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    Congress trying to further control peopls ability to carry/hold cash and crypto currencies

    The title of the bill submitted the end of May was “Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017"

    The gist of the bill is even if you dare travel with large sums of cash or have a large amount of Crypto must be reported to the IRS (how dare you not keep your money in our banks so we can control you mentaility).

    Problem is this bill goes beyond even common sense to include anything prepaid including prepaid debit cards, hell prepaid cellular service.. Anything you dare pay for in cash could now be reported to the Federal Govt because you dare use cash so they cant track you..

    from the article:

    This one is almost too ridiculous to believe.
    Recently a new bill was introduced on the floor of the US Senate entitled, pleasantly,
    “Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017.”
    You can probably already guess its contents.
    Cash is evil.
    Bitcoin is evil.
    Now they’ve gone so far to include prepaid mobile phones, retail gift vouchers, or even electronic coupons. Evil, evil, and evil.
    These people are certifiably insane.
    Among the bill’s sweeping provisions, the government aims to greatly extend its authority to seize your assets through “Civil Asset Forfeiture”.
    Civil Asset Forfeiture rules allow the government to take whatever they want from you, without a trial or any due process.
    This new bill adds a laundry list of offenses for which they can legally seize your assets… all of which pertain to money laundering and other financial crimes.
    Here’s the thing, though: they’ve also vastly expanded on the definition of such ‘financial crimes’, including failure to fill out a form if you happen to be transporting more than $10,000 worth of ‘monetary instruments’.
    Have too much cash? You’d better tell the government.
    If not, they’re authorizing themselves in this bill to seize not just the money you didn’t report, but ALL of your assets and bank accounts.
    They even go so far as to specifically name “safety deposit boxes” among the various assets that they can seize if you don’t fill out the form.
    (Yet another reason to consider storing cash, gold, and silver in an overseassafety deposit box.)
    This is unbelievable on so many levels.
    It’s crazy to begin with that these people are so consumed by the fact that someone has $10,000 in cash.
    But it’s even crazier that they’re threatening to take EVERYTHING that you own merely for not filling out a piece of paper, without any due process whatsoever.
    Oh, and on top of civil asset forfeiture penalties, there are also criminal penalties.
    Right now according to current law they can imprison you for up to FIVE YEARS for not filling out the form. Five years.
    But apparently that doesn’t go far enough to protect us against evil men in caves.
    So this bill aims to double the criminal penalty to TEN years in prison.
    And if that weren’t enough, this bill also gives them with new authority to engage in surveillance and wiretapping (including phone, email, etc.) if they have even a hint of suspicion that you might be transporting excess ‘monetary instruments’.
    Usually wiretapping authority is reserved for major crimes like kidnapping, human trafficking, felony fraud, etc.
    Now we can add cash to that list.
    It’s not just government spy agencies to worry about, either.
    Banks in the US are already unpaid government spies, required by law to fill out suspicious activity reports on their customers.
    Then Congress started expanding those requirements to include other businesses and industries that might come into contact with cash.
    Stock brokers. Casinos. Currency exchanges. Precious metals dealers. Pawnbrokers. The Post Office.
    According to the law (section 5312 of US Code Title 31), those industries are also required to spy on their customers for the government.
    But under this new bill, they want to forcibly recruit even more unpaid spies, including any business which issues or redeems ANYTHING that’s prepaid.
    Prepaid credit cards. Prepaid phones. Prepaid retail gift cards. Prepaid coupons.
    So, Amazon.com, which issues and redeems prepaid gift cards, will be required under this bill to file reports to the government.
    For that matter, TGI Fridays and Chuckee Cheese will also become unpaid government spies since they both issue and redeem prepaid vouchers.
    Truly these Senators have figured out how to strike at the heart of ISIS.
    Further, their bill wants to pull any business which “issues” cryptocurrency under the anti-money laundering regulatory umbrella.
    Here’s where these people demonstrate that they have no idea what they’re talking about.
    No one “issues” Bitcoin. There’s no Bitcoin central bank. There’s no Chairman of Bitcoin who decides on a whim to increase the supply.
    Bitcoin is created automatically amounts that are pre-determined by its code. It’s software.
    So the Senate is essentially trying to force the Bitcoin core software to comply with money laundering regulations.
    How pathetically clueless.
    The bill also attempts to drop a major bomb on Bitcoin by including it in the list of monetary instruments that must be reported when entering or leaving the US.
    So theoretically if you leave the US with more than $10,000 in Bitcoin or Ether, you’d have to confess this fact to the authorities or otherwise face the aforementioned penalties, i.e. prison time, civil asset forfeiture, etc.
    HOORAY FREEDOM!
    As you can see, this bill criminalizes or delegitimizes the most mundane and harmless financial activities, all under the guise of keeping us safe.
    Of course nothing in this bill is about keeping people safe.
    ISIS couldn’t care less about forms and penalties.
    This bill is nothing more than another weapon in their ongoing War on Cash… and now cryptocurrency too."

    Here's hoping this shit goes nowhere but I'm afraid if we don't speak up the govt is going to continue to fuck the public.. The fact expanding the potential abuse of civil forfeiture is a dangerous thing and it opens up the possibility of inadvertent violations and abuse by the government looking for money to cover their ridiculous expenditures..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftpjesus View Post
    The title of the bill submitted the end of May was “Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017"

    The gist of the bill is even if you dare travel with large sums of cash or have a large amount of Crypto must be reported to the IRS (how dare you not keep your money in our banks so we can control you mentaility).

    Problem is this bill goes beyond even common sense to include anything prepaid including prepaid debit cards, hell prepaid cellular service.. Anything you dare pay for in cash could now be reported to the Federal Govt because you dare use cash so they cant track you..

    from the article:

    This one is almost too ridiculous to believe.
    Recently a new bill was introduced on the floor of the US Senate entitled, pleasantly,
    “Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017.”
    You can probably already guess its contents.
    Cash is evil.
    Bitcoin is evil.
    Now they’ve gone so far to include prepaid mobile phones, retail gift vouchers, or even electronic coupons. Evil, evil, and evil.
    These people are certifiably insane.
    Among the bill’s sweeping provisions, the government aims to greatly extend its authority to seize your assets through “Civil Asset Forfeiture”.
    Civil Asset Forfeiture rules allow the government to take whatever they want from you, without a trial or any due process.
    This new bill adds a laundry list of offenses for which they can legally seize your assets… all of which pertain to money laundering and other financial crimes.
    Here’s the thing, though: they’ve also vastly expanded on the definition of such ‘financial crimes’, including failure to fill out a form if you happen to be transporting more than $10,000 worth of ‘monetary instruments’.
    Have too much cash? You’d better tell the government.
    If not, they’re authorizing themselves in this bill to seize not just the money you didn’t report, but ALL of your assets and bank accounts.
    They even go so far as to specifically name “safety deposit boxes” among the various assets that they can seize if you don’t fill out the form.
    (Yet another reason to consider storing cash, gold, and silver in an overseassafety deposit box.)
    This is unbelievable on so many levels.
    It’s crazy to begin with that these people are so consumed by the fact that someone has $10,000 in cash.
    But it’s even crazier that they’re threatening to take EVERYTHING that you own merely for not filling out a piece of paper, without any due process whatsoever.
    Oh, and on top of civil asset forfeiture penalties, there are also criminal penalties.
    Right now according to current law they can imprison you for up to FIVE YEARS for not filling out the form. Five years.
    But apparently that doesn’t go far enough to protect us against evil men in caves.
    So this bill aims to double the criminal penalty to TEN years in prison.
    And if that weren’t enough, this bill also gives them with new authority to engage in surveillance and wiretapping (including phone, email, etc.) if they have even a hint of suspicion that you might be transporting excess ‘monetary instruments’.
    Usually wiretapping authority is reserved for major crimes like kidnapping, human trafficking, felony fraud, etc.
    Now we can add cash to that list.
    It’s not just government spy agencies to worry about, either.
    Banks in the US are already unpaid government spies, required by law to fill out suspicious activity reports on their customers.
    Then Congress started expanding those requirements to include other businesses and industries that might come into contact with cash.
    Stock brokers. Casinos. Currency exchanges. Precious metals dealers. Pawnbrokers. The Post Office.
    According to the law (section 5312 of US Code Title 31), those industries are also required to spy on their customers for the government.
    But under this new bill, they want to forcibly recruit even more unpaid spies, including any business which issues or redeems ANYTHING that’s prepaid.
    Prepaid credit cards. Prepaid phones. Prepaid retail gift cards. Prepaid coupons.
    So, Amazon.com, which issues and redeems prepaid gift cards, will be required under this bill to file reports to the government.
    For that matter, TGI Fridays and Chuckee Cheese will also become unpaid government spies since they both issue and redeem prepaid vouchers.
    Truly these Senators have figured out how to strike at the heart of ISIS.
    Further, their bill wants to pull any business which “issues” cryptocurrency under the anti-money laundering regulatory umbrella.
    Here’s where these people demonstrate that they have no idea what they’re talking about.
    No one “issues” Bitcoin. There’s no Bitcoin central bank. There’s no Chairman of Bitcoin who decides on a whim to increase the supply.
    Bitcoin is created automatically amounts that are pre-determined by its code. It’s software.
    So the Senate is essentially trying to force the Bitcoin core software to comply with money laundering regulations.
    How pathetically clueless.
    The bill also attempts to drop a major bomb on Bitcoin by including it in the list of monetary instruments that must be reported when entering or leaving the US.
    So theoretically if you leave the US with more than $10,000 in Bitcoin or Ether, you’d have to confess this fact to the authorities or otherwise face the aforementioned penalties, i.e. prison time, civil asset forfeiture, etc.
    HOORAY FREEDOM!
    As you can see, this bill criminalizes or delegitimizes the most mundane and harmless financial activities, all under the guise of keeping us safe.
    Of course nothing in this bill is about keeping people safe.
    ISIS couldn’t care less about forms and penalties.
    This bill is nothing more than another weapon in their ongoing War on Cash… and now cryptocurrency too."

    Here's hoping this shit goes nowhere but I'm afraid if we don't speak up the govt is going to continue to fuck the public.. The fact expanding the potential abuse of civil forfeiture is a dangerous thing and it opens up the possibility of inadvertent violations and abuse by the government looking for money to cover their ridiculous expenditures..
    TLDR?
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Yawn gotta protect that dolla lol . . .

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    COMBATING MONEY LAUNDERING, TERRORIST FINANCING, AND COUNTERFEITING ACT OF 2017

    Senators Chuck Grassley and Dianne Feinstein


    Our legislation modernizes and strengthens criminal money laundering statutes by:

    • Increasing the penalties for bulk cash smuggling, a commonly used method of transporting
    illegal proceeds between the United States and Mexico.

    • Ensuring that criminals cannot evade the law that prohibits transactions in criminally derived
    property either by commingling criminal proceeds with clean money or by structuring
    transactions to evade the $10,000 statutory threshold.

    • Modernizing the prohibitions against illegal money services businesses, entities used to send
    criminal proceeds and other funds abroad to facilitate criminal activity.

    • Restoring the effectiveness of the concealment money laundering statute as a tool to combat
    the transportation of crime proceeds across the border by clarifying that a defendant need not
    know the purpose and plan behind the transportation.

    • Allowing the government to apply for a restraining order to temporarily freeze the bank
    accounts of defendants arrested for offenses involving the movement of funds in or out of the
    United States.

    • Ensuring that money laundering laws apply to hawalas and other informal value transfer
    systems used by drug traffickers and terrorists.

    • Restoring wiretapping authority to investigate currency reporting, bulk cash smuggling,
    illegal money services businesses, and counterfeiting offenses.

    • Establishing a new money laundering violation that prohibits the transfer funds into or out of
    the United States with the intent to violate U.S. income tax laws.

    • Updating counterfeiting laws to prohibit state-of-the-art counterfeiting methods.

    • Revising anti-money laundering requirements to include prepaid access devices, such as
    stored value cards, which are effective mediums to move funds across the border.

    • Strengthening existing laws that allow U.S. law enforcement to obtain foreign bank records
    by subpoenaing banks in the United States with which the foreign bank has a correspondent
    account.

    • Filling gaps in the law by creating two new offenses that criminalize knowingly concealing,
    falsifying or misrepresenting important information concerning ownership or control of an
    account or assets held in an account, to a financial institution.




    Good luck enforcing that bill. I seriously doubt that it would pass the House or Senate.

    Sending a message to...Senators Chuck Grassley and Dianne Feinstein.

    FUCK YOU!!!!



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    Gotta love those Iowa Republicans. UIGEA was Safe Port Bill and Jim Leach from Iowa iirc. Always cloaking control under patriotic names

     
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    Simmer down jewlips. I just meant the patriotic names is kind of a GOP theme. They always do that. Dems would have called it the Currency Accounting and Tracking Act or some shit. Control is definitely in both their wheelhouses.

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    the fact that we are shifting towards a 'cashless' society should be fairly obvious by now

    but honestly, I don't see it happening for at least another 30-40 years

    def heading in that direction though

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    Can't say I like this.

    Way too intrusive.

    I actually don't mind some parts of the bill, but it overreaches.

    We see what happens when bills about seizure overreach. It eventually morphs into local government seizure scams such as "equitable sharing" and "civil forfeiture".

    No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Can't say I like this.

    Way too intrusive.

    I actually don't mind some parts of the bill, but it overreaches.

    We see what happens when bills about seizure overreach. It eventually morphs into local government seizure scams such as "equitable sharing" and "civil forfeiture".

    No thanks.
    This gov't is so far in the hole these things are just going to be more and more mainstream. I saw Illinois got downgraded to junk lulz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Can't say I like this.

    Way too intrusive.

    I actually don't mind some parts of the bill, but it overreaches.

    We see what happens when bills about seizure overreach. It eventually morphs into local government seizure scams such as "equitable sharing" and "civil forfeiture".

    No thanks.
    Agree, especially about the seizure part. You never get it back even if you are cleared. It's blatant thuggery, a bigger kid stealing lunch money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Can't say I like this.

    Way too intrusive.

    I actually don't mind some parts of the bill, but it overreaches.

    We see what happens when bills about seizure overreach. It eventually morphs into local government seizure scams such as "equitable sharing" and "civil forfeiture".

    No thanks.
    This gov't is so far in the hole these things are just going to be more and more mainstream. I saw Illinois got downgraded to junk lulz

    our shitheel Governor is running us into the ground.
    "Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryLaffer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post

    This gov't is so far in the hole these things are just going to be more and more mainstream. I saw Illinois got downgraded to junk lulz

    our shitheel Governor is running us into the ground.

    Years of #libtard control is what ran your state in the ground. Funny as hell though, Commifornia will follow soon too lulz
    Last edited by sah_24; 06-17-2017 at 06:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LarryLaffer View Post


    our shitheel Governor is running us into the ground.

    Years of #libtard control is ran your state in the ground. Funny as hell though, Commifornia will follow soon too lulz
    California's economy and budget are in great shape thanks to Governor Moonbeam.

     
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