London fire. What the fuck?

[Belly Buster]

From what I understand the biggest issue was there were no sprinklers in the building. Theres a reason why every building 3 floors or more has to have sprinklers in the USA.. I'm not even sure they have those requirements now in London to be honest but truth is once a fire gets going in a highrise its like fighting a fire inside a fucking chimney speaking from personal experience..Worse unlike many situations where you can surround and drown its impossible when you're dealing with a building that tall.. even the biggest fire ladder trucks with water cannons don't go higher then 125' which would've been less then half the height of this structure.. The fact that loss of life was relatively minimal is amazing considering how bad some of these have been in the past..

Sprinklers are mandatory in new high-rise buildings in the UK. This tower was built in 1974 when no such regulation existed. There is no requirement to retrofit sprinklers into older buildings.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Oh god I would buy this man endless beers before inviting him to make love to my birds arse.

FiremanMick

What a lad

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[Lord of the Fraud]

Apparently only 6 died, which is horrific but I expected a 0 at the end of that number at least based on the pictures/videos I saw last night.

Really gotta hand it to Britains emergency responders, they pretty much nailed their jobs as much as one conceivably good.

Current body count officially stands at 17. But the common consensus is that there is likely another 100 bodies still up there.

Will be at least a week or two before we get the final count.

Whole building is still a standing death trap for anyone entering.

[MrTickle]

Apparently only 6 died, which is horrific but I expected a 0 at the end of that number at least based on the pictures/videos I saw last night.

Really gotta hand it to Britains emergency responders, they pretty much nailed their jobs as much as one conceivably good.

Current body count officially stands at 17. But the common consensus is that there is likely another 100 bodies still up there.

Will be at least a week or two before we get the final count.

Whole building is still a standing death trap for anyone entering.

Be closer to 100 than 17 by the time this is done. Whole families missing.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Current body count officially stands at 17. But the common consensus is that there is likely another 100 bodies still up there.

Will be at least a week or two before we get the final count.

Whole building is still a standing death trap for anyone entering.

Be closer to 100 than 17 by the time this is done. Whole families missing.

Well Lily Allen who lives by those flats and was at the scene about 2 hours before I even started this thread, has just been on the news saying there's 150 dead (50 kids) and the authorities and media are hiding the fact due to fear of civil unrest.

The blame for this runs right to the top and i'm not sure they'll be able to contain & cover up this one.

[Wiganer]

Be closer to 100 than 17 by the time this is done. Whole families missing.

Well Lily Allen who lives by those flats and was at the scene about 2 hours before I even started this thread, has just been on the news saying there's 150 dead (50 kids) and the authorities and media are hiding the fact due to fear of civil unrest.

The blame for this runs right to the top and i'm not sure they'll be able to contain & cover up this one.

If this had happened 3 weeks ago, Corbyn would be prime minister. The Tories are walking a tightrope now, let's hope it hangs them.

[Belly Buster]

Well Lily Allen who lives by those flats and was at the scene about 2 hours before I even started this thread, has just been on the news saying there's 150 dead (50 kids) and the authorities and media are hiding the fact due to fear of civil unrest.

The blame for this runs right to the top and i'm not sure they'll be able to contain & cover up this one.

If this had happened 3 weeks ago, Corbyn would be prime minister. The Tories are walking a tightrope now, let's hope it hangs them.

Tragic, yes. Conspiracy, no.

I don't see how a very unfortunate situation like this can be pinned on central government.

My hunch is that the building contractors that put the tinderbox Styrofoam cladding on the outside of building will be the fall guys here. Possible also National Grid Gas as they were doing work on the gas mains in the tower at the time.

[Lord of the Fraud]

If this had happened 3 weeks ago, Corbyn would be prime minister. The Tories are walking a tightrope now, let's hope it hangs them.

Tragic, yes. Conspiracy, no.

I don't see how a very unfortunate situation like this can be pinned on central government.

My hunch is that the building contractors that put the tinderbox Styrofoam cladding on the outside of building will be the fall guys here. Possible also National Grid Gas as they were doing work on the gas mains in the tower at the time.

Conspiracy is the police and fire officers on the ground are saying (off record) that well over 100 bodies have been counted, but the authorities are sticking to only 17 dead, with more feared.

Clearly they're waiting for tensions to come down a notch or two before coming clean. And that might sound logical, but it isn't right... Actually its FAR from right.


And yes i've no doubt the contactors will be put firmly in the firing line, with help from the Daily Mail & Sun. But that tower block was contracted out by the local council to a private firm, who then done everything on the cheap for greater profit.

The residents have been screaming at the council and landlord that this exact nightmare was going to happen, and they got told to stfu.

Councils have a budget yes. But MP's asked the Tory government to for extra funds to make housing like this safer. But Tories voted against.

So 'legally' the buck won't stop at the top. But those residents and Londoners in general won't give a fuck about legality after they've been constantly shit on from above.

If they don't quickly start seeing some accountability and straight answers. Then I can see all those surrounding multi-million pound houses (1,399 of them empty) being burnt to the ground. Kensington will resemble a war zone. Bit like Brixton did.

[MrTickle]

Was shopping on Portobello Road this afternoon and could see the tower from the market. Dreadful. Went down to the tower to take a look and it's really unbelievable. So many people giving out food and water, really heartwarming.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Local residents hold a touching memorial to the victims of the Grenfell Fire.