I think 5, 5 minute rounds of punching, kicking, grappling, takedowns, submission attempts, etc. is pretty comparable to 12 rounds in boxing. But 12 rounds against Mayweather is different, because you spend so much time and energy trying to find him and hit him. It takes a lot of energy out of you to keep missing with punches.Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
Once Conor gets tired, I really think Floyd is going to hurt him with a body shot.
This whole show is a fucking circus.
It is an exhibition fight that means nothing and is being put on only to make money.
It will only end in disqualification against McGregor.
After this fight, McGregor will make his debut as a runaway model.
Want to see a real fight?
Wait until September 16th 2017.
Gennady "GGG" Golovkin will knockout Canelo Álvarez in Las Vegas.
If Mayweather fought GGG he would get his ass knocked out.
Jesus christ. I'd hope Floyd would "get his ass knocked out" against GGG.
This whole show is a fucking circus.
It is an exhibition fight that means nothing and is being put on only to make money.
It will only end in disqualification against McGregor.
After this fight, McGregor will make his debut as a runaway model.
Want to see a real fight?
Wait until September 16th 2017.
Gennady "GGG" Golovkin will knockout Canelo Álvarez in Las Vegas.
If Mayweather fought GGG he would get his ass knocked out.
40 years old, in what would be his 6th weight class. GGG hasn't fought anyone with a pulse, and has only fought at 160.
He was scared to even mention Ward's name. Ward had to go up and get Kovalev because GGG didn't want it.
Canelo by decision.
Ay bro. I bet GGG would get his ass knocked out if he fought Anthony Joshua.
Fucking retard logic.
Yeah a 5 round MMA fight is gruelling, but he didn't gas after 5 rounds of grappling, takedowns, submission attempts, etc. He gassed badly in the 2nd then noticeably slowed down in the 3rd round & basically held on to a decision victory for the final 2 rounds in what were basically striking/boxing matches against Diaz so I don't see how he's possibly going 12 rounds against Mayweather. I just can't see him improving his stamina to that point & these were in fights where he didn't have to contend with any significant weight cut.I think 5, 5 minute rounds of punching, kicking, grappling, takedowns, submission attempts, etc. is pretty comparable to 12 rounds in boxing. But 12 rounds against Mayweather is different, because you spend so much time and energy trying to find him and hit him. It takes a lot of energy out of you to keep missing with punches.
Once Conor gets tired, I really think Floyd is going to hurt him with a body shot.
Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I don't recall any significant grappling moments in the second fight & there were none in the first fight until the finish.
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It's not that crazy. Mayweather faught at 154. I agree though, that GGG is a giant compared to Mayweather and there is no comparison since Mayweather walks around at 145 -160 all year and GGG walks around at 175 - 185. GGG has boxed with some good boxers, but most of the big names have ducked him for years. Glad Canelo finally stood up unlike Cotto and others.
GGG should put on 10 pounds and fight Ward. That would also be fun to watch.... a fight I believe Ward would win.
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It is kind of crazy when you consider that Mayweather at 154 is his 5th weight class. I'm not even a huge Mayweather fan, I just always end up defending him, because people put unrealistic expectations on him, because they want to see him lose.
It's not that crazy. Mayweather faught at 154. I agree though, that GGG is a giant compared to Mayweather and there is no comparison since Mayweather walks around at 145 -160 all year and GGG walks around at 175 - 185. GGG has boxed with some good boxers, but most of the big names have ducked him for years. Glad Canelo finally stood up unlike Cotto and others.
GGG should put on 10 pounds and fight Ward. That would also be fun to watch.... a fight I believe Ward would win.
What if we say "ok, GGG needs to come down to 147 to fight Mayweather" ? People would say it's ridiculous. He's way too small for 160. No one should be calling for that fight. But they should (as you said) expect GGG to go up and fight Ward, if he beats Canelo.
I believe Conor has a suspect gas tank and Floyd will fight a few rounds very safe then take over and get Conor out of there mid to later rounds. I haven't checked the odds, any line on whether Conor wins a round or not? I believe based on ring generalship Conor may sneak a round out early when Floyd fights safe with little offensive output. I still think he's a dog to win a round but depending on the line might be worth a bet.
For the past 22 years I've regularly trained in Muay Thai, boxing and some MMA work and it's a world of difference for cardio. Throwing even a leg kick is far more taxing than punches, standing clinch work is also exhausting. I still think Conor will have cardio issues but you can't compare boxing to MMA. A 5 minute MMA conditioning round is a nightmare to get through while it's fucking hard to gas just throwing punches.
Conor threw a lot of kicks and they clinched up a ton, that shit is hard work. Conor is also very explosive and puts a lot into all his strikes. With the bigger gloves, no kicks, no clinch work and an assumption that Conor won't put everything behind every shot (he might given a lack of boxing experience) he should show a lot better cardio in boxing than he does in MMA. Will it be enough to get through 12 rounds? I highly doubt it but it shouldn't go to shit in round 2 or 3 like we've seen in MMA.Yeah a 5 round MMA fight is gruelling, but he didn't gas after 5 rounds of grappling, takedowns, submission attempts, etc. He gassed badly in the 2nd then noticeably slowed down in the 3rd round & basically held on to a decision victory for the final 2 rounds in what were basically striking/boxing matches against Diaz so I don't see how he's possibly going 12 rounds against Mayweather. I just can't see him improving his stamina to that point & these were in fights where he didn't have to contend with any significant weight cut.
Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I don't recall any significant grappling moments in the second fight & there were none in the first fight until the finish.
One weird thing though, Conor in some of his earlier MMA fights seemed to show pretty solid cardio. He looked good despite being injured for all 3 rounds vs Max Halloway. I think his desire to get the KO causes him to throw too hard and blow his wad early.
Fuck it. UFC isn't gonna get more fans if Conor wins. Every knuckle head already watches. Boxing will get more fans though if a guy not even known for knockouts destroys him. And even worse if Conor beats him is fringe boxing fans that like UFC equally will now be turned off from boxing. All that will be left is JMM and Rocky Balboa. The money people can not afford to not have the boxing guy win this. And the quicker the better IMO.
Also I have outs because of the whole "dude not even from this sport is fighting the best" thing. In case that matters.
687 Mayweather knocks down McGregor round 1 +800
1099 Mayweather wins in round 1 +2000
737 Mayweather wins in first 60 seconds +4000
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I think you're throwing money away betting on anything interesting from Mayweather in round one. He's gonna defense up and look to wear McGregor out.
The odds I took reflect your sentiment. I won't be shocked if I'm wrong. My bet is solely on there being a puppet master and for that puppet master to think its best the boxer wins... FAST. Huge boost for boxing and UFC takes it in stride. A long grueling fight is almost like the MMA guy winning. To be clear I got most of this information on vision quest (drive to get cigarettes)
Bet $ 500.00 to win $ 10,000.00
Result: Pending
McGregor vs Mayweather - Pick the Rnd (12 Full Rds=Loss)
01 Round Mayweather Wins
08/26/17 23:05 EDT
20/1
BALLLLLLLIN. I've got nothing like that down. Hopefully by before the fight I will. At least also bet the Mayweather under 3 rounds as well. Would suck to be right but not right enough.
It'll be tough for boxing if Mayweather loses. The very best boxer in the world, against a guy with no pro boxing experience. MMA fans would never shut up. And rightfully so. There's absolutely no reason for Mayweather to lose. Even at 40 with a 2 year layoff. Conor is off a....fucking forever layoff, in a pro boxing ring.
UFC wins either way. Conor making it 12 rounds is the next best thing to winning. Making it 10 rounds would be something worth bragging about. If he loses? Well, no shit. If he finds gold and lands a knock out punch, stick a fork in it. Boxing may not recover.
Thankfully Canelo/GGG is around the corner.
Yeah, we're on the same page here. I don't think he gasses in a couple rounds but highly doubt he has the stamina to go 12 or even 9 or 10 "just" boxing. I think carrying around an extra 6oz on his hands is gonna be a bigger factor, stamina & speed wise, than many think too.Conor threw a lot of kicks and they clinched up a ton, that shit is hard work. Conor is also very explosive and puts a lot into all his strikes. With the bigger gloves, no kicks, no clinch work and an assumption that Conor won't put everything behind every shot (he might given a lack of boxing experience) he should show a lot better cardio in boxing than he does in MMA. Will it be enough to get through 12 rounds? I highly doubt it but it shouldn't go to shit in round 2 or 3 like we've seen in MMA.
One weird thing though, Conor in some of his earlier MMA fights seemed to show pretty solid cardio. He looked good despite being injured for all 3 rounds vs Max Halloway. I think his desire to get the KO causes him to throw too hard and blow his wad early.
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those 'conor has great cardio' fights were, coincidentally im sure, pre USADA.
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Good point as well. I think McGregor has less of a chance than anyone thinks, it might be close to no chance. Jorge Masvidal talked about the level difference between the top MMA strikers and boxers. He said even very good amateur boxers mop the top MMA strikers up in training when it's just straight boxing. Masvidal did say that early on in sparring the MMA fighter can clip the boxer because of the awkwardness but once the boxers get the timing it's not even close.
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