nothing but needling, from where im sitting.
    I do agree with Sonatine on being able to live on $20 a month in New York City. Maybe if you are a college student packed into a room with 5 others, that might have some charm because you are young and don't know any better. But anything over the age of 25, living with multiple dudes in an efficiency sharing one bathroom has to be akin to sharing a prison cell.

    But lets analyze this a little further. Lets say you are making $20 a hour, which is $800 week or $3,200 a month. You would not being paying federal taxes, but you probably would be paying some type of local and state taxes. So lets say your take home is $750 which is now $3,000 a month. Let's say you are willing to live in Brooklyn or Queens with 2 other dudes in a two bedroom. I am being generous here, but lets say your monthly nut (rent, heat, internet, trash and cable) is $1,200. Now you have $1,800 a month to live on, or $450 a week. Forget AC in the summer on that type of budget you are opening windows.

    Transportation is going to run $100 a week. Then you have food/life supplies is going to be $100 a week. You are going to have to allocate $50 a week for clothes (new clothes, laundry, dry cleaning, shoes, etc...).

    So basically you have $200 a week to enjoy life in New York City. So technically this could be done, but you would have no life. One night out would eat up the $200, so going out would be a monthly event, not a weekly event. Forget dating on that type of budget, impossible. Every time you stopped anywhere for lunch, coffee, a couple beers you are eating into the $200. If you were not careful you would mow through your $200 by Tuesday and that would be three long days until payday.This assumes nothing unplanned every happens in your life which requires a few hundred bucks.

    I believe going home every night to basically watch TV with two other dudes would drive anyone to insanity. Alcohol (cheap alcohol) would be an escape. Fights would inevitably break out and in a few months somebody in the apartment would just walk out making the place not affordable. You'd be forced to break your lease which would severely impact your ability to rent elsewhere. Homelessness is a real possibility, or living in a weekly motel in Jersey City.

    So while technically you could live on $20 per hour in NYC, it would be incredibly stressful and it would be a miserable experience watching everyone around you having a good time and you are home every night with three dudes fighting over the remote control. Bad idea to take a risk like that over the age of 25.

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    the only other perspective on nyc ive had that youve taken exception with is the assertion that one can live like a grownup there on $20 an hour pre-tax, if i recall correctly. and the core of my argument was there was absolutely no acceptable life for an adult to live in NY on $20 an hour, and you, like so many other people who seem to have a big percent of their personality branded around "I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT NEW YORK", responded with some smarmy lecture about how anyone can make $20 an hour happen in new york as long as youre willing to set up shop in someones hall closet and eat nothing you didnt buy at an asian supermarket etc etc.

    i consider my advice sound on that spot, im sorry but i just do. and in this case obviously i misread the amtrak.com page which showed the 90 minutes to PHL transfer, while i clearly missed the second leg to AC. anyone not looking to be a prick would have simply pointed that out, n'est pas?

    in the early 80s i was wandering around soho pissing into art gallery door mail slots so its aggravating to be lectured about 'the real ny' by someone whom i strongly suspect wasnt even born by the time the first starbucks went up in alphabet city.

    if you want to call bullshit on my definition of 'adult life', thats open season, all day. but telling me my advice is not sound beyond that is nothing but needling, from where im sitting.
    I do agree with Sonatine on being able to live on $20 a month in New York City. Maybe if you are a college student packed into a room with 5 others, that might have some charm because you are young and don't know any better. But anything over the age of 25, living with multiple dudes in an efficiency sharing one bathroom has to be akin to sharing a prison cell.

    But lets analyze this a little further. Lets say you are making $20 a hour, which is $800 week or $3,200 a month. You would not being paying federal taxes, but you probably would be paying some type of local and state taxes. So lets say your take home is $750 which is now $3,000 a month. Let's say you are willing to live in Brooklyn or Queens with 2 other dudes in a two bedroom. I am being generous here, but lets say your monthly nut (rent, heat, internet, trash and cable) is $1,200. Now you have $1,800 a month to live on, or $450 a week. Forget AC in the summer on that type of budget you are opening windows.

    Transportation is going to run $100 a week. Then you have food/life supplies is going to be $100 a week. You are going to have to allocate $50 a week for clothes (new clothes, laundry, dry cleaning, shoes, etc...).

    So basically you have $200 a week to enjoy life in New York City. So technically this could be done, but you would have no life. One night out would eat up the $200, so going out would be a monthly event, not a weekly event. Forget dating on that type of budget, impossible. Every time you stopped anywhere for lunch, coffee, a couple beers you are eating into the $200. If you were not careful you would mow through your $200 by Tuesday and that would be three long days until payday.This assumes nothing unplanned every happens in your life which requires a few hundred bucks.

    I believe going home every night to basically watch TV with two other dudes would drive anyone to insanity. Alcohol (cheap alcohol) would be an escape. Fights would inevitably break out and in a few months somebody in the apartment would just walk out making the place not affordable. You'd be forced to break your lease which would severely impact your ability to rent elsewhere. Homelessness is a real possibility, or living in a weekly motel in Jersey City.

    So while technically you could live on $20 per hour in NYC, it would be incredibly stressful and it would be a miserable experience watching everyone around you having a good time and you are home every night with three dudes fighting over the remote control. Bad idea to take a risk like that over the age of 25.
    yeah these numbers are not far from the mark imo.


    just to sketch out my perspective on what $20 an hour gets you, and lets even assume its cash under the table, and lets even ignore that cmoney is offering 30 hours a week and bump it to 40 for the sake of a focusing on the theme, not the specifics:


    $20 a day * 8 = $160 a day = 800 a week = 3200 a month

    which at face value is not chump change.

    lets assume that you dont want to spend time on like, the path train 2x a day during rush hour, so youre focusing on the bronx, brooklyn, and queens, maybe inwood, fuck it. once you scrape away the obvious ripoffs, death traps, and shooting galleries, realistically you can expect to pay $900 to $1400 a month. and because larry doesnt have tits and literally has no proof of income because its all under the table, hes not going to get lucky, so lets just call it $1200 a month which is insanely kind and move on.

    $1200 (2000 cash reserve)

    monthly expenses:
    $80 cell phone
    $75 his portion of the gas/electric bill
    $75 his portion of internet/cable bill

    $1430 (1770 cash reserve)

    every single day, larry has to commute. thats $2.75 each way. so thats $110 a month.

    $1540 (1660 cash reserve)

    larry has to eat. lets assume he cooks his own breakfast and dinner and cops a slice of pizza and a soda every single day. realistically thats $250 a month in groceries if he's unbelievably disciplined and only shops at chinatown markets, and another $150 in lunches.

    $1940 (1260 cash reserve)

    laundry, as mentioned, is a reality so we are talking $10 a week or $40 a month.

    $1980 (1220 cash reserve)

    seems totally doable! ...except:

    now we get to the part where all of this goes to shit; real life.

    once a week, larry wants more than a PB&J sandwich and glass of water for dinner, so he gets a meal delivered:

    $30 * 4 = $120

    once a week, larry's roomates invite him to go out to a local bar, and because none of them are cmoney, larry has to pay for his own drinks:

    $40 * 4 = $160

    once a month, larry goes to a show:

    $20 entrance, $40 drinks = $60

    larry starts dating a fat receptionist from Minnesota who knew she was destined to move to NYC within 5 minutes of watching Sex In The City:

    dinner ($60)/drinks($40)/cab to her place ($25) and home from her place ($25) because larry doesnt want her to see how he lives: 4 times a month = $600

    and twice a month he's hung over and realizes he needs to take a cab or uber to work because cmoney doesnt want to hear any bullshit about how he ended up 2 hours late because a homeless man pushed an old lady onto the tracks: $60

    one six pack a week: $10 * 4 = $40

    another six pack a week because his upstairs neighbors wear high heels on a wood floor and his downstairs neighbor just had a screaming puerto rican baby: $10 * 4 = $40

    1/4 oz of weed a month because of course: $100

    and the coup de grace...

    1 cup of coffee from starbucks, 5x a week * 4 weeks: $60

    at this point, larry is $20 deeper in debt every single month of his life, and deciding which of the above he has to do without to "survive".

    he literally cant even afford to kill himself with dignity, hes going to have to open a vein with a blade from one of his roommates disposable razors or find a roof he can jump off of.

    maybe that works for some people, honestly ive had stretches where i survived with much less, but by no means did i consider it any sort of adult life, even at the time.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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